How are we to explain these "miracles?"

[bhsmte]

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When someone teaches you about something you have no clue about why call this preaching instead of teaching or educating.

Is there something wrong with educating someone in ignorance?

Have YOU witnessed the Heavens rule over the natural? If you haven't and someone has, on this forum can the one who has present matters against those in unbelief and persistently promote Naturalism, their position where there is no need for a god or the supernatural to explain every event that happening on earth?

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Go ahead and teach us, with evidence for your claims.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Go ahead and teach us, with evidence for your claims.

... or not.

 

[quatona]

I think what you will likely get, is more preaching, for even doubting his claims.

Then again, chances are that I will not only get no objective response but no response at all. Wouldn´t be the first time.

 

[Heissonear]

Now, that´s a thrilling report! Could you give us some details? In which way and to what degree was the child´s arm deformed? How much length was missing (e.g. compared to the other arm)? How much length did it grow? How much time did the process take? Where and when did this take place? What was the situation? Was it just some child on the street, or was there something significant in the setting that made you (and/or other witnesses) expect the arm to grow? Etc. etc. All details and information are extremely welcome!

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If you have not witnessed a true display of the Heavens Ruling over the natural, are you certain you are asking the right questions?

If you have been in obvious unbelief about God over the past several years, how will your unbelief be removed?

Those are questions to consider in things I will present about the miracle He let me a witness.

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The basic pre-tanglbles: the child was about 1 years old; carried in the mothers arms as she approached me and a friend of mine (from church). My friend did not believe God healed people any more, since the days of the apostles. I knew of God healing people through hearing from other friends but had never firsthand experienced such work of God nor doubted such still occurs. As the mother approached she looked distressed. She presented to us the child's deformed arm, which appeared to be half its normal size. She asked that we would pray for her childs arm, that God would heal it. Under circumstances leading to this point and during the moment I felt concerned and motivated to pray that the arm be made normal.

The miracle: upon praying, looking at the deformed arm, it started to grow in length and character, and over a period of about 8 seconds was changed, made whole and normal like the other arm. After about the first 4 seconds I asked my friend if he was looking at what was happening, since he was located slightly behind me. He acknowledged he was watching.

The basic post-tangibles: the mother weep and praised God. My friend and I were acutely aware God showed up and we had witnessed His Power. Within me an acute thought came of all the people who doubt that God exists, being totally unaware of how He at times and select situations displays Himself through the manifestation of supernatural healing.

My friend knew God showed up in no uncertain way and confessed God still heals. When, where and why we confessed we did not know, but He chose at this moment in time to display healing from on High.

The mother was rejoicing as she walked away. I was sure those close to her were going to be amazed at the healed child's arm. No doubt, amazed.

Now, this was before a select few, and for a select few to firsthand witness. The residual evidence my friend and I carried away was "in heart". It was not so much the change in the physical arm as it was the Power over the frail natural that STOOD OUT! We witnessed Him demonstrate His Power, and how He knew exactly what to do and DID IT.


It has been through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and Spiritually Dynamic events like this miracle that makes me confront Naturalists and unbelievers on this forum as being blind to Him on High, His existence, and His Kingdom of Power in our midst, regardless of what "proof" they state that there is no God, that God is a product of past religions and ignorant, superstitious, and imaginary of diluted people. I easily see past their ignorance, and let them know about there error.

You could ask a host of more questions. However, this is the basics of what happened. You will need to understand why you want "details". It relates to what it will take to remove the unbelief you have. Let me say, it is not the tangible physical "facts" that roots Spiritual unbelief: it is witnessing Him. The requirement is you must seek Him to find Him. And through seeking Him in in humbleness. He resists the proud, those who can do without Him. What else will clear your doubt, questions, and all the more keeping you from Him? The Baptism of the Holy Spirit should be the first clear apprehension you will experience that He is on High and letting you clearly know, as only He can do, that He is.

May God bless your days ahead.

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[quatona]

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If you have not witnessed a true display of the Heavens Ruling over the natural, are you certain you are asking the right questions?

Well, I am asking the questions that interest me. I don´t know what you mean by "the right questions". "Right" - for which particular purposes, for which preconceived goals?

If you have been in obvious unbelief about God over the past several years, how will your unbelief be removed?

I was asking just a couple of objective questions. Everything else (particularly the idea that this is about keeping or removing beliefs or unbeliefs) must be projections on your part.

The basic pre-tanglbles: the child was about 1 years old; .[...] She presented to us the child's deformed arm, which appeared to be half its normal size. She asked that we would pray for her childs arm, that God would heal it.[...]

upon praying, looking at the deformed arm, it started to grow in length and character, and over a period of about 8 seconds was changed, made whole and normal like the other arm.

Thanks for answering my questions.
(I deleted the parts that weren´t answers to my questions, and I bolded the part in which you - in thankful honesty - signified your reminscence as being less than objective: "appeared to be").
Now, you don´t happen to have any names, any supporting sources etc.? Just asking - since such an exceptional, sensational event can be expected to have made it to the news (where I don´t recall finding it). After all, it would have - according to your reasoning - finally settled the long discussed question whether a God exists or not.
You know, not that I personally doubt your observations - but (not even knowing you in person) I wouldn´t dare to appeal to your expertise and authority in discussions with die-hard naturalists. These guys seem to be pretty demanding and - in my experience - don´t tend to take "yeah, but some Heissonear guy on the internet said so" for compelling evidence. You know how these naturalists are...
I´m not as skeptical and paranoid as they are; I do take any claim made on the internet for real. It would be pretty presumptious to consider the possibility that anonymous guys on the internet aren´t telling the truth, wouldn´t it? I mean, that would be almost like calling them liars. I really don´t understand how my buddies can be that suspecting.
Do you have any advice how I could possibly convince them?

 

[bhsmte]

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If you have not witnessed a true display of the Heavens Ruling over the natural, are you certain you are asking the right questions?

If you have been in obvious unbelief about God over the past several years, how will your unbelief be removed?

Those are questions to consider in things I will present about the miracle He let me a witness.

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The basic pre-tanglbles: the child was about 1 years old; carried in the mothers arms as she approached me and a friend of mine (from church). My friend did not believe God healed people any more, since the days of the apostles. I knew of God healing people through hearing from other friends but had never firsthand experienced such work of God nor doubted such still occurs. As the mother approached she looked distressed. She presented to us the child's deformed arm, which appeared to be half its normal size. She asked that we would pray for her childs arm, that God would heal it. Under circumstances leading to this point and during the moment I felt concerned and motivated to pray that the arm be made normal.

The miracle: upon praying, looking at the deformed arm, it started to grow in length and character, and over a period of about 8 seconds was changed, made whole and normal like the other arm. After about the first 4 seconds I asked my friend if he was looking at what was happening, since he was located slightly behind me. He acknowledged he was watching.

The basic post-tangibles: the mother weep and praised God. My friend and I were acutely aware God showed up and we had witnessed His Power. Within me an acute thought came of all the people who doubt that God exists, being totally unaware of how He at times and select situations displays Himself through the manifestation of supernatural healing.

My friend knew God showed up in no uncertain way and confessed God still heals. When, where and why we confessed we did not know, but He chose at this moment in time to display healing from on High.

The mother was rejoicing as she walked away. I was sure those close to her were going to be amazed at the healed child's arm. No doubt, amazed.

Now, this was before a select few, and for a select few to firsthand witness. The residual evidence my friend and I carried away was "in heart". It was not so much the change in the physical arm as it was the Power over the frail natural that STOOD OUT! We witnessed Him demonstrate His Power, and how He knew exactly what to do and DID IT.


It has been through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and Spiritually Dynamic events like this miracle that makes me confront Naturalists and unbelievers on this forum as being blind to Him on High, His existence, and His Kingdom of Power in our midst, regardless of what "proof" they state that there is no God, that God is a product of past religions and ignorant, superstitious, and imaginary of diluted people. I easily see past their ignorance, and let them know about there error.

You could ask a host of more questions. However, this is the basics of what happened. You will need to understand why you want "details". It relates to what it will take to remove the unbelief you have. Let me say, it is not the tangible physical "facts" that roots Spiritual unbelief: it is witnessing Him. The requirement is you must seek Him to find Him. And through seeking Him in in humbleness. He resists the proud, those who can do without Him. What else will clear your doubt, questions, and all the more keeping you from Him? The Baptism of the Holy Spirit should be the first clear apprehension you will experience that He is on High and letting you clearly know, as only He can do, that He is.

May God bless your days ahead.

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Did this child that was one year old have any exposure to a doctor (or any medical professional) that ever saw the half developed arm and then the fully grown arm later? If so, that doctor would have taken this development and done something with it. Surely, the child had many people witness they had a partially formed limb and later it became fully grown. Pardon the pun, but this story would have grown legs quickly and would have been widely reported.

 

[Heissonear]

Did this child that was one year old have any exposure to a doctor (or any medical professional) that ever saw the half developed arm and then the fully grown arm later? If so, that doctor would have taken this development and done something with it. Surely, the child had many people witness they had a partially formed limb and later it became fully grown. Pardon the pun, but this story would have grown legs quickly and would have been widely reported.

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Being one of the witnesses, I take the miracle of the child's arm growing and becoming whole to be circumstantially similar to Peter with a knife cutting off a portion of the soldiers ear and Jesus putting it back on. Leading up to the event and after the event it was not for the masses in unbelief but a specialized event meant only for the witnesses. Since others undoubtedly knew of the babies deformed arm beforehand widens who this event was for but not in a documentary prove to the masses way. It just happened, spontaneously, like to the soldiers ear. It would be the mother and others around the baby that would live with the events outcome. Was she trying to prove to the masses in unbelief that God heals?. I think not, but like me became a witness that He is. She bore a testimony through Him.

I've often thought of miracles in this way, that if a person was not involved but showed up shortly after, what would they think? He would be told a few moments ago the babies arm was small and deformed but a few minutes ago God showed up and made it grow and become normal. What would the person who just walked up think? From what he heard should he become a believer?. No. Even though it did occur how does he know? It still would be the witness of man. Like the soldiers ear, it would be a stated miracle, but who saw it and knows it happened? I realize unbelief is not removed through what others say or what others experience. It is that simple, though you may dig for more physical proof it still remains a question except for only the real witnesses. In part, God does not want people to "turn to Him" through what they hear from others, regardless the events or message. He wants them to turn to Him. He wants to reveal Himself to them, IF they want to know if He is.

Written upon my heart, boldly, many years ago, is these verses in the Bible:

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"And when I (Paul) came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming the testimony of God. ........ And my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of Power, that your faith should not rest on the (words) wisdom of men, but on the Power of God". I Corinthians 2:1,4,5
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Some people turn to a "religion" or a "denomination" within a religion, often based on turning to "doctrines" or "teachings" (words from men) rather than turning to Him on High through His work and Power. The one case makes religious folks full of "I believe this" teachings (words), the other produces "followers of the Most High" (who firsthand know Him), regardless of the color of their skin, their race, culture, period of time in history they live, and the like. One finds Him and becomes a witness of Him and His Power on High, the others witness for their religion and doctrines (mere words).

I'm fortunate to have sought Him and not teachings or to so called religious truths. When God made me open minded, while still a Naturalists, He put in me to test the words of those in religions I met; the Hindus, Mormans, and the like I encountered during those days. He put in me to not be satisfied with nothing else than to know that He is, and in power and obviousness, not in words or personal testimonies. Orherwise, I would not turn to men nor the doctrines they promote. It would be Him or then He is not. May I say I found Him, even through His working and Power from on High, when He revealed Himself to me in no uncertain or questionable way.

May God bless your days ahead.

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[Heissonear]

Well, I am asking the questions that interest me. I don´t know what you mean by "the right questions". "Right" - for which particular purposes, for which preconceived goals?

I was asking just a couple of objective questions. Everything else (particularly the idea that this is about keeping or removing beliefs or unbeliefs) must be projections on your part.

Thanks for answering my questions.
(I deleted the parts that weren´t answers to my questions, and I bolded the part in which you - in thankful honesty - signified your reminscence as being less than objective: "appeared to be").
Now, you don´t happen to have any names, any supporting sources etc.? Just asking - since such an exceptional, sensational event can be expected to have made it to the news (where I don´t recall finding it). After all, it would have - according to your reasoning - finally settled the long discussed question whether a God exists or not.
You know, not that I personally doubt your observations - but (not even knowing you in person) I wouldn´t dare to appeal to your expertise and authority in discussions with die-hard naturalists. These guys seem to be pretty demanding and - in my experience - don´t tend to take "yeah, but some Heissonear guy on the internet said so" for compelling evidence. You know how these naturalists are...
I´m not as skeptical and paranoid as they are; I do take any claim made on the internet for real. It would be pretty presumptious to consider the possibility that anonymous guys on the internet aren´t telling the truth, wouldn´t it? I mean, that would be almost like calling them liars. I really don´t understand how my buddies can be that suspecting.
Do you have any advice how I could possibly convince them?

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Please see Post #347

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[Neogaia777]

All the accounts about Jesus in the bible were written by authors born long after Jesus died.

Do you really believe Matt and John wrote Matt and John?

Really?

If so, then you my friend are in denial of the truth.

In the magazine article I read about when the books (especially the four gospels) they were dated just before the fall of the roman empire, which makes it possible that either these (some of them) could have been written firsthand accounts by the men who were actually present with Jesus, when he was around, in their old age, as they could see the fall of Rome approaching. Another possibility is that they were written even earlier but due to persecution and the burning of books (originals) that the earliest scrolls we have in our possession, were copies of the originals, copies that are earliest that we could find in archeology (sorry, no spell check, but you get what I mean)

Also, while their was initial persecution of Christians sects, eventually the message spread like wildfire, in spite of the persecution, that the message and story was so powerful, that by the third century, it's (Christ's teachings and influence, was undeniable at that point by all, and his effect on the entire evolution of all of western civilization, and the ideals (human rights, and love and the like, and everything it (the principles that Jesus Christ) taught so changed the entire evolution and changes and advancements and all the ideals we taught and hold most dear in all of the most modern forms of government that most of the west holds dear and the things (wisdom) we have come to know can be directly attributed and traced back to Jesus Christ and his teachings and the teachings of the Bible, if that's not enough evidence for you leaving all the a-typical arguments and other evidences that you choose to deny, out of it, I don't know what is (can be for you)...

In Jesus Christ's Holy name, God bless

 

[Neogaia777]

Short version of my personal testimony...

I have personally experienced miraculous happenings with myself in my own personal life,

Well, I don't know if this will help or not, and I'm not going to go into long drawn out details but I personally have been shown over and over and over again, many, many signs and wonders and portents in my environment and through the forces of the environment (nature) and through animals and people, and have had so, so very, very many strange set of series of multiple upon multiple coincidences, that were just to coincidental and happened to many times to be just mere coincidence...

I have personally been shown many things, most of which was so much I can't even remember them all, (all the specifics) But I had an all the sudden lightning and powerful windstorm blow in from out of no where in the space of about two minutes after just getting done praying on a park bench, I've spoke to the rain twice and it either started coming down a lot, lot harder immediately afterward, or in one case stopped immediately after my speaking/praying, and many, many other strange things happened to me that at first I tried to deny and say to myself "that's ridiculous" or "that's absurd, that's impossible" But after so, so many, many times I came to believe it and had to admit to myself most definitely for assuredity, I have seen and experienced the proof of God, I finally had to admit it to myself after many, many personal revelations.

I also heard voices, and have had some very strange dreams along with these coincidences along the way...

Well, just thought I'd share that, anyways I HAVE TO believe in God now, and I cannot take credit for my faith, nor judge those who have not experienced such things...

God Bless!

 

[Heissonear]

For those who still think "turning to God" means turning to doctrines, teachings and religious systems:


"For the Kingdom of God does not consist of words, but in Power". I Corinthians 4:20

“Seek first His Kingdom" Matthew 6:33

"Then you will call upon Me and come and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart". Jeremiah 29:12,13

"Then He said to the man, "Stretch out your hand!" And he stretched it out, and it was restored to normal, like the other." Matthew 12:13


Those who turn to Him He touches with Power, and He wants them to seek His domain of Power and Purity, which is distinctly above the natural and temporal.

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[stevevw]

All the accounts about Jesus in the bible were written by authors born long after Jesus died.

Do you really believe Matt and John wrote Matt and John?

Really?

If so, then you my friend are in denial of the truth.

Most of the books of the new testament were written before the end of the first century. Well before eye witnesses would have died. Some of the eye witnesses themselves went on to be like the disciples and went around preaching and keeping the events alive. Considering there were thousands of witnesses dont you think that some of the writers spoke to some of the people who seen Jesus. Don't you think that if a person was going to write about a person they would talk to some that knew him or to some that knew people who knew him.

1 Corinthians of Paul have been dated to around 5 years after Christs death. There is little doubt that it was written by Paul and Paul signs off himself in the letters he writes. Paul mentions Luke and Quotes from the Gospels in some of his letters. Books like James and peter have evidence that they were written by them and they were apostles and they state that what they say is the written truth. There is no evidence strong evidence either way for who wrote the book of John but of course skeptical people will quickly jump on the side of disproving it. But there is some credible evidence to say that john did write the book. But then it doesn't matter as much as other books which have more evidence are in line with those books as well. So whoever wrote them either was an eye witness or had access to people who were eye witnesses because what they write is consistent with eye witness accounts.
The Resurrection of Jesus and the Witness of Paul - bethinking.org

Historical figures like Josephus, Pliny, [FONT=&quot]Suetonius, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Celsus, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lucian, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Cornelius Tacitus [/FONT], [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Thallus, and [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Papias to name some all refer to Jesus or the Christians or knew the apostles who were eye witnesses to the events and wrote about it.[/FONT]

Even the Jewish Talmud, certainly not biased toward Jesus, concurs about the major events of his life. From the Talmud, "we learn that Jesus was conceived out of wedlock, gathered disciples, made blasphemous claims about himself, and worked miracles, but these miracles are attributed to sorcery and not to God."9

Critics of the detail of the bible use to argue that the bible was wrong about some of the things it said happened or the people and places mentioned. Such as the Census that was taken when Mary was pregnant with Jesus. They also said there was no record of a governor in Syria named Quirinius, and no tradition of requiring people to return to their ancestral home for purposes of recording their numbers (these details are mentioned in Luke 2:1-3). But archeological findings have now revealed that the Romans regularly recorded the enrollment of taxpayers and that they held censuses every 14 years (beginning with Augustus Caesar). In addition to this, an inscription found in Antioch tells of Quirinius being governor of Syria around 7 B.C. (evidently he was governor twice!) But that’s not all. Archeology has proven the Biblical writers to be correct about hundreds of other details that were once questioned, like the existence of Lysanias (Luke 3:1), the existence of court called “the Pavement” (or “Gabbatha” as mentioned in John 19:13), the existence of Pontius Pilate, the details of Roman crucifixion, the existence of the city of Iconium (Acts 14:6) , the existence of the proconsul named Sergius Paulus (Acts 13), and the existence of a man named Gallio (Acts 18), to name just a few! Critics once thought the Biblical writers to be either mistaken or lying about these details until archeological finds in the last two centuries proved the Bible to be correct.
http://pleaseconvinceme.com/2012/are-the-gospels-a-reliable-eyewitness-account-of-the-life-of-jesus/

So things like these historical events are interwoven throughout the story of Jesus and could have only been known by the people of that day. Some of the details of events that only happened around that time could have only been know by the people of that time. So there is a lot of historical evidence for Jesus and the disciples and the bible.

 

[Heissonear]

Most of the books of the new testament were written before the end of the first century. Well before eye witnesses would have died. Some of the eye witnesses themselves went on to be like the disciples and went around preaching and keeping the events alive. Considering there were thousands of witnesses dont you think that some of the writers spoke to some of the people who seen Jesus. Don't you think that if a person was going to write about a person they would talk to some that knew him or to some that knew people who knew him.

1 Corinthians of Paul have been dated to around 5 years after Christs death. There is little doubt that it was written by Paul and Paul signs off himself in the letters he writes. Paul mentions Luke and Quotes from the Gospels in some of his letters. Books like James and peter have evidence that they were written by them and they were apostles and they state that what they say is the written truth. There is no evidence strong evidence either way for who wrote the book of John but of course skeptical people will quickly jump on the side of disproving it. But there is some credible evidence to say that john did write the book. But then it doesn't matter as much as other books which have more evidence are in line with those books as well. So whoever wrote them either was an eye witness or had access to people who were eye witnesses because what they write is consistent with eye witness accounts.
The Resurrection of Jesus and the Witness of Paul - bethinking.org

Historical figures like Josephus, Pliny, [FONT=&quot]Suetonius, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Celsus, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lucian, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Cornelius Tacitus [/FONT], [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Thallus, and [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Papias to name some all refer to Jesus or the Christians or knew the apostles who were eye witnesses to the events and wrote about it.[/FONT]

Even the Jewish Talmud, certainly not biased toward Jesus, concurs about the major events of his life. From the Talmud, "we learn that Jesus was conceived out of wedlock, gathered disciples, made blasphemous claims about himself, and worked miracles, but these miracles are attributed to sorcery and not to God."9

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Let's take Luke as one of the examples of "witnesses".

Luke was an interesting disciple. He knew most were comfortable with the witness Jesus produced in many to carry the Word, even statements of Jesus while in earth. It is interesting how he was chosen to write/document Luke and Acts.

God worked in many in that day, in Power. Like a River from Heaven, He Wrote many things on disciples (his witnesses) hearts.

Paul is another example of those witnesses with the Word being written on his heart by the Holy Spirit. Paul wrote most of the New Testament. He allowed others to assist Him.

In times since worldly scholars have butchered what God on High did through many. By not knowing His ways nor Acts upon others, even Rivers from on High flowing in them, they looked at paper and words and reasoned of their origin. Good enough, but it is best to know the Author, and How He uses His Written Word.

Those in unbelief doubt and doubt a lot. Those who have been touched by and given an Anointing from on High (I John 2:20) get in on the Rivers from on High, even how God writes His Word on peoples hearts; how the Word is made near, very near.

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[HitchSlap]

There is zero contemporary non-biblical sources for Jesus. Remove the Gospels, and it's like he never existed.

 

[stevevw]

There is zero contemporary non-biblical sources for Jesus. Remove the Gospels, and it's like he never existed.

When you say remove the gospels do you mean the whole bible i assume. If you say there is zero evidence for Jesus with non bible sources then i would expect you are also including all the other books in the bible.

As for non biblical evidence we have some evidence coming from historians around that time and soon after. Even scientist agree there was a man named Jesus so i dont know where you are getting your info from. But so what if you dont believe that Jesus did anything special why is it so important to disprove Jesus the man.

This is from wikipedia.
Most modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed,[5][7][8] but scholars differ on the historicity of specific episodes described in the Biblical accounts,[12] and the only two events subject to "almost universal assent" are that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.[9][10][11] There is a significant debate about his nature, his actions and his sayings, but most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew who was born between 7-4 BC and died 30–36 AD,[13][14][15] that he lived in Galilee and Judea and did not preach or study elsewhere,[16][17][18] and that he spoke Aramaic and perhaps also Hebrew and Greek.
Historicity of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is from live science a science site.

While there is no scientific way to know whether that supernatural event at the heart of Christianity actually happened, historians have established some facts about his life.
Who Was the Historical Jesus | Christianity | LiveScience

The bible itself is a historical documented. Paul's letter to the Corinthians has been dated to around 5 years after Christs death. So you have to remember that if you take out the supernatural aspect these writings are of historical value. They mention names, places and things that were around in those times. The bible would have to be one of the greatest accounts of any figure in history. So in some ways we have more information on Jesus than any other book no matter when it was written.

 

[stevevw]

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[stevevw]

Sorry it said it timed out but still posted.

 

[stevevw]

There is zero contemporary non-biblical sources for Jesus. Remove the Gospels, and it's like he never existed.

There isn't any evidence for most of the figures of that time period. so lets just pretend none of it happened.

 

[stevevw]

As for non biblical evidence we have some evidence coming from historians around that time and soon after. Even scientist agree there was a man named Jesus so i dont know where you are getting your info from. But so what if you dont believe that Jesus did anything special why is it so important to disprove Jesus the man.

This is from wikipedia.
Most modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed,[5][7][8] but scholars differ on the historicity of specific episodes described in the Biblical accounts,[12] and the only two events subject to "almost universal assent" are that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.[9][10][11] There is a significant debate about his nature, his actions and his sayings, but most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew who was born between 7-4 BC and died 30–36 AD,[13][14][15] that he lived in Galilee and Judea and did not preach or study elsewhere,[16][17][18] and that he spoke Aramaic and perhaps also Hebrew and Greek.
Historicity of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is from live science a science site.

While there is no scientific way to know whether that supernatural event at the heart of Christianity actually happened, historians have established some facts about his life.
Who Was the Historical Jesus | Christianity | LiveScience

The bible itself is a historical documented. Paul's letter to the Corinthians has been dated to around 5 years after Christs death. So you have to remember that if you take out the supernatural aspect these writings are of historical value. They mention names, places and things that were around in those times that only people that lived then would have known. The bible has been proved correct in naming people and places that were not discovered if it wasn't for the bible. The bible would have to be one of the greatest accounts of any figure in history. So in some ways we have more information on Jesus than any other book no matter when it was written. When you consider that there is very little writings from those times about anyone in history it is remarkable that anything would be said about anyone. But here we have a complete book which has had a great impact on the world and its people.

 

[stevevw]

As for non biblical evidence we have some evidence coming from historians around that time and soon after. Even scientist agree there was a man named Jesus so i dont know where you are getting your info from. But so what if you dont believe that Jesus did anything special why is it so important to disprove Jesus the man.

This is from wikipedia.
Most modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed,[5][7][8] but scholars differ on the historicity of specific episodes described in the Biblical accounts,[12] and the only two events subject to "almost universal assent" are that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.[9][10][11] There is a significant debate about his nature, his actions and his sayings, but most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew who was born between 7-4 BC and died 30–36 AD,[13][14][15] that he lived in Galilee and Judea and did not preach or study elsewhere,[16][17][18] and that he spoke Aramaic and perhaps also Hebrew and Greek.
Historicity of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is from live science a science site.

While there is no scientific way to know whether that supernatural event at the heart of Christianity actually happened, historians have established some facts about his life.
Who Was the Historical Jesus | Christianity | LiveScience

The bible itself is a historical documented. Paul's letter to the Corinthians has been dated to around 5 years after Christs death. So you have to remember that if you take out the supernatural aspect these writings are of historical value. They mention names, places and things that were around in those times that only people that lived then would have known. The bible has been proved correct in naming people and places that were not discovered if it wasn't for the bible. The bible would have to be one of the greatest accounts of any figure in history. So in some ways we have more information on Jesus than any other book no matter when it was written. When you consider that there is very little writings from those times about anyone in history it is remarkable that anything would be said about anyone. But here we have a complete book which has had a great impact on the world and its people.