Homosexuality and Suppression of the Truth

[Crazy Liz]

See ya lack the Holy Spirit so you have no understanding of the things of the Spirit.

Those absent the Holy Spirit interpret. We who know Christ know Truth because it is discerned in our spirits by Him and completely aligned with the FULL of His Word.

I understand that your world of trying to understand and interpret with your own mind have left you dazed and confused as to the way of Christ.

But those in Christ expect those not indwelled by the Holy Spirit to act that way.

How convenient for you, never having to listen to anyone else because the Holy Spirit always confirms what you believe and if anyone disagrees with you, that proves they do not have the Holy Spirit.

 

[Ohioprof]

More suppression of the truth. Keep on testifying and showing why God's Word is true.

What suppression of truth am I engaging in? I am simply noting the fact that people fornicating is nothing new. And loving a spouse within a marriage is not "fornication."

 

[Joykins]

Secondly, there is disagreement on whether it is something is relatively new to society or has always been a part.

Which society and when? Some societies accepted different aspects of homosexuality and some of them killed or strongly condemned gays.

 

[Zaac]

Sorry but there exists no hermetically sealed vacuum chamber where the Holy Spirit mysteriously supplants your own mind's reality-parsing functions. If the Holy Spirit operates discernment in someone He operates through that person's mind, not bypassing that person's mind. A person's own mind and perceptions CANNOT be hermetically sealed and contained in a safe vacuum where they will not affect things for they BES the very medium upon which and through which the Spirit of God (or any other spirit) bes operative.

See you're thinking in the flesh. To have the mind of Christ, you gotta walk in the Spirit. Don't mix your fleshly mind with what the one that is in the Spirit does.

Having the Holy Spirit does NOT release any human being from the prison of having to use his own brain. Otherwise, with WHAT apparatus would you even perceive the Spirit to start with? And through what apparatus would you experience Him?

You're still thinking about what your fleshly mind does nd not what the spirit does.

The human mind has never been removed from the inspiration process.

Who said anything about inspiration? we were talking about walking in the Spirit.

P.S. The Holy Spirit does not inspire people to go around comparing themselves to others and boasting they have the Holy Spirit and others do not and therefore they bes better than them, etc. etc. So by some of the behavior here demonstrated by those what consider themselves to have the Holy Spirit it would have to say they've been hoodwinked.

p.s. The Holy Spirit is the deliverer of truth. There hs been no boasting taking place. why would I or any other Christian boast that someone is not indwelled by the Holy Spirit? It just is what it is as has been testified to.

 

[Crazy Liz]

I'm not expert on this, but I'm not sure the brain works as simply as described. It's not as simple as BAD THING destroys brain cells GOOD thing creates brain cells.
From what I do know, the bit about associations is more accurate. The brain is a web of information cross linked in ways we don't totally understand yet. We know that sexual associations are the strongest though because they activate a much older part of the brain.

Of course it's not that simple.

Just examples that every memory and every trauma has an effect on the circuits of the brain, and there is more than one kind of possible effect.

 

[CaDan]

I don't know, CaDan...I read Crossan's _The Birth of Christianity_ and after reading that Angelina Jolie started looking "hot" to me. I thought I was coming down with teh gay but it turned out to be a summer cold and too many naps on the bus.

Dear Mrs. Joykins:

You are in severe danger of falling prey to both Lesbianism and Witchcraft. The root cause of this is not just reading certain books, it is reading anything at all. Recent research indicates that literacy in women tends to cause rebellion against husbandly authority and independent thought in general. Both of these things can lead one into the dangers of Lesbianism and Witchcraft.

As a preventive measure, I recommend you immediately commence a program of forgetting how to read.

~s/ Dr. George Mayatesnomas

 

[Zaac]

That bes your interpretation of what you read, yes.
Even JC recognizes the component when He questions, "What is written in the law? How readest thou?" (Luke 10:26). He recognizes both components exist and bes separate: (a) what bes actually written; (b) how someone reads it.

You can't argue with JC; He da man.

Who is arguing? If I'm quoting Scripture, it's saying what it says. There is no interpretation taking place by me. Just repeating what He says.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

How convenient for you, never having to listen to anyone else because the Holy Spirit always confirms what you believe and if anyone disagrees with you, that proves they do not have the Holy Spirit.

The cure for this ailment bes dire indeed. But worth it in the end. Makes all the difference in the world to be able to name one's captors and trace the contours of one's prison ... rather than to be blind and confined.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

See you're thinking in the flesh. To have the mind of Christ, you gotta walk in the Spirit. Don't mix your fleshly mind with what the one that is in the Spirit does.

If you imagine that you never err in your comprehension of the meaning of scripture, you yourself bes doing just that.

You're still thinking about what your fleshly mind does and not what the spirit does.

That bes because it bes speaksy to one what seems to be unawares of the activity of the fleshly mind and thus setting himself up for ensnaring himself by mistaking its products for the products of the Spirit.

p.s. The Holy Spirit is the deliverer of truth. There hs been no boasting taking place. why would I or any other Christian boast that someone is not indwelled by the Holy Spirit? It just is what it is as has been testified to.

You might want to try reading some of your words AFTER taking yourself out of here and getting some breath & distance, then praying, then asking God to show you how you sound to others.

Just a thought.

 

[catlover]

See you're thinking in the flesh. To have the mind of Christ, you gotta walk in the Spirit. Don't mix your fleshly mind with what the one that is in the Spirit does.



You're still thinking about what your fleshly mind does nd not what the spirit does.



Who said anything about inspiration? we were talking about walking in the Spirit.



p.s. The Holy Spirit is the deliverer of truth. There hs been no boasting taking place. why would I or any other Christian boast that someone is not indwelled by the Holy Spirit? It just is what it is as has been testified to.

Walking in the spirit means attempting to think as Jesus does, correct?

That would mean behaving with compassion and being moved to pity by another's suffering.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Dear Mrs. Joykins:

You are in severe danger of falling prey to both Lesbianism and Witchcraft. The root cause of this is not just reading certain books, it is reading anything at all. Recent research indicates that literacy in women tends to increase cause rebellion against husbandly authority and independent thought in general. Both of these things can lead one into the dangers of Lesbianism and Witchcraft.

As a preventive measure, I recommend you immediately commence a program of forgetting how to read.

~s/ Dr. George Mayatesnomas

It wants a customized CaDan Snarky Advice Letter TOO. *pout*

 

[Zaac]

I just want to point out something this thread should focus on...

First, we don't have a clear definition of what homosexual fornication is, there seems to be some disagreement on this

Biblically Jamie, fornication(heterosexual and homosexual) is any sexual intercourse that takes place outside of God's ordained marriage between a husband and wife.

Secondly, there is disagreement on whether it is something is relatively new to society or has always been a part.

Actually there is no disagreement to this. Sexual immorality has been around for a long time. Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed examples this.

As with the people then, the same reigns true today. They suppressed the truth as to what God says they should do, and He passed judgment and gave them over to the sinful desires of their hearts.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Walking in the spirit means attempting to think as Jesus does, correct?

That would mean behaving with compassion and being moved to pity by another's suffering.

Houston, we have a winner. Give that lovely person a gold seven-rayed star.

 

[Zaac]

How convenient for you, never having to listen to anyone else because the Holy Spirit always confirms what you believe and if anyone disagrees with you, that proves they do not have the Holy Spirit.

That appears to be the assumption YOU made. It's not anything that I said.

 

[Zaac]

Walking in the spirit means attempting to think as Jesus does, correct?

That would mean behaving with compassion and being moved to pity by another's suffering.

Nope. Walking in the Spirit means just that: walking in the Spirit.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

That appears to be the assumption YOU made. It's not anything that I said.

Perhaps not but neither bes it an assumption on Liz' part. It bes the natural conclusion arising from putting together everything you bes posting here. Your posts put forth your viewpoint, declare it the Word of God, then whenever someone disagrees with either you doing that or with your POV you declare them "suppressing the truth", ipso facto devoid of the Holy Spirit.

Honestly, it finds it difficult to believe (a) you bes not posting this way as a parody on purpose embodying a stereotype; (b) you honestly cannot see yourself doing this in your posts nor recognize how your posts sound that way to others.
If for real, it bes a big blind spot, that.

 

[jamielindas]

Biblically Jamie, fornication(heterosexual and homosexual) is any sexual intercourse that takes place outside of God's ordained marriage between a husband and wife.



Actually there is no disagreement to this. Sexual immorality has been around for a long time. Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed examples this.

As with the people then, the same reigns true today. They suppressed the truth as to what God says they should do, and He passed judgment and gave them over to the sinful desires of their hearts.

Thank you for your excellent response.
Why do you think some disagree with your definition of fornication? Can you site where your got your definition from?

Your statement about ordained marriage is confusing because I'm not sure you can have homosexual fornication between a man and wife. Or were you implying that you accept homosexual activities if these homosexuals are in a marriage ordained by God? You're for gay marriage?

 

[Crazy Liz]

Biblically Jamie, fornication(heterosexual and homosexual) is any sexual intercourse that takes place outside of God's ordained marriage between a husband and wife.

Really? Can you show me this from the Bible?

 

[Crazy Liz]

That appears to be the assumption YOU made. It's not anything that I said.

Fair enough. Perhaps I did jump to a conclusion.

How was it you knew immediately that everyone here who has disagreed with you did not have the Holy Spirit?

 

[CaDan]

It wants a customized CaDan Snarky Advice Letter TOO. *pout*

Dear Mrs. Moriah_Conquering_Wind:

Your request for customized advice has been brought to my attention. Due to the dangers of uncleanliness and abomination, I must request you make such requests through your male headship covering, such as a husband, father, or brother. In the absence of such, please provide a notarized statement by your physician that you are not currently unclean due to blood or emission of seed.

~s/ Dr. George Mayatesnomas