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Hope in a pre-trib rapture.

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Freth, Mar 28, 2021.

  1. Spiritual Jew

    Spiritual Jew Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Here's something we can actually agree on.

    I'll never understand why pre-tribs think we will be taken off of the earth to avoid tribulation when Jesus Himself said this:

    John 17:15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.
     
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  2. BABerean2

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    The Dispensationalists must get the Church off the planet so that God can have another chance with the modern State of Israel.

    Their Two Peoples of God doctrine dies without the pretrib removal of the Church.

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  3. Timtofly

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    Souls are removed because this is the final harvest. Either one will have their head cut off or receive the mark. God and the angels are putting seals on people's foreheads. One seals from harm, the other seals for eternal damnation. The judgment is the way you are sealed. If you are not sealed either way, one's head gets removed. Only those with the mark and their names removed from the Lamb's book of life endure to the end of Satan's 42 months. There is no escape rapture before, mid, nor post 42 months. The rapture is just as much of an escape at any point if an escape at all. You all agree it is not an escape, and it does not exist at any time, for that very reason. The only escape is getting one's head chopped off. That is not a rapture by any stretch of the imagination.
     
  4. BABerean2

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    Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
    Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


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  5. Timtofly

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    Why do those in Christ physically shed this dead corruptible body? The Second Coming is a harvest of souls. This dead body will physically return to dust. Physical death is the resurrection to life.
     
  6. BABerean2

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    Why do you ignore the text of Ephesians 1:12-13, which does not agree with your claims?

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  7. Timtofly

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    You are the one who rejects God seals all mankind with that seal. Shedding this physical body is not being sealed. Shedding this body is victory over death.

    “Death is swallowed up in victory."
    “Death, where is your victory?
    Death, where is your sting?”
     
  8. BABerean2

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    Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
    Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


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  9. Timtofly

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    10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

    11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

    12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

    13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

    14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

    So you have to accept there are dispensations, no?

    God predestined that all be brought together in Christ, that is the Atonement. That is the seal.

    Paul states he was the first who trusted in Christ.

    The progression is trusting one is sealed, and then believing in that trust. The progression is given again in Romans 10:14-15

    How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

    15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent?

    "Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."

    The belief is in acknowledging that one is sealed. Being sealed does not work unless one acknowledges and accepts the seal. The problem is that many claim the Atonement is not applied first. Christ does not die each time a person accepts the Atonement. Christ died once and for all, and God declared it happened before Creation.

    Most interpret the verse as Atonement and being sealed happens every time a human believes. Paul is literally saying all are sealed, and they do not know about it. They reject the gospel that even declares such a truth. They reject God in their pride. Some then lack trust, some then lack belief. None of that negates the Atonement to all of Adam's descendants. Depravity and sin is not the hindrance. Pride and self worth claim God does not need to redeem mankind. Some have even proven in theory, there is no God.

    God does not limit the Atonement. Human pride puts a limit on God’s Atonement. The belief is that we are, have already been sealed. The belief does not seal us. God's Atonement on the Cross sealed us, and all were sealed before Creation. Conception is when each soul is physically sealed, because physical birth of water comes at the same time one is sealed. It is the ernest because we do not have our own Spirit at conception.
     
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  10. Oseas

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    ~~~THE LAST DECADE-COUNTDOWN~~~

    ~~~~~~The door is starting to close ~~~~~~

    April 15-2021 is the HUNDREDTH FIFTH DAY of the LAST DECADE of the current Devil's world.

    The LAST WEEK - Daniel 9:v.27 - is within of this LAST DECADE.

    Be careful and get ready


    In Christ JESUS, KING of kings(kings made by Him) and LORD of lords


    Fellow in Christ

    Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for MANY, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. And when once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, ... Luke 13:v.24-25 - See, this current decade is the last decade of the current Devil's world. The door is starting to close.

    Revelation 2:v. 26 to 29

    26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

    27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

    28 And I will give him the morning star.

    29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

    Revelation 21:v.8
    8 But the fearful(the COWARDS), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
     
  11. BABerean2

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    Daniel chapter 9, Dr. Kelly Varner:


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