Homosexuality and Suppression of the Truth

[savedandhappy1]

And what is it exactly that you think of God's Word?

Why do so many think science and experience top Godly things? I have heard so many say if it can be proved by science then they believe it, no matter what God says.

Whatever happened to faith in God and His Word?

Whatever happened to God, said it that settles it?

Hope you are having a blessed day.

 

[Polycarp1]

What did Jesus say to the people who wanted to stone the woman caught in adultery?

Nice questions, and highly relevant to God's Truth (as opposed to what Zaac wants us to think is true).

But I'll bet you 5,000 blessings against 100 of your own that if anyone answers the quoted question before this post goes up, they will only quote the second half of what He said -- and focus on "sin no more."

There's some perverse condition among some people that makes them unwilling to allow that God might grant forgiveness to anyone else or on different terms than they themelves would. (In some circles, this is called having a carnal spirit. )

 

[savedandhappy1]

Great minds think alike. Try giving MrPirate a rating sometime, and see what happens.....

Very interesting.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Dear Dr. Dobson:

My cat fell asleep on my copy of "The History of the Synoptic Tradition." He has been neutered, but I am still afraid he might have caught Teh Ghey by contact. Is there anything I can do to prevent this?

~s/ Concerned Cat Owner

Yes you need to take that hat off his head and see if his eyes are still green. lol

 

[Crazy Liz]

Then both you and CRAZYLIZ need to slow your rolls and stop making natural conclusions. I will say exactly what I intend to say in order to save you guys the unneeded burden of me having to correct ya.

God's Word speaks quite elegantly as to why the sexual immorality is taking place. If you don't like what HE says about this being the result of folks suppressing the truth, make an appointment with Him to discuss it.

Don't you want to discuss it?

Why did you start this thread?

 

[Chaplain David]

Nice questions, and highly relevant to God's Truth (as opposed to what Zaac wants us to think is true).

But I'll bet you 5,000 blessings against 100 of your own that if anyone answers the quoted question before this post goes up, they will only quote the second half of what He said -- and focus on "sin no more."

There's some perverse condition among some people that makes them unwilling to allow that God might grant forgiveness to anyone else or on different terms than they themelves would. (In some circles, this is called having a carnal spirit. )

OK, I even included more of John, do I get the blessings?

7 But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them,

"He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8 And again He stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And when they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the midst. 10

And straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?" 11 And she said, "No one, Lord."

And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go your way. From now on sin no more ."]

12 Again therefore Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world; he who follows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life." 13 The Pharisees therefore said to Him, "You are bearing witness of Yourself; Your witness is not true." 14 Jesus answered and said to them, "Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true; for I know where I came from, and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from, or where I am going. 15 "You people judge according to the flesh; I am not judging anyone. 16 "But even if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone in it, but I and He who sent Me. 17 "Even in your law it has been written, that the testimony of two men is true. 18 "I am He who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me." 19 And so they were saying to Him, "Where is Your Father?" Jesus answered, "You know neither Me, nor My Father; if you knew Me, you would know My Father also." 20 These words He spoke in the treasury, as He taught in the temple; and no one seized Him, because His hour had not yet come.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Dear Mrs. catlover:

Recent research at the FNM Institute has revealed that these passages all mean that Homosexuality is bad.

~s/ Dr. George Mayatesnomas

What did Jesus say to the people who wanted to stone the woman caught in adultry?

What did Jesus say to the woman caught in adultery? Wasn't it go and sin no more, not sin all you want?

What did Jesus mean when he dined with tax collectors?

I be thinking he meant what He said, it is the sick that needs a doctor.

What did Jesus mean when he used a Samaritan as an example of Christlike behavior?

Well lets see since he told the story of the good Samaritan after being ask who our neighbors are...........the person who ask the question was ask after Jesus told the story who he thought the neighbor was, and he answered the one who showed mercy.

So is it merciful to warn someone of hell? Is it merciful to try and keep someone from going there by explaining that we all need forgiveness so we won't end up there?

CaDan,

Sorry but the scriptures mean that all sin and need forgiveness, and that because of the mercy and grace of our Lord we can all have it. IMHO. The only thing that homosexuality has in common with these passages is that it is just one of the sins that some need forgiveness from.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Nice questions, and highly relevant to God's Truth (as opposed to what Zaac wants us to think is true).

But I'll bet you 5,000 blessings against 100 of your own that if anyone answers the quoted question before this post goes up, they will only quote the second half of what He said -- and focus on "sin no more."

There's some perverse condition among some people that makes them unwilling to allow that God might grant forgiveness to anyone else or on different terms than they themelves would. (In some circles, this is called having a carnal spirit. )

Or they could think that both parts have equally important meaning and so they get confuse wondering why only the one part means anything to some people.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Beat them into submission. Flog the truth into them. Harrass them until they change their mind.

(Some of the things my pastor said that wouldn't work to bring someone to Christ.)

Now see... "do unto others" would come in handy here. How do Christians feel when atheists do that to them?

Case closed.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

If Jesus were walking the Earth today, you can bet he would be hanging out with homosexuals, people with AIDS, people suffering from depression, and other "undesirables" of the world.

And fundamentalists would be calling for his death.

Don't forget prostitutes, nutcases and daimonizomai.
God LOVES His afflicted ones. He cares for Us.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

But I'll bet you 5,000 blessings against 100 of your own that if anyone answers the quoted question before this post goes up, they will only quote the second half of what He said -- and focus on "sin no more."

So predictable!! they ALWAYS do that. Like they cannot let anyone enjoy five seconds of feeling unconditional love and pure acceptance in Him before they have to start trying to drag everyone back under their subtle version of legalism / old covenant / a.k.a. "behavioral modification program for the flesh" all over again. MISERY LOVES COMPANY!!!! They can't MAKE themselves be perfect and they want everyone else to experience the same terror and stress over it that they do.

There's some perverse condition among some people that makes them unwilling to allow that God might grant forgiveness to anyone else or on different terms than they themelves would. (In some circles, this is called having a carnal spirit. )

You shall have to help Moriah find some of those circles....

 

[BreadAlone]

Don't forget prostitutes, nutcases and daimonizomai.
God LOVES His afflicted ones. He cares for Us.

If Jesus were walking the Earth today, you can bet he would be hanging out with homosexuals, people with AIDS, people suffering from depression, and other "undesirables" of the world.

And fundamentalists would be calling for his death.

Why would fundamentalists do that!?

Why would Christ hang around these people? BECAUSE THEY'RE SINNERS IN NEED OF HIM, THEIR SAVIOR!

You act as if we hate these people..if that were the case we woldn't care. Why try to get them to stop sinning? If we don't, they'll burn in hell and be punished forever. If we didn't like them, wouldn't we want this?

But rather, we attempt to teach the truth in love. Granted, sometimes the love is out of the equation, but all too often the liberals automatically claim there is no love because of the truth. That's their unorthodox error.

 

[Chaplain David]

Now see... "do unto others" would come in handy here. How do Christians feel when atheists do that to them?

Case closed.

I don't care for it Moriah. Love the Golden rule and Jesus' new commandments though.

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Do unto others as you would have them do unto you which means:

Treat other people with the concern and kindness you would like them to show toward you. This saying has come to be called the Golden Rule.

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Jesus' new commandments: Mark 12:30-31

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Why would fundamentalists do that!?

Why would Christ hang around these people? BECAUSE THEY'RE SINNERS IN NEED OF HIM, THEIR SAVIOR!

You act as if we hate these people..if that were the case we woldn't care. Why try to get them to stop sinning? If we don't, they'll burn in hell and be punished forever. If we didn't like them, wouldn't we want this?

But rather, we attempt to teach the truth in love. Granted, sometimes the love is out of the equation, but all too often the liberals automatically claim there is no love because of the truth. That's their unorthodox error.

If you REALLY cared you would NOT attempt to bind them eternally to the futility of "trying to stop sinning." NO ONE CAN JUST "STOP SINNING". If they could they would not need a Saviour. Shades of Paul's rebuke to the Galatians here, anyone?

1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3A re you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4 Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? 5 Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard? 6 Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."[a] 7 Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. 8 The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."[b] 9 So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."[c] 11 Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."​

That bes your unorthodox error -- toxic soteriology what drives honest souls to despair before hope ever gets born -- and that of your kith.

 

[Polycarp1]

What did Jesus say to the woman caught in adultery? Wasn't it go and sin no more, not sin all you want

See post #106 for the completequotation (plus some extra added information). I am thinking that it is the ultimate in brazen chutzpah to identify someone as sinning when one's Lord and Savior has said that He does not condemn them. YMMV.

I be thinking he meant what He said, it is the sick that needs a doctor.

Or maybe that everyone needs Him, and that there's nobody who is too sinful for Him to come in and abide with them. This little routine of us righteous vs. them sinners is the exact game the Pharisees played, and we know what He had to say about them doing it.

Well lets see since he told the story of the good Samaritan after being ask who our neighbors are...........the person who ask the question was ask after Jesus told the story who he thought the neighbor was, and he answered the one who showed mercy.

So who didn't show mercy? Did Jesus have a point in making them the ones who pass by in His story? What did the Jews think of the Samaritans, anyway? Was there a point in making the one who did show mercy a Samaritan? What was it? What lesson can we learn from this about whom God wants us to love and show mercy to?

So is it merciful to warn someone of hell? Is it merciful to try and keep someone from going there by explaining that we all need forgiveness so we won't end up there?

If I were to tell you, or Zaac, that you were being self-righteous jerks in how you're behaving in this thread, and in danger of incurring His judgment in the measure you are evidently judging others, would I be showing you mercy, or flaming you? Does the Golden Rule have anything to say about what true Christian behavior in such circumstance ought to be?

(Please note that this is NOT an attack; it's an effort to share my perspective on the points at dispute by asking pointed questions regarding what is true Christian behavior according to the teachings of Jesus Christ Himself.

Sorry but the scriptures mean that all sin and need forgiveness, and that because of the mercy and grace of our Lord we can all have it. IMHO. The only thing that homosexuality has in common with these passages is that it is just one of the sins that some need forgiveness from.

There's one other thing: they're all stories where people were judged sinners and ostracized by the "good righteous folk" around them -- just as gay people are today.

But, as Zaac says, if you don't have the Holy Spirit working in you to guide you to truth, you won't get the point.

 

[Zaac]

What did Jesus say to the people who wanted to stone the woman caught in adultry?

What did Jesus mean when he dined with tax collectors?

What did Jesus mean when he used a Samaritan as an example of Christlike behavior?

What do you think He meant? Go ahead and tell me so that I can go ahead and correct ya.

 

[Zaac]

Why do so many think science and experience top Godly things? I have heard so many say if it can be proved by science then they believe it, no matter what God says.

Whatever happened to faith in God and His Word?

Whatever happened to God, said it that settles it?

Hope you are having a blessed day.

Saved, it's just a bunch of mess. Just as God's Word says, they suppress the truth, and He gives them over to the sinful desires of their hearts.

That's why the homosexuals and the ones who would affirm their sin continue to deny the truth as given in God's Word. They'll make excuses about it being "our interpretation" that they have a problem with, or that it's a bad translation or any other excuse they can come up with that allows them to sin.

 

[praying]

An interesting thought here: my pastor told me about a study that shows a gay-sex experience changes a person's thought processes. I don't know the full extent of it though.

And yuor pastor knows this how?

 

[Chaplain David]

If you REALLY cared you would NOT attempt to bind them eternally to the futility of "trying to stop sinning." NO ONE CAN JUST "STOP SINNING". If they could they would not need a Saviour. Shades of Paul's rebuke to the Galatians here, anyone?

1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3A re you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4 Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? 5 Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard? 6 Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."[a] 7 Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. 8 The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."[b] 9 So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.​

10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."[c] 11 Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."​

That bes your unorthodox error -- toxic soteriology what drives honest souls to despair before hope ever gets born -- and that of your kith.

My take on it is that it's not the trying to stop sinning that is the hardest, it is the stopping that is hard. Pauls compassion and humanity shine through in Romans chapter 7 when he talks about his own problems of sinning, his battles between good and evil, and of course the salvation, deliverance from sin that came from and comes through Christ Jesus.

Clearly if one of the original Apostles of our Lord had difficulty with sinning, certainly I will have problems as well. And I do. There may be Christians who do not sin. But I have never met one. Despite our best efforts here on earth, the battle between good and evil will continue until it is settled by Christ once and for all.

 

[BreadAlone]

If you REALLY cared you would NOT attempt to bind them eternally to the futility of "trying to stop sinning." NO ONE CAN JUST "STOP SINNING". If they could they would not need a Saviour. Shades of Paul's rebuke to the Galatians here, anyone?

1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3A re you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4 Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? 5 Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard? 6 Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."[a] 7 Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. 8 The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."[b] 9 So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."[c] 11 Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."​

That bes your unorthodox error -- toxic soteriology what drives honest souls to despair before hope ever gets born -- and that of your kith.

I guess you just ignore the words of Christ, then?

15"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

18"I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. 19"Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 20For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."