Homosexuality

[Sammy-San]

I have seen small kids that were born with tendency towards being gay.But that being said Doesn't make it right to act on those tendencies That part is a choice
Gods way is always the best way.

It's not a sin to have a tendency towards a certain sin. However, it is a sin to give into temptations and live a sinful lifestyle and be unrepentant about your sins.

 

[Jesse2014]

Ignore my post

It was garbage

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

How do we as Christians with our present understanding of scripture write positively about homosexuality? I don't know. I only know that when you know someone who is gay and loves the Lord it really matters. My brother said, the Lord delivered him from homosexuality but gave him nothing, asexuality. Before he passed he had asked Jesus to be his Savior and found out a few months later that he had AIDS. He said when he got the diagnosis, the first words out of his mouth were "thank God I'm going home". This was when AIDS had first appeared and there was little hope and no quality of life but he lived for 5-6 years and grew in the Lord. He died well, although I can't say he ever found any happiness in this world. Life is difficult when your very center, your formative years are so twisted. For those of us who are blessed with having no significant handicaps, for us to judge others is just plain ghoulish. There are children all over the world being raised right now as sex slaves. From birth they are taken and trained in the art of sex and sold, some even infants, for pedophiles or into secretive countries where sex slavery is considered culturally 'legal'.
How do we judge those people if and when they hear the gospel, but if they never hear the gospel, how will God judge them?
I have to see homosexuality as an aberration, like being born blind. You have to deal with what you have. It is not 'the perfect' but we are talking about human beings made in the image of God and we can judge or wish till we're blue and it won't help anyone.
Our churches are full of perfect people, ugh... it is so sad. Where are the hurting, the lost, the developmentally challenged, the physically handicapped. Our churches should be full of these people but they are only the over flow from families that go to church. They are not sought or truly wanted.
I want a church that preaches the gospel with compassion and asks people that are homosexual to understand what we read in the scriptures but we honestly don't know everything the Lord has or why He does what He does, so we will love you where you are and let you judge for yourself what the scriptures say. BUT be honest, there is not a one of us that can fulfill all righteousness in thought and deed. Not a one of us that doesn't need to ask for forgiveness on a daily basis. Why are homosexuals treated any differently? They are one of us. Sinners in need of a Savior.
When we witness to people the gospel of Jesus Christ, would anyone hear us if we told them before hand, you'll have to give up everything. But its true for all of us. We must be willing to give up everything. Most of us learn that as we grow into Him. But would we have followed Him if we knew before hand, that we might have to lay down our lives for Him. And when we come to that realization, it is a personal moment with the Lord. Not a teaching, or a prayer said in church but a time when you know with all your heart, that you do anything He asked... sell it all, give it all or die for Him.
So we approach homosexuals, who already think Christians hate them and say well you'll have to be something different or your a reprobate and not wanted in this place. What kind of a message is that to another human being that doesn't know the Lord.
Instead we might say, IDK why or how but I'm going to struggle with you if you'll struggle with me...

God bless, andrea

My brother died from AIDS also. It was during the same period when AIDS was raging through the Gay community. I remember him telling me with tears in his eyes,on how the lifestyle was hedonnistic and would eat me up. He had known at the time that I was Gay.

I know now that the Gay lifestyle for Gay men is about sex. I know that I know. I have seen it up close and lived it. Gay men have sex often and as much as they can. Men are Men and there are no barriers.

That aside, I have made it a habit of asking Gay men about their family lives, and for the most part they have been tragedies. I have had more than 1 gay man cry to me and tell me how sick they were of having sex. But yet the continued.

It's the lifestyle, as they say in the gay community. Now instead of gay bars and night clubs, it is Gay hookup apps, such as Grindr and Adam for Adam. These sites make sex easier and human socialization even less. Now days itis wam bam thankyou mam. There is no more community. The pretense is gone.

 

[tremble]

Posted this over on the other gay thread. Thought it'd be relevant, here, too. ^.^

*puts rant hat on*

We shouldn't judge but we definitely shouldn't agree with it nor take any part in it except to inform others God speaks against it.

Actually, we definitely should be judging. "Judgement" has gotten a bad name over the years, but that's mostly because of people who have abused judgement for selfish reasons, either to put others down, or to hide themselves from it.

Judgement in itself is neither good nor bad. It is fair judgement that we need to exercise. Pretending that we do not judge will only lead to self righteousness and hypocrisy. I mentioned earlier about Jesus saying, "take the beam out of your own eye first, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye".

Homosexuality is a speck. It's still a problem, but when compared with the really important issues, it's a speck. Look how emotional and outraged people become over the issue. Where is that same zeal when it comes to confronting greed? Or hypocrisy or any number of other issues that Jesus mentioned over and over again?

Right here on this very thread we had someone mention earlier, "Do we have problems with gluttony, hate, and greed?" strongly implying that homosexuality is a far bigger problem than those issues. And several other posters agreed with those comments.

I believe this is one of the key reasons why Christians are so ineffective when confronting homosexuality. We've not taken the beam from our own eye, first.

Here is more scriptural evidence of that. What did Jesus say about homosexuality? The closest he got was to mention Sodom and Gomorrah, two cities from the OT which were notorious for homosexuality;

LK 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

LK 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

LK 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

LK 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

LK 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

No mention of homosexuality anywhere in his comments about the city where Lot came from (Sodom). Instead, he describes a situation where people were too concerned with the cares of the world to care about what God wanted. That is the root of the problem. Homosexuality is just one branch among many on the tree.

Apathy is what leads to all these other problems. If we really want to make progress, then we should take the same attitude as Jesus. Stop fighting the symptoms and start fighting the cause of the problems.

Notice the last sentence. He said, as it was in the days of Lot, so it would be again in the days just before he returns, though there is hardly any Christian who will admit to it.

For example, it's nearly impossible to talk about obeying Jesus without a chorus of people shouting that we can't "work our way to Heaven", as though obedience to Jesus is the worst thing a Christian can do. We find various ways to make the argument sound reasonable or spiritual, but the bottom line is that his teachings are ignored for one reason or another. We've got a church full of people who believe they are the exception to the standards Jesus set for his followers. Jesus mentioned this very same problem:

LK 14:17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.

LK 14:18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.

LK 14:19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.

LK 14:20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

Some very popular modern day renditions of the scenario include, "I don't have the faith for that", "I don't feel led to that", "That was only for the apostles", "I already give to my church", and "Jesus did it all on the cross so we don't have to".

Instead of confronting the issues Jesus clearly told us to deal with we focus on the problems of others and we claim righteous indignation in our judgements of them, "because the Bible says so"! We really, really care about sin. We don't want to condone something which will make God angry and so on and so on. It all sounds so very spiritual, but it's always aimed at the other guys.

Ok, rant over ^.^

 

[tremble]

. Now days itis wam bam thankyou mam.

"Now days itis wam bam thankyou man".

Fixed that for you. ^.^

 

[Alithis]

How would you respond to people who say that gay marriage should be legalized because of "equal rights"?

such a right has never existed ,stil doesn't . its a false premise . all lies

 

[Alithis]

I have seen small kids that were born with tendency towards being gay.But that being said Doesn't make it right to act on those tendencies That part is a choice
Gods way is always the best way.

oh riiight .. lol sorry but really ?

oh wait yeh I saw a small kid who was born with a tendency to murder

oh and another who was born with a tendency toward adultery
I could tell I mean ..look at the kid ...

sorry your trying to tell us that by looking at a kid you could tell they may one day commit sodomy .. which is impossible for you to know by looking at a kid .
there is no such thing as gay . there is sin .
all are born with a tendency toward Sin.
we don't excuse one tendency because they tell us to.

those that get tricked by it get trapped in a demonic deception and become imprisoned and need saving.

but wait ..- men who get trapped in porn are in the same state.
-woman who get trapped in gambling are in the same state ..etc

I will not offer special considerations and consolations to one Sinful sect Just because they demand it .

 

[RBPerry]

Your asking me to impose the word of unverified unprovable theories made up by mere created mortals over the word of the most high God.. that is idolatry .

Ok, start off by explaining the DNA studies that have been done and where the fault is in them. Tell us what you understand about human behavior. Go to the Bible and show us where God said that no one would ever be born with generational sin, of the results of it.

You obviously do not even understand what idolatry is. Sir, I hate to put it this way but you are showing your scientific ignorance.

I in no way justify homosexual behavior, I just have compassion for those who are predisposed to it. You need to learn to look outside the box and realize there is a real world of solid scientific research. Does science have all the answers, of course not, but neither do us Christians.

 

[RBPerry]

Here is a small example of some of the research that has been done. Scientist say genetic factors account for between 30% and 40% of what decides whether a man is gay or straight . The US researchers stress that environmental forces, such as hormones in the womb, play a more important role. Meaning it could be both genetic, or hormonal imbalance.
The research involved testing the DNA in blood samples taken from more than 409 gay brothers and their heterosexual relatives. It confirmed that a region previously linked to male sexuality on the X chromosome , known as Xq28, is more likely to be shared by gay pairs of brothers than siblings who do not have homosexuality in common. A second genetic region, on Chromosome 8, also appeared to increase the chances of a man being gay. Previously some experts have dismissed the idea of a genetic component to homosexuality because of the so-called "Darwinian paradox", and I think that is a very weak argument.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

My brother died from AIDS also. It was during the same period when AIDS was raging through the Gay community. I remember him telling me with tears in his eyes,on how the lifestyle was hedonnistic and would eat me up. He had known at the time that I was Gay.

I know now that the Gay lifestyle for Gay men is about sex. I know that I know. I have seen it up close and lived it. Gay men have sex often and as much as they can. Men are Men and there are no barriers.

That aside, I have made it a habit of asking Gay men about their family lives, and for the most part they have been tragedies. I have had more than 1 gay man cry to me and tell me how sick they were of having sex. But yet the continued.

It's the lifestyle, as they say in the gay community. Now instead of gay bars and night clubs, it is Gay hookup apps, such as Grindr and Adam for Adam. These sites make sex easier and human socialization even less. Now days itis wam bam thankyou mam. There is no more community. The pretense is gone.

And I say what I always say...you need to meet better gay people. Seriously. Just because some gay people are man harlots (sorry, i don't know a better way to put it), does not mean all are. Or even most. Sadly, those tend to be the easiest to get to open up about it, and the easiest to find - since most average joe gay guys aren't likely to open up and tell you about the sex they have or do not have and such.

I mean, I know gay guys that have too much sex...but even then they aren't THAT bad about it. I know couples that are open, or at least "monogam-ish".
And on the other hand, I know several gay couples that are purely monogamous (including myself and my partner).

All depends on who you know.

That said, I know more older gay men that are promiscuous than I do those in my generation. Which is kind of...interesting, I think. Not sure it is a trend, but that is my experience.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

"Now days itis wam bam thankyou man".

Fixed that for you. ^.^

Ba dum tssshhh - YouTube

 

[retlaw]

I have seen small kids that were born with tendency towards being gay.But that being said Doesn't make it right to act on those tendencies That part is a choice
Gods way is always the best way.

I don't think it's possible for a kid to have gay tendencies. Kids are all different and they just want to have fun. when I was little I was a little smaller than the other boys, more shy and less aggressive. I used to like to play with my mom's shoes and I liked to dig in my mom's fake pearl necklace drawer. If I'd been born today I'm sure they would have thought [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] we have a gay child.

Meanwhile my sister was loud and aggressive, stayed out in the back yard digging up critters and scaring the ladies and getting into fist fights.

so what happened, well she became a cheerleader, wife and mom. I grew out of my shyness and my smallness, chased every skirt I saw in high school, became a football captain, weight lifter, college rugby player and now I'm 47 and go to a crossfit gym and mix it up with 20 year olds. I also married a woman.

Just because a little boy plays with woman's shoes doesn't mean he's got gay tendencies. I can promise you I have zero gay tendencies. It's the skirt chasing tendencies that I have to battle every day.

 

[Alithis]

Ok, start off by explaining the DNA studies that have been done and where the fault is in them. Tell us what you understand about human behavior. Go to the Bible and show us where God said that no one would ever be born with generational sin, of the results of it.

You obviously do not even understand. what idolatry is. Sir, I hate to put it this way but you are showing your scientific ignorance.

I in no way justify homosexual behavior, I just have compassion for those who are predisposed to it. You need to learn to look outside the box and realize there is a real world of solid scientific research. Does science have all the answers, of course not, but neither do us Christians.

Generational sin is demonic not generic and you can't get any
Further out of the box then with God.He made the box.
Recently the said they found the key that makes a person blond or not but
Your still trying to say there's an irrevocable unchangeable key that removes from people their choice about whether they eat chocolate or carbs. Its just a ridiculous premise.and it tries to impose itself over the word of God.
And idolatry is any time you elivate anything to a state of importance above God.whether it be self,a statue,or science.
God's word is above all.

 

[RBPerry]

Idolatry is a pejorative term for the worship of an idol or a physical object such as a cult image as a god, or practices believed to verge on worship. So as I said, you do not understand the meaning of Idolatry.

Generational sin is not necessarily demonic. The mother that has HIV and then has an infected child is not demonic, stop and think about it. They are slowly unraveling the genetic code, in one sense that is scary because of what the potentials are for miss use of that knowledge. Such as cloning and giving genetic reasons for abortion.

What about people that have damaged frontal lobes, or are severely mentally challenged. You just can not lump all people into the same barrel, it just isn't right.

 

[Sammy-San]

such a right has never existed ,stil doesn't . its a false premise . all lies

Some people say (in defense of gay marriage) that "there's a separation of church and state, and gay marriage shouldn't be illegal just because it goes against your religion". What's your response to that claim?

 

[Jesse2014]

Idolatry is a pejorative term for the worship of an idol or a physical object such as a cult image as a god, or practices believed to verge on worship. So as I said, you do not understand the meaning of Idolatry.

Generational sin is not necessarily demonic. The mother that has HIV and then has an infected child is not demonic, stop and think about it. They are slowly unraveling the genetic code, in one sense that is scary because of what the potentials are for miss use of that knowledge. Such as cloning and giving genetic reasons for abortion.

What about people that have damaged frontal lobes, or are severely mentally challenged. You just can not lump all people into the same barrel, it just isn't right.

.......

 

[RBPerry]

Some people say (in defense of gay marriage) that "there's a separation of church and state, and gay marriage shouldn't be illegal just because it goes against your religion". What's your response to that claim?

You are right that there is a separation of church and state as it should be. Just because a state or government accepts something doesn't mean that the church needs to. You see we have religious freedom here in America, that means we answer to God before man.
Many today want to remove our religious freedoms, or create laws to keep Christians from being allowed to voice their beliefs.
What bothers many of us about the gay community is that they attempt to turn our disagreement with their lifestyle into a hate issue, and it has nothing to do with hate.
These same groups want to have laws passed that would force a Christian church into performing gay marriages removing our religious freedoms.
It is time to draw a line in the sand.

 

[Loudmouth]

What bothers many of us about the gay community is that they attempt to turn our disagreement with their lifestyle into a hate issue, and it has nothing to do with hate.

What you need to understand is that the gay community is a vulnerable minority that has seen injustice and outright violence visited upon them by the majority. What people are asking is not to support speech that fans the flames of injustice and violence. The religious groups that have been labelled as hate groups have publically supported such things as death sentences for simply being gay. That is a bit more than just a disagreement.

These same groups want to have laws passed that would force a Christian church into performing gay marriages removing our religious freedoms.
It is time to draw a line in the sand.

That's only in cases where churches allow anyone from the public to rent their facilities which makes them into a business instead of a church. They can't open their church to the public, and then discriminate. However, if their policy is to only perform services for members of their church, then they are allowed to discriminate, in case you were wondering.

 

[Alithis]

Idolatry is a pejorative term for the worship of an idol or a physical object such as a cult image as a god, or practices believed to verge on worship. So as I said, you do not understand the meaning of Idolatry.

Generational sin is not necessarily demonic. The mother that has HIV and then has an infected child is not demonic, stop and think about it. They are slowly unraveling the genetic code, in one sense that is scary because of what the potentials are for miss use of that knowledge. Such as cloning and giving genetic reasons for abortion.

What about people that have damaged frontal lobes, or are severely mentally challenged. You just can not lump all people into the same barrel, it just isn't right.

Your talking about genetic birth defect.hiv in a mother does not cause the child to sin.not sure what your on about there.
And if you think idolatry is limited to statues then you need to look into why people bow to them.
They elevate them into the place of God and superimpose there faith in their belief of them over the knowledge of God.
People do that with science... that sir,is idolatry.

 

[Hetta]

What makes people homosexual--I don't think anyone was born that way; I don't think anyone is born with sexual attractions of any kind. I think they develop through childhood experiences and then are cemented at puberty. So those who don't have good friends and role models of their sex in childhood, or who don't fit in well, will identify with their own sex less and thus be more attracted to it ("opposites attract"). So its not a choice, but is a result of negative things.

So exactly what childhood experiences did you have that confirmed your heterosexuality? When did you make that conscious choice to be heterosexual?