Homosexuality

[Hetta]

I don't think it's possible for a kid to have gay tendencies. Kids are all different and they just want to have fun. when I was little I was a little smaller than the other boys, more shy and less aggressive. I used to like to play with my mom's shoes and I liked to dig in my mom's fake pearl necklace drawer. If I'd been born today I'm sure they would have thought [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] we have a gay child.

Meanwhile my sister was loud and aggressive, stayed out in the back yard digging up critters and scaring the ladies and getting into fist fights.

so what happened, well she became a cheerleader, wife and mom. I grew out of my shyness and my smallness, chased every skirt I saw in high school, became a football captain, weight lifter, college rugby player and now I'm 47 and go to a crossfit gym and mix it up with 20 year olds. I also married a woman.

Just because a little boy plays with woman's shoes doesn't mean he's got gay tendencies. I can promise you I have zero gay tendencies. It's the skirt chasing tendencies that I have to battle every day.

I'm glad that you posted this. It's amazingly honest. Thank you for telling the truth about your own struggles and not pretending you are perfect and sinless. Wow.

 

[Alithis]

Some people say (in defense of gay marriage) that "there's a separation of church and state, and gay marriage shouldn't be illegal just because it goes against your religion". What's your response to that claim?

God Is right

 

[RBPerry]

Your talking about genetic birth defect

Now you are beginning to get it, a genetic defect or alteration of the genes. Same applies to some homosexuals.

I don't see anyone worshiping science, just attempting to understand and learn.

Loudmouth, give us the names of the churches that promote hate towards homosexuals and stop making blanket statements like that. Most pastors will not discriminate between members or non members but insist on an orthodox Christian faith. You see we as Christians look at all fellow Christians as being of one body of believers.

 

[Alithis]

Now you are beginning to get it, a genetic defect or alteration of the genes. Same applies to some homosexuals.

I don't see anyone worshiping science, just attempting to understand and learn.

Loudmouth, give us the names of the churches that promote hate towards homosexuals and stop making blanket statements like that. Most pastors will not discriminate between members or non members but insist on an orthodox Christian faith. You see we as Christians look at all fellow Christians as being of one body of believers.

We have crossed wires methinks... may have even replied to you when it was someone else's comment I referred to.

 

[Sammy-San]

God Is right

I agree, but how do you refute the "separation of church and state" argument?

 

[RBPerry]

I agree, but how do you refute the "separation of church and state" argument?

Because we live in a democracy and the will of the people should prevail on such sensitive issues. It was put to a vote in California and Californians elected to ban gay marriages, some judge came alone and overturned the will of the people, he was probably gay.

 

[GenetoJean]

Because we live in a democracy and the will of the people should prevail on such sensitive issues. It was put to a vote in California and Californians elected to ban gay marriages, some judge came alone and overturned the will of the people, he was probably gay.

And that is job of judges, to overide any law voted in that violates the Constitution.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

Because we live in a democracy and the will of the people should prevail on such sensitive issues.

Actually...we are not a democracy. We are a republic - a federal system/federation of states, to be exact.

Democracy means the people have the last say, republic means somehow a group of people (legislators, judges, etc) are selected (by both the electoral college in the US and somewhat, but less-so, by the people, at least at the higher levels - the President is entirely by the EC) to decide what is best for the country.

We are given the illusion of control in that we can 'vote', but WE are not the ones voting for the federal level, actually.

It was put to a vote in California and Californians elected to ban gay marriages, some judge came alone and overturned the will of the people, he was probably gay.

And a judge, one of those people selected to make the decisions, ruled it was against the established rules (Constitution, in this case) to begin with. Therefore, the "will of people" does not even matter, since it was against the Constitution before it was even up for a vote.

And, yeah, Walker (the judge in question) happens to be gay - he was also appointed by Bush and is generally considered a conservative judge. But the rest of the states where this has happened this has NOT been the case.

 

[Loudmouth]

Because we live in a democracy and the will of the people should prevail on such sensitive issues.

Sometimes it scares me that people do not realize that our Constitutional rights are there to protect the minority from the majority.

 

[BelCantoBaptist]

Sometimes it scares me that people do not realize that our Constitutional rights are there to protect the minority from the majority.

Honest question, what happens when the majority become the minority? There's this overwhelming idea in the country that if you disagree with homosexuality on a religious basis then you're nothing but a "bigot" akin to a racist and you hate gays akin to the way the KKK hates Jews and blacks. Which is an utterly false dichotomy. People today have accepted this idea that tolerance and love mean that you agree with and support everything someone does.

So when people draw up laws that make it "fighting words" or "hate speech" to say that you disagree with homosexuality and think it's sin ala the UK and Canada will you still be spouting this?

 

[Loudmouth]

Honest question, what happens when the majority become the minority?

They become the minority. You can ask the Native American tribes about their experinece with it.

There's this overwhelming idea in the country that if you disagree with homosexuality on a religious basis then you're nothing but a "bigot" akin to a racist and you hate gays akin to the way the KKK hates Jews and blacks.

The Constitution is not the Thought Police.

People today have accepted this idea that tolerance and love mean that you agree with and support everything someone does.

Tolerance is being aware of the violence and injustices that have been visited on homosexuals in the past, and trying to be aware of actions that might fan those flames, or give aid and comfort to those who do want to cause violence against homosexuals. That is what rational American citizens are asking for, just an awareness of history and being mindful of how your actions can be misconstrued by others.

So when people draw up laws that make it "fighting words" or "hate speech" to say that you disagree with homosexuality and think it's sin ala the UK and Canada will you still be spouting this?

Playing the "Oh poor persecuted me" card is not becoming. No one is claiming it is hate speech to disagree with homosexuality. The groups that are listed as hate groups have openly used language describing violence against homosexuals. That is what is going on, and it would be best that you honestly portray the facts. Here is a tidbit from one of the listed hate groups:

The Chalcedon Foundation, named after a 451 A.D. council that proclaimed the state’s subservience to God, was started in 1965 by Rousas John Rushdoony, who is known as “father of Christian Reconstruction” theology. Led by Rushdoony’s son, Mark, since the elder Rushdoony’s death in 2001, the foundation continues to push for the imposition of Old Testament law on America and the world.

Reconstruction, as described in R.J. Rushdoony’s foundational 1973 book The Institutes of Biblical Law, is opposed to modern notions of equality, democracy or tolerance — instead, it embraces the most draconian of religious views. Rushdoony supported the death penalty for homosexuals, among other “abominators.” He also opposed what he called “unequal yoking” — interracial marriage — and “enforced integration,” insisting that “[a]ll men are NOT created equal before God” (the Bible, he explained, “recognizes that some people are by nature slaves”). Rushdoony also denied the Holocaust, saying the murder of 6 million Jews was “false witness.”
http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...browse-all-issues/2010/winter/the-hard-liners
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Wouldn't you say that this is a little bit more than just disagreeing?
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[RBPerry]

Honest question, what happens when the majority become the minority?

Well so for we are not the minority, and our voices should be heard. The next thing will be lowering the age of consent to eight or nine years old so the pedophiles rights won't be hampered. Then polygamy will be legalized so a man can have several wives, dozens of kids and put them all on welfare, or have a state or federal job that ends up supporting all of them.

I don't see why marriage defined as being a man and a woman violates our constitution in any way. Like I said they got a gay judge to overturn the will of the people. It is time for every Christian or those opposed to gay marriages, write their state and federal legislators and insist that their voices be heard. This has nothing to do with hate, it has to do with what we feel is morally and ethically right.

When we elect officials they are elected by the majority. If they support gay marriages we should vote them out of office, that is another way the majority can speak.

 

[GenetoJean]

Honest question, what happens when the majority become the minority? There's this overwhelming idea in the country that if you disagree with homosexuality on a religious basis then you're nothing but a "bigot" akin to a racist and you hate gays akin to the way the KKK hates Jews and blacks. Which is an utterly false dichotomy. People today have accepted this idea that tolerance and love mean that you agree with and support everything someone does.

So when people draw up laws that make it "fighting words" or "hate speech" to say that you disagree with homosexuality and think it's sin ala the UK and Canada will you still be spouting this?

If this scenario happens, I will be on your side. I believe this across the board.

 

[GenetoJean]

Well so for we are not the minority, and our voices should be heard. The next thing will be lowering the age of consent to eight or nine years old so the pedophiles rights won't be hampered. Then polygamy will be legalized so a man can have several wives, dozens of kids and put them all on welfare, or have a state or federal job that ends up supporting all of them.

I don't see why marriage defined as being a man and a woman violates our constitution in any way. Like I said they got a gay judge to overturn the will of the people. It is time for every Christian or those opposed to gay marriages, write their state and federal legislators and insist that their voices be heard. This has nothing to do with hate, it has to do with what we feel is morally and ethically right.

When we elect officials they are elected by the majority. If they support gay marriages we should vote them out of office, that is another way the majority can speak.

Good luck with that.

 

[Loudmouth]

The next thing will be lowering the age of consent to eight or nine years old so the pedophiles rights won't be hampered.

This is why we can't have adult conversations.

I don't see why marriage defined as being a man and a woman violates our constitution in any way.

For the same reason that defining a restaurant as "whites only" was unconstitutional.

Like I said they got a gay judge to overturn the will of the people. It is time for every Christian or those opposed to gay marriages, write their state and federal legislators and insist that their voices be heard. This has nothing to do with hate, it has to do with what we feel is morally and ethically right.

The segregationists said the same thing.

 

[Marius27]

I don't see why marriage defined as being a man and a woman violates our constitution in any way.

It's called the 14th Amendment.

Like I said they got a gay judge to overturn the will of the people.

What gay judge would that be? Justice Walker? You mean the Republican justice appointed by Bush Sr. (and originally nominated by Reagan) who was criticized by Democrats for being too hard on gay issues?

You're also aware dozens of other judges have struck down the "will of the people" who were not gay right?

And the will of the people has no authority to deprive others of rights.

It is time for every Christian or those opposed to gay marriages, write their state and federal legislators and insist that their voices be heard. This has nothing to do with hate, it has to do with what we feel is morally and ethically right.

It is pure hatred. The legalization of gay marriage has nothing to do with your morality. If you don't approve of it, don't get gay married. You have no authority or right to tell other people they can't get a same-sex marriage if they want to.

When we elect officials they are elected by the majority. If they support gay marriages we should vote them out of office, that is another way the majority can speak.

Lol, sorry but you're on the losing side of history. The majority supports gay marriage. If you have a problem with that, you're welcome to move to Uganda, Iran, or Russia. I can assure you gay marriage will not be an issue for you in those countries.

 

[Marius27]

Because we live in a democracy and the will of the people should prevail on such sensitive issues. It was put to a vote in California and Californians elected to ban gay marriages, some judge came alone and overturned the will of the people, he was probably gay.

We don't live in a democracy, we live in a Constitutional Republic. Perhaps you should learn how our government works before engaging in these discussions.

 

[Alithis]

We don't live in a democracy, we live in a Constitutional Republic. Perhaps you should learn how our government works before engaging in these discussions.

It is before God each will stand and give account for their deeds. Sodomy is a deed declared by God to be wicked.
The Lord Jesus is his living word spoken forth from God to save all who will obey the truth He is from the judgment to come.America is not the kingdom of God and shall,with all the earth,be judged and destroyed.
Ours is to speak the truth in love and it is love to speak the truth of the good news of the lord Jesus.

 

[RBPerry]

The intent of the 14th amendment was to give equal protection to blacks, it was added in the 1860s after the civil war. Since the gays lost prop 8 in California, they have decided to use judicial bullying. They have no respect for the majority. Our elected officials are elected by the majority, and are suppose to represent the majority. Radical judges have no right to overturn the will of the people.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

The intent of the 14th amendment was to give equal protection to blacks, it was added in the 1860s after the civil war. Since the gays lost prop 8 in California, they have decided to use judicial bullying. They have no respect for the majority. Our elected officials are elected by the majority, and are suppose to represent the majority. Radical judges have no right to overturn the will of the people.

The system was set up to do just that - have a branch that COULD overturn the "will of the people" when the people of the nation wish to oppress a minority (for any reason not warranted - like in the case of actual criminals, etc.). Even Jefferson had this to say on the matter:

The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society.

That the "will of the people" sought to use the Government and Law as a tool to oppress and remove the equal rights of a group, regardless of what they think of them or what religion has to say about said group, is the very reason a Judicial system of checks on the Legislative (including referendi) exists in the US.