helping others by getting vaccine

[JulieB67]

immunity from getting covid is not going to last as long as the vaccine i.e. vaccine is holding up & some reports say it could last 2-3 yrs

You can't know that for everyone. I am at a year and 1/2 myself. And I've seen some reports that say some of the vaccines might not even last 6 months. As I've said, the studies go back and forth and only time will truly tell.

do you think those who had covid will have immunity 2-3 yrs?

I've seen some studies that state it's possible and even longer. As I said, for myself personally I'm at 15 months.

I'm not stating I can't get Covid again, we both know that both of us still can but the body definitely will recognize it, that's how immune systems work. Supposedly the vacccinated who get it will be in the same boat and the infection is supposed to be less symptoms, etc. But which will be able to fight the varients, etc.? Again, I've seen studies that pit both sides against each other.

ETA I've already seen the flip flop from last year about people that have the antibodies should still get the vaccine. Again, that's the agenda no matter what if you've not realized that. But I have to go with the proof at this point of what my own body is doing. That's something I can believe in.

And as I said, do they really care about herd immunity at this point, no.

 

[mama2one]

nm

 

[JulieB67]

you may still be protected but only for the covid you had per several articles
so you're not protected from any variants

Again, I've seen articles stating both sides.

ETA and some might need more shots to fight the varients. I've seen those articles as well.

 

[Mark Quayle]

we have a moral obligation as Christians to do what's right during this PUBLIC health crisis

we are not to act as individuals but be one to help bring this pandemic to an end

we need herd immunity

If they really cared about "herd immunity" they would be pushing for more antibody tests. We are probably closer to that in reality but the push is for vaccines, that is the agenda. Millions have aquired natural immunity which probably lasts longer than the vaccines I don't care what the numereous studies have shown, I have seen others going to the other side. The vaccines only wish they could do what the natural body can do. Especially when certain cells settle in the bone marrow pumping out more antibodies. Amazing stuff that only continues to declare how amazing our Father is.

Seems to me if herd immunity were what 'they' were after, they wouldn't depend on a vaccine that works for 2 or 3 months or even a year. If herd immunity was the way to go, they would've gone the way of Sweden on this, and the delta variant (and who knows how far up the alphabet they plan on going) may not even have shown up.

Sweden (population 10 million +) has had 1.3% deaths (compared to cases, not to number of people) with a 7-day average in the middle of last month about 250 new cases, and currently 643 new cases. Not that much different from US, without shutting down their economy, and their numbers would most likely have been MUCH better if their neighbors had done the same, going for herd immunity rather than drawing out the longevity of the panic. Why do we no long hear the term, "flattening the curve"?
Sweden current covid stats - Google Search

 

[JulieB67]

Seems to me if herd immunity were what 'they' were after, they wouldn't depend on a vaccine that works for 2 or 3 months or even a year.

Exactly.

Why do we no long hear the term, "flattening the curve"

Seems to have went out the door along with everything else they use to talk about at first. It's all about the vaccine push no matter what. And they're hoping everyone has very short memories and just goes along with the constant contradictions week to week. And many are.

 

[Strathos]

Flattening the curve was a strategy to prevent overwhelming medical facilities back when we had no vaccine and the only tools we had to fight the virus were mask wearing and social distancing. We have effective vaccines now, so obviously the strategy has changed.

 

[Newwave]

I think people should do what they want to do. But in my opinion is very dumb to be unvaccinated.

I am typically very conspiracy minded and have my concerns with vaccines. However after some research I decided the benefits far outweigh the negatives and received 2 doses of the vaccine.

I have not experienced any health issues since.

So if you are unvaccinated don’t blame us when you get sick and possibly die. It’s your own fault. Also don’t blame people wearing masks for caring about their own health as well as the health of others.

I think this virus will ‘cull the herd’ and many of the stupid people will die, thus making the gene pool stronger. Survival of the fittest. It happens among all species.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Those that choose to avoid vaccination have an accountability that is different than the patients that did NOT choose to get sick.

That sentence is illogical. No one makes the choice to get sick.

Some got ill with Covid in the beginning, some more recently, through various contacts. Millions have already been were exposed and had no illness at all, and are very unlikely to get ill again. We must include these millions in herd immunity.

Some got ill (heart inflammation, etc) from the vaccine, and some have died. Others have no noticeable reaction at all, though long term effects are entirely unknown. Time will tell.

So really, it is a choice to be made by an individual, given his own and family risks, in conjunction with his own doctor. Like every other sort of medical decision.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

I think people should do what they want to do. But in my opinion is very dumb to be unvaccinated.

I am typically very conspiracy minded and have my concerns with vaccines. However after some research I decided the benefits far outweigh the negatives and received 2 doses of the vaccine.

I have not experienced any health issues since.

So if you are unvaccinated don’t blame us when you get sick and possibly die. It’s your own fault. Also don’t blame people wearing masks for caring about their own health as well as the health of others.

I think this virus will ‘cull the herd’ and many of the stupid people will die, thus making the gene pool stronger. Survival of the fittest. It happens among all species.

It's no one's fault. It's no more anyone's fault now than those unfortunate early victims who just got unlucky. Few are -or were- taking active steps to contract the virus.

No one should blame anyone else, with the possible exception of someone who intentionally weaponizes the illness, as in knowing he is ill and intentionally exposing others to close contact, as some did with AIDS, back in the day (thinking of the Kimberly Bergalis case, in particular, where she was most likely intentionally infected by her own dentist).

No one will know for sure, but the dentist had conversations with associates about how AIDS "wouldn't get attention until grandmothers and young people" started getting it. Then his patients did.

It's not like AIDS was spread widely by health care workers, either. FRIEND OF FLORIDA DENTIST CONCLUDES PATIENTS WERE DELIBERATELY

So get rid of blame. It's no more appropriate here than it is in any other illness.

 

[Newwave]

It's no one's fault. It's no more anyone's fault now than those unfortunate early victims who just got unlucky. Few are -or were- taking active steps to contract the virus. .

Yes, it is there fault ! if you choose to not get a vaccine and you get the virus…guess what? That is YOUR FAULT.

You have no one to blame except YOURSELF. Take responsibility for your actions and inactions.

stay safe.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Yes, it is there fault ! if you choose to not get a vaccine and you get the virus…guess what? That is YOUR FAULT.

You have no one to blame except YOURSELF. Take responsibility for your actions and inactions.

stay safe.

What if you got the vaccine, and still got Covid? Still your fault? What if you got the jab and spread Covid around to vulnerable people? Still your fault?

What if you had Covid already and have immunities?

Everyone is taking responsibility for his own actions by his own choices. He or she knows the possibilities. All life is a risk. You get to choose your risks. Taking the vaccine may help some, and kill or harm others. Not taking the vaccine may help some (allergic or auto-immune compromised) and hurt others (if he contracts and spreads it).


https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-thousands-vaccinated-people-infected-covid-.html

Interestingly, still mostly older people and women who are most affected.

 

[mama2one]

Not taking the vaccine may help some (allergic or auto-immune compromised)

how would not taking vaccine help immunocompromised??


fortunately, they have been approved 3rd vaccine

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/13/cov...mits-third-dose-for-the-immune-deficient.html

 

[Newwave]

What if you got the vaccine, and still got Covid? Still your fault? What if you got the jab and spread Covid around to vulnerable people? Still your fault?

What if you had Covid already and have immunities?

Everyone is taking responsibility for his own actions by his own choices. He or she knows the possibilities. All life is a risk. You get to choose your risks. Taking the vaccine may help some, and kill or harm others. Not taking the vaccine may help some (allergic or auto-immune compromised) and hurt others (if he contracts and spreads it).

Guess what? if you have 2 vaccine doses and get COVID guess what your chances of dying from it are?? The answer is less than 0.001 %. Look it up genius.


So everything you’re saying is completely illogical. You can’t even form a coherent argument. Sounds to me like you are anti-vax but you have serious doubts about your own beliefs and are on the fence about it.

again, I don’t care what you do. If you choose to be unvaccinated and get sick and die than don’t say you weren’t warned. Just don’t get anyone else sick in the process!

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

how would not taking vaccine help immunocompromised??


fortunately, they have been approved 3rd vaccine

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/13/cov...mits-third-dose-for-the-immune-deficient.html

Some have died from taking the vaccine and/or shortly thereafter. Some have had anaphylactic responses. Some are allergic to the ingredients. Those people would have been better off to do nothing.

 

[mama2one]

Some are allergic to the ingredients.

Allergy to COVID-19 vaccines: A current update

"analyses provided by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in the United States have estimated the rates of anaphylactic reactions in 2.5 and 11.1 per million of mRNA-1273 and BNT162b2 vaccines administered, respectively."

 

[mama2one]

2.5 and 11.1 per million

 

[Strathos]

2.5 and 11.1 per million

Which is a lot lower than the rate of allergy to peanuts. And a lot more people die from that too.

 

[classical5]

The fact is the the vaccine is highly protective, far better to be vaccinated than nonvaccinated. If you don't want to be vaccinated then don't come burdening the healthcare system when you get sick.

And if it turns out this untested experimental vaccine causes serious long term health problems don’t burden the healthcare system with your irresponsibility.

 

[KCfromNC]

And if it turns out this untested experimental vaccine causes serious long term health problems don’t burden the healthcare system with your irresponsibility.

And if frogs had wings...

 

[classical5]

And if frogs had wings...

CDC said Zostovax shingles vax was safe, big tv promo and everything, until years later people started going blind. Zostovax has an unprecedented 2 black box warnings from the FDA and had to be quietly replaced with Shingrix vax.

And even after all their lies on covid you trust them?