Hello all! Are we (believers) the bad guys?

[Ringo84]

Responding to the most recent posts; last in, first out.

Funny how people who hate Trump say he's lying when he brags about something that makes him look good ... and yet so ready to believe the worst when it's something that makes him look bad.

Three reasons for this:
1. He has no credibility
2. He hasn't earned my respect
3. Given what we know about Trump, a lot of it is perfectly believable.

Well, if I could, I would shake your hand...You are a rare and respectable man.

I don't know about that, but I strive to be consistent when it comes to what I believe vs how I live. I believe that people should be treated how I would want to be treated, so I try to behave that way. I believe that women are my equals, and so I try to behave that way.

Nope, I did not pardon him from it

Your argument is essentially "Well, Trump's bad but a lot of men do that. So he gets a pass". I can't give him a pass. His bragging about grabbing women and kissing them without their permission betrays an attitude that women are objects, and that doesn't fly with me.
Ringo

 

[D2wing]

I think you have made a point that what Trump said in a private conversation was unacceptable. To base the future of our country on that is a little on the stupid side. We all know that a strong Christian President is not likely, and being one like Carter does not make one a good President. I think most of us recognize Trump's flaws and are skeptical that he is truly Christian.. The office of President is much more than that.
Unlike the other candidate, Trump supports Christian values, and also a stronger nation in everyway. The other party works for Soros and a one world government without compassion in Soros own words. And that means that they intend the U.S. to decline as evidenced by the last 8 years. The one world government is a set up to antichrist. Also the other party is pro abortion (murder), is pro rights and immorality that contradict the Bible and the intent is to use new laws to attack Christians. This is all evident.
If you are a Christian and by definition believe the Bible, You have little choice but to support Trump. Also as a patriot Trump is a clear choice. There is more to it but I suspect that if you against Trump as the lessor of evils, and you are a Christian you are misguided. Since you insist on making a judgement based on a small error in judgement that he says he regrets and ignoring the whole picture I disregard you arguments as silly and unchristian. Perhaps you are not a Christian at all, I do not know.
Now many Christians are old time liberals. I used to be one and an Officer in the Democratic party. About 20 years ago I realized that my party was run by Soros, and that the long term agenda was anti Christian. This was sad as I was rising in the party and was being told to run for office. With sadness I withdrew from my positions. The things I for saw years ago have come to pass and it is just a start.
Do you wonder why both Obama and Clinton have very close advisors that are Muslim Brotherhood? How do you think this fits in with true liberal values. Knowing what I know this signals the goal of the elitists. The real intent is above all to destroy Christianity.
You do not have to accept what I say. indeed I doubt you will even read it. But if you are Christian you need to be aware and think about what is going on.
Of course, if you are not Christian it doesn't matter much.

 

[JacksBratt]

Your argument is essentially "Well, Trump's bad but a lot of men do that. So he gets a pass". I can't give him a pass. His bragging about grabbing women and kissing them without their permission betrays an attitude that women are objects, and that doesn't fly with me.
Ringo

Well, my attitude is NOT:

"Well, Trump's bad but a lot of men do that. So he gets a pass"

It is one of the biggest problems here... reading comprehension.

My attitude is "try to get someone in office that is as squeaky clean as you demand".

Or, how about, "who would you have chosen to take the place he is in, who could stand up to your standards"?

In other words "Who is the person that you would have in this position instead of Trump"?

See that's the rub.... It's not his behavior, it's not his mistakes, it's not what he proposes to do for this country.....


Is it?

Cause... we all know that men in this position in the past, and women who desire it.... well...they have done things that would not pass your scrutiny either. Some have done far far worse.

What it is, is.... he's not the person you wanted....

Well, Trump is in power because, and only because, God allowed him to be.....

 

[Ringo84]

I think you have made a point that what Trump said in a private conversation was unacceptable. To base the future of our country on that is a little on the stupid side. We all know that a strong Christian President is not likely, and being one like Carter does not make one a good President. I think most of us recognize Trump's flaws and are skeptical that he is truly Christian.. The office of President is much more than that.
Unlike the other candidate, Trump supports Christian values

Cause... we all know that men in this position in the past, and women who desire it.... well...they have done things that would not pass your scrutiny either. Some have done far far worse.

What it is, is.... he's not the person you wanted....

Does he?

This really goes to the heart of my point: how you act in private, when you don't know that there are cameras or recording devices around, says a lot about who you are.

If we elect someone who brags about his utter lack of respect for women behind closed doors, a man who is said to assault women because he seems to see them as objects to be "won", then that's not the kind of man I want to be president.

This is a pattern of behavior for Trump, where he seems to lack empathy or regard for anyone else but himself. He just takes what he wants and then callously brags about how, as a celebrity, "they let you get away with it". If you don't act desirably deferential, he';; just go on Twitter and blast a tirade where he personally insults you.

It blows my mind that Christians defend this behavior with weak pronouncements about Trump supposedly supporting "Christian values". His entire life has been an example of how Christians shouldn't act, and in fact, how the Bible tells us not to act. His hard line on abortion (if he even believes it) doesn't make up for a lifetime of greed, narcissism, disproportional revenge against "enemies", insults aimed at those seen as "wronging" him, and lack of empathy. There is nothing "Christian" about Trump in any sense of the word that I've known in almost thirty-three years, and if that's the man behind whom some Christians are rallying behind in the 21st century, I'm not sure I want to be associated with Christianity either.

You can also make paltry excuses about Trump's behavior that boil down to "Well...nobody's perfect", but you know what? We can do better than Trump. If we want politics to improve in this country, and for our Congress and state legislatures to be filled with statesmen and -women who work for the people, then the first thing we need is to end the cynical, defeatist talk about how "nobody's perfect". There will never be a better class of men and women holding public office in this country (or elsewhere) if we don't demand better from our elected officials and hold them to a higher standard.
Ringo

 

[D2wing]

I don't argue that we can do better than Trump The problem is we did not. There is no alternative in the past election from either the Christian or patriot point of view. But since some of you have reported me for telling the truth there is no point in posting. No room for truth here, just political correctness which is of Satan. So ban me.

 

[FidelSandoval]

What, specifically, has Obama "messed up"?

Obama made gay marriage legal, he made marijuana legal and didn't stop abortions.

 

[Armoured]

Obama made gay marriage legal, he made marijuana legal and didn't stop abortions.

The Supreme Court made gay marriage legal, marijuana is still illegal, an no other President stopped abortions, either.

Anything else?

 

[FidelSandoval]

The Supreme Court made gay marriage legal, marijuana is still illegal, an no other President stopped abortions, either.

Anything else?

Trump and Pence seem to dislike abortions and feminism so they might take actions other presidents didn't do.

 

[Sketcher]

Terrorists were in those countries long before Obama's interventions.

And the interventions made it much worse.

 

[D2wing]

Well, you should ask yourself, whose side are you on anyway. Some of you are determined to oppose Christianity. And many seem to prefer the immoral over the Holiness and innocence. Degradation of immorality over Purity and side with the liberals in that camp. The Bible is pretty clear on these issues and if you oppose the Bible that is your choice. A bad one in my opinion. I don't see how anyone can view progressivism as anything other than the spirit of Antichrist. A main part of progressivism is to use social issues and perverted morality to attack Christians. I know this because I used to be one.
Is your commitment to the Bible or a warped man pleasing soft headedness and misplaced humanitarianism? Obama said in his book what he is about. Definitely anti Christian and his actions prove it. First of all, he lies about nearly everything, second he is about forcing Christians to violate their faith with no mercy. Thirdly he promotes immorality such as throwing out Chaplains in the Military and promoting sexual perversion to the point of giving medals to activists, prosecuting anyone that disagrees. Failure to enforce laws, thereby violating the Constitution and disregarding the Constitution on many issues. forcing all security agencies to disregard Muslim extremist and instead making them regard patriots and the enemy. The list goes on and on. He is an evil man and Hillary was corrupt to the core. Both are proved by leaked emails to puppets of Soros. Immoral and evil to the core.

 

[Blade]

Lately it seems like the majority is anti religion and anti God. Without God, what else is there? Nothing!

I have a feeling everything Donald Trump supports is everything that is right. He wants religion to play a bigger role in the US, he wants to make abortion illegal and he wants gay marriage illegal. This is a good decision that involves God and suddenly there is turmoil everywhere. What do the protesters want? A world of sin where they can do whatever they want and not have to take responsibility for their actions? That's all wrong.

What are your thoughts on the state of things? I think we're heading in a good direction but those protesters and activists need to go.

Well.. not everything. Trump is for GAY and other things God is not..yet Trump is STILL of God. We look and judge by what we SEE HEAR AND FEEL...God does not. And we can just look over the past 2 years and see GOD all over this and the WORLD does not like it. Yet and I dont mean Turmp .. but this was foretold. See Jesus is coming.. the Church is still here so our Father will move in a GREAT way before the antichrist comes out in the open.

To many are still waiting for JUDGEMENT.. yet not God. Hes out to save this world. And HE controls time. So Jesus could come NOW.. or in another 30y. God is out to SAVE ALL! We just dont look though His eyes.

So when ever GOD steps in.. when so many have been praying for years.. God heard.. and the enemy as we can see does NOT Like this. Trump is not like your so called if there is one.. a NORMAL believer. Yet I think this is coming. Trump will see GOD move that even Trump will bow and have to say GOD as he already has.. is moving. Its SO wonderful to hear "GOD BLESS" to say His name again. Sorry Father.. that WE hid you.. that we didnt listen. Yet like you did with Israel.. that is not following you.. that you put them back in there land for your name sake. They did nothing. Again... you do everything all all we can do is bow down and praise YOU. For YOU alone get all the glory.

I pray you keep your hand on Trump and those around him So they see YOU and that in that.. they come to know you as lord. Yes..what ever it takes in Jesus name

 

[Maria.V.H]

I think it´s very interesting following you Americans, i´m Danish and we have a hard time following Trump, a lot of us does not understand his ways, but maybe you are supposed to be American to understand. It seems we have different ways to follow the bible, and that is the beauty of it all i think, that people take what they think is right. To me, Jesus would not have a problem with abortion, nor homosexuality because he was not judgemental at all, he showed us love and mercy when no one else did. I believe that only one can judge us and that is God. I believe that We have a free will, a free life to explore, and choose whatever we find right. No one can say this is the only way, because no one knows, we are not God. I do believe in love, and i see love as the highest power, therefore i can not judge anyone and i accept everyone, this is what i want to believe in. I do not like to believe in a world where people put fences between each other, just because of their own egoism.

 

[D2wing]

Well, Maria, you may have a different view if you actually read what the Bible says about it. It is true that Jesus came to save us from out sins. That he promises to forgive our sins. But he doesn't tell us to continue in sin. He says that sin is defined by the law. That we have all sinned according to the law, that we must repent of our sins and follow him as Lord and sin no more. Also that there is judgement and resurrection. He also says that many who claim to be Christian will not be accepted by him. He said to be Holy as I am Holy. It is very common for liberals to say what Christians should believe and do, and common to say what you have said. Be we who are Christian understand that we cannot do our will but the will of the father. To love people and warn them the danger of their ways. To persuade if possible that they come to Christ and be saved. However it is common for liberal ideology to get in the way. That is the purpose of liberalism. It sounds good but really keeps people from the truth.

 

[D2wing]

I don't thing many support Trump because we think he is a Christian. It is we agree with he policies on certain crucial issues. I don't know how it will turn out. The main danger everywhere is government tyranny. You Europeans divide left and right between Communist tyrants or Non communist tyrants. We true Americans realize that our nation was founded to protect us from government. The main problem with the liberals are they support more government control beside support for immorality and persecution of Christians.

 

[D2wing]

The underlining belief of liberalism is that humanity is good, not flawed and not in need of redemption. They wrongly think that if you expose evil doers to goodness they will change into good people without the need for salvation or repentance before God. They regard God and his people as causing people to feel bad about themselves when they do sinful things. They think the idea of sin is an invention of religious people.
As far as government they believe in collectivism. That if we all join together we can help each other and control dissenters, they do not believe in checks or balances or other points of view. The state is better than the individual. In other words they belief in national or international socialism with a government that rules over every. They are too brainwashed to realize that this is exactly what fascism is. they are the same as the Nazi's and Communists. If and when they get their way they will be under tyranny. They think there will be peace but that is a serious illusion.