helping others by getting vaccine

[KCfromNC]

So just torture them into submission? Just kill them if they won’t do what you want them to do? Because that’s what you and others are proposing.

Posting falsehoods about things that are easily checked - for example, comparing these false claims against what I actually wrote - is just going to hurt the credibility of future posts on the subject.

 

[classical5]

I don't know, some people might think that a vastly higher death rate for getting natural immunity would matter.

You ignore the unknown nature and risk of the vaccine. A vax that has been out less than 1 year, uses new tech never before used in humans or on any large population. And is highly politicized.

 

[KCfromNC]

Read post 145.

Some people want the govt to work through proxies, the govt gets its way by coercing/forcing businesses & banks to implement the govt agenda. Exactly what is happening today.

Exactly what the Nazis did.

And also what the US government did to improve workplace and food safety. It is weird you seem to imply that enforcing various rules and regulations is something that most governments don't do.

 

[classical5]

Posting falsehoods about things that are easily checked - for example, comparing these false claims against what I actually wrote - is just going to hurt the credibility of future posts on the subject.

Read YOUR POST #145. You propose exactly what I have described.



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[KCfromNC]

You ignore the unknown nature and risk of the vaccine.

And you ignore the unknown nature and risk of not getting the vaccine. That's kinda what people should do about things which aren't known to exist - give them much less weight than the risks we do know about. And in this case, there's simply no contest, catching covid to get natural immunity is vastly more risky than the vaccine.

 

[KCfromNC]

Read YOUR POST #145. You propose exactly what I have described.

Post 145 says nothing about torturing or killing people. Why make things up like that?

 

[classical5]

And also what the US government did to improve workplace and food safety. It is weird you seem to imply that enforcing various rules and regulations is something that most governments don't do.

When govt is by and for the people it is good. When govt is tyrannical and forces it’s own agenda on the population it is bad.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Post 145 says nothing about torturing or killing people. Why make things up like that?

You expect him to make his point with only the truth? That's unfair...

 

[TLK Valentine]

Read post 145.

Some people want the govt to work through proxies, the govt gets its way by coercing/forcing businesses & banks to implement the govt agenda. Exactly what is happening today.

Exactly what the Nazis did.

You would prefer direct government intervention in your life?

 

[classical5]

Post 145 says nothing about torturing or killing people. Why make things up like that?

You don’t come right out and say it, but you propose using business and insurance companies to punish people who do not obey your policies.

That’s the theme of many posts in this thread.

Denigrate and punish people who won’t do what you want them to do.

In the OT people who had leprosy (a serious disease) were quarantined but family and friends were expected to care for them. People had compassion and pity for them. A lot of people in these vaccine threads are the opposite of compassion and pity. The opposite of the Christian attitude as well.

 

[classical5]

You would prefer direct government intervention in your life?

If the govt puts a gun to my head, or the govt puts a gun to your head and makes you put a gun to my head, is there a difference?

 

[KCfromNC]

You don’t come right out and say it, but you propose using business and insurance companies to punish people who do not obey your policies.

None of which has anything to do with your implications that I endorsed torturing or killing people. Keep on trying to fit those words in my mouth, though.

I'm reminded here of the first rule of finding oneself in a hole.

 

[KCfromNC]

When govt is by and for the people it is good. When govt is tyrannical and forces it’s own agenda on the population it is bad.

Whew, that a relief. In this case the agenda is coming from health care professionals and other experts in infectious disease. So we're in the clear ... for now (ominous music, fade to black).

 

[TLK Valentine]

You don’t come right out and say it, but you propose using business and insurance companies to punish people who do not obey your policies.

Whose policies?

 

[KCfromNC]

Whose policies?

My policies, obviously.

Oh, you didn't know that I run all of the insurance agencies and private businesses in the US? Plus I have a bunch of free time to post here.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If the govt puts a gun to my head, or the govt puts a gun to your head and makes you put a gun to my head, is there a difference?

No guns -- literal or figurative -- are being put to anyone's head. The rules are what they have always been -- whether you educate yourself on them or not.

Businesses have the right to set rules regarding the people they sign paychecks for, citing health and safety reasons. The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has allowed employers to mandate the flu vaccine, among many others, to employees to protect the safety and well-being of the workforce from a "direct threat" -- provided, of course, they allow people to opt out based on the Americans with Disabilities Act, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act and other federal laws that bar a mandate for medical or religious reasons.

The COVID vaccine is no different -- merely one more item to add to a list which is clearly far longer than you were aware.

 

[classical5]

No guns -- literal or figurative -- are being put to anyone's head. The rules are what they have always been -- whether you educate yourself on them or not.

No “guns” are being put to peoples heads? Can’t go into any store without a vax passport, can’t keep your job without a vax passport, that’s not forcing people?

Businesses have the right to set rules regarding the people they sign paychecks for, citing health and safety reasons. The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has allowed employers to mandate the flu vaccine, among many others, to employees to protect the safety and well-being of the workforce from a "direct threat" -- provided, of course, they allow people to opt out based on the Americans with Disabilities Act, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act and other federal laws that bar a mandate for medical or religious reasons.

The COVID vaccine is no different -- merely one more item to add to a list which is clearly far longer than you were aware.

Few businesses require the flu vax.

Whether you like it or not, there is a lot of medical concern over the vax. So you will support people not taking the vax for medical and religious reasons? If so, that’s quite a change from the attitudes in these vax threads.

Finally, mandating the often totally ineffective flu vaccine (see CDC flu site for effectiveness- or lack thereof) is wrong. Mandating covid vax is wrong. Two wrongs don’t make it right.

 

[classical5]

Whew, that a relief. In this case the agenda is coming from health care professionals and other experts in infectious disease. So we're in the clear ... for now (ominous music, fade to black).

Who is directing the show? CDC, NIH, Congress, the whitehouse. You can’t be that blind. Or can you be?

 

[TLK Valentine]

No “guns” are being put to peoples heads? Can’t go into any store without a vax passport, can’t keep your job without a vax passport, that’s not forcing people?

That's not happening in the US. Calm down, count to twenty, and discuss some actual issues.

Few businesses require the flu vax.

Neverthess, businesses have the right to do so, whether they choose to exercise it or not.

Whether you like it or not, there is a lot of medical concern over the vax.

Intelligent medical concern, or the paranoid rantings of people who got their pharmaceutical certification from the University of Facebook?

So you will support people not taking the vax for medical and religious reasons? If so, that’s quite a change from the attitudes in these vax threads.

The law protects -- and has always protected -- such people, within reason, of course.

If you have a medical exemption, you need to provide documentation from a doctor -- a real doctor; not Phil, Oz, or Seuss.
If you have a religious exemption, you're going to need to cite chapter and verse.

Some people cite religious exemptions to certain vaccines because they were made with fetal stem cells, which goes against their pro-life views. Fair enough, but none of the Covid vaccines use them, so that exemption won't wash.

Finally, mandating the often totally ineffective flu vaccine (see CDC flu site for effectiveness- or lack thereof) is wrong. Mandating covid vax is wrong. Two wrongs don’t make it right.

That's nice. Might I suggest you write your congressperson to change the laws, then?

 

[KCfromNC]

Who is directing the show? CDC, NIH, Congress, the whitehouse. You can’t be that blind. Or can you be?

Ah yeah, the you're a sheep for not believing in conspiracy theories that the post can't even articulate approach. That's going to be less than convincing.