How are we to explain these "miracles?"

[PsychoSarah]

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When the woman with a young child approach me and a friend, as as she presented her babies deformed arm, and asked to pray that his arm would become normal, you are telling me and my friend we were dreaming.

Then when I prayed to Him Who is Above to heal the childs arm, and then before mine and my friends eyes the little arm grew in length and was made normal and whole, you think it was all in our mind.

Without being there you have no way to say real ir false, other than if you have deep doubt that God exists, and deep doubts about Miracles still happening, then you would express doubt, such as you have.

You have an issue with doubt towards Power on High. What will it take to overcome it? Are you ready for Him to show you He is?

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What if it was sorcery though? God may make miracles, but that doesn't mean god did that. Like the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden, what tells you that "miracle" wasn't just a curse in disguise?

 

[Kylie]

You are deep in doubt. You state "I maintain that we NEVER see God's Power manifested over the natural in Today's society". Such are your words from your experience, and experiences from many you have been around.

Not just my experience. There has never been an instance of any supernatural activity that is well documented and has proven to not have a rational explanation.

"Claim, claim, nothing but claims, with no support" you state.

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But the witness of people empty handed and full of doubt DOES NOT TRANSFER. There are many who possess what you do not have. What they have is a product from Him on High. They witnessed what multitudes have not. I would call that "more precious than all the gold in the world in value". Yep, that is what He gives, and it's value.

And how do you know that what they have experienced is actually the work of a god and not the result of something natural that they just don't understand and attribute to a god?

I realized this when I was first Baptized by His Spirit...<<SNIP>>...You are going to be greatly surprised at Him on High, and His ways.

May God give you grace in your days ahead.

Yeah, I don't need the advertising and if you are going to dismiss my personal experience, then I'm going to dismiss yours too.

 

[Kylie]

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When the woman with a young child approach me and a friend, as as she presented her babies deformed arm, and asked to pray that his arm would become normal, you are telling me and my friend we were dreaming.

Then when I prayed to Him Who is Above to heal the childs arm, and then before mine and my friends eyes the little arm grew in length and was made normal and whole, you think it was all in our mind.

Without being there you have no way to say real ir false, other than if you have deep doubt that God exists, and deep doubts about Miracles still happening, then you would express doubt, such as you have.

You have an issue with doubt towards Power on High. What will it take to overcome it? Are you ready for Him to show you He is?

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What was the name of the child? Show me the medical records that document this. Are there any before and after photos? Is there anything at all apart from your word that this ever actually happened?

 

[stevevw]

What was the name of the child? Show me the medical records that document this. Are there any before and after photos? Is there anything at all apart from your word that this ever actually happened?

Being Australian you should be familiar with the story of Kathleen Evans. She had stage 4 terminal lung cancer which had spread to her brain and had weeks to live. Her church prayed for her and she was cured. The cancer which was at the stage of spreading through her body with her lungs completely cancerous disappears. Not a slight small cancer but a large spread through her body completely gone within weeks of her and the churches prayers. This wasn't one of those cases where there may have been a misdiagnosis or it was a small disease that may have just got better with some healthy living. The doctors had no explanation and were baffled as to how this could have happened. This was the 2nd miracle attributed to Mary MacKillop's was accepted by the Vatican to make Mary a saint.
Australian Story :: Mary And Me

 

[Heissonear]

What was the name of the child? Show me the medical records that document this. Are there any before and after photos? Is there anything at all apart from your word that this ever actually happened?

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As Steve has responded, there are Miracles documented. But there are Miracles not documented.

Either way those with doubt in heart - about God at times demonstrating Ruling over the natural - what will remove their doubts? Do you think physical facts would resolve your wonder if there is Power on High, and He still works miracles among us? I say no. What occurs from on High is spontaneous - and it is the firsthand witnessing of this Power Above the natural that it would take to remove your doubts.

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[PsychoSarah]

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As Steve has responded, there are Miracles documented. But there are Miracles not documented.

Either way those with doubt in heart - about God at times demonstrating Ruling over the natural - what will remove their doubts? Do you think physical facts would resolve your wonder if there is Power on High, and He still works miracles among us? I say no. What occurs from on High is spontaneous - and it is the firsthand witnessing of this Power Above the natural that it would take to remove your doubts.

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You really just want to keep that miracle to yourself, don't you? One would think that saving possibly hundreds of souls would be considered more important than the privacy of one family.

 

[Heissonear]

You really just want to keep that miracle to yourself, don't you? One would think that saving possibly hundreds of souls would be considered more important than the privacy of one family.

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Sarah, that is all the Miracle was, to a select group.

Three witnessed the Power which transformed the deformed arm, and then their were the relatives and close friends that knew a Miracle took place when they seen that deformed arm was now normal.

Miracles will continue to happen. He will continue to demonstrate His Creative Power from on High among us.

Are you ready to be changed by Him. Pray to Him. He hears every word we say and watches everything we do. Pray that you do not want to miss Him in this life. Depend upon Him, earnestly.

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[quatona]

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Sarah, that is all the Miracle was, to a select group.

...yet you don´t get tired of using it when talking to us.

 

[quatona]

For a supernaturalist, there should be at least three different categories of amazing events:
a. events that are amazing but have a perfectly natural explanation,
b. events brought to us by illusionists,
c. miracles.

I would like to learn how Heissonear and his likes manage to distinguish between the three.

 

[Heissonear]

...yet you don´t get tired of using it when talking to us.

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This one miracle proves Naturalism is error.

You did not get in on this one but how about those that will occur in the future?

He hears every word we say and watches everything we do, even since we were young. He will hear your prayer. He will respond to them if they are pure words.

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[Heissonear]

For a supernaturalist, there should be at least three different categories of amazing events:
a. events that are amazing but have a perfectly natural explanation,
b. events brought to us by illusionists,
c. miracles.

I would like to learn how Heissonear and his likes manage to distinguish between the three.

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Then you should answer these:

1. How did a small severely deformed arm lengthen over twice its size and become normal over the course of time of about eight seconds?

2. What HAD TO occur, biologically and physically to the arm?

3. Were cells and other biological materials Created?

What is yours and others explanation to these specifics?

 

[Nithavela]

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Then you should answer these:

1. How did a small severely deformed arm lengthen over twice its size and become normal over the course of time of about eight seconds?

2. What HAD TO occur, biologically and physically to the arm?

3. Were cells and other biological materials Created?

What is yours and others explanation to these specifics?

You are lying.

 

[bhsmte]

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Then you should answer these:

1. How did a small severely deformed arm lengthen over twice its size and become normal over the course of time of about eight seconds?

2. What HAD TO occur, biologically and physically to the arm?

3. Were cells and other biological materials Created?

What is yours and others explanation to these specifics?

Why should anyone believe this happened?

 

[Heissonear]

You are lying.

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The easy way out - where you do not need to discard your view of Naturalism: your upside down world is still upright because of your persistent belief in Naturalism and dispelling what is happening around you.
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[Heissonear]

Why should anyone believe this happened?

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God selected the ones who should witness the reality of this Miracle.

Those who realize firsthand that the study of natural sciences does not lead to proof there is or there is not a God, they then, like me in the past, investigate if God exists through searching other domains. They become open minded to know if He is. In earnestness they do not want to miss Him if He exists.

To the closed minded they lock their door to investigating Him. Now and in the future they deride anything that shows there Naturalistic world view is error . They know only one Miracle will prove Naturalism is error.

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[bhsmte]

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God selected the ones who should witness the reality of this Miracle.

Those who realize firsthand that the study of natural sciences does not lead to proof there is or there is not a God, they then, like me in the past, investigate if God exists through searching other domains. They become open minded to know if He is. In earnestness they do not want to miss Him if He exists.

To the closed minded they lock their door to investigating Him. Now and in the future they deride anything that shows there Naturalistic world view is error . They know only one Miracle will prove Naturalism is error.

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Then God plays favorites and does not align with an all loving, all caring God for all his creation. All you get, is more contradictions to reconcile of how Christians describe God and are back to square one; no objective evidence to support your claims.

 

[Nithavela]

So we should believe that God chose you because you are obviously better than us because God chose you?

 

[Heissonear]

Then God plays favorites and does not align with an all loving, all caring God for all his creation. All you get, is more contradictions to reconcile of how Christians describe God and are back to square one; no objective evidence to support your claims.

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You are trying to enter the Kingdom of God through your head rather than being Born Again through His Spirit.

And you are trying to determine who God is and state how He is without even meeting Him, even experiencing His Power from on High. For someone who only knows of natural, earthly power and processes, what do they know about Him on High?

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[quatona]

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Then you should answer these:

1. How did a small severely deformed arm lengthen over twice its size and become normal over the course of time of about eight seconds?

2. What HAD TO occur, biologically and physically to the arm?

3. Were cells and other biological materials Created?

What is yours and others explanation to these specifics?

No, I definitely should not answer these, because I am not the one making any claim concerning the explanation. If this indeed happened, I am entirely clueless how it could possibly be explained (which, by the way, is often also the case when I see illusionists at work). So I asked for your help, in your role as the self-professed elected expert with special abilities.
I have been asking for your epistemology regarding unusual/unexplained/amazing events. You are the self-professed expert with a self-professed exclusive status in these matters, while I have no idea how to do that.
I asked you.
So it´s not me who should answer the question. I was the one to ask it from an expert, after all.
Also, I wasn´t asking about one specific event. I asked for the method by which you, the elected expert, tell unusual, amazing natural events (und you do have refused to acknowledge such as miracles before) from miracles.

So, to make it easier for you:
We have the story of the miracle of the 15 guys who were late to a rehearsal (from which this thread started). Was that a miracle? How do you, as the elected expert on the matter, tell?

Besides, it´s not my job to explain extraordinary events that a stranger on the internet claims have happened without being willing to provide data. If you cannot or don´t want to provide anything that lends your story more credence than that of a troll, a charlatan, a liar or loony, well, then that´s bad luck for you: You expect a gullibility from me that you certainly wouldn´t recommend to your children.

 

[Heissonear]

So we should believe that God chose you because you are obviously better than us because God chose you?

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Do you seek to know Him? Or are you trying to rationalize things about Him?

As mentioned earlier, in the future Miracles from on High will continue to happen. Are you making any effort to be one He includes? He is watching and listening to you every moment.

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