Hello all! Are we (believers) the bad guys?

[D2wing]

What, specifically, has Obama "messed up"?

My question is are you a Christian? Do you have any morality at all? Do you know about Bible prophecy? Do you think it is ok to ruin the economy? Do you think it is ok to support Muslim terrorism? Do you think gay is ok, and Christians should be punished for being against perversion?
Do you think it is ok to constantly lie? To attack the Constitution and disregard laws?
Who is the father of lies and the lawless one?

 

[Ringo84]

Ringo, are you talking about the Clintons?

I'm talking about Trump. The Clintons are irrelevant, as they do not currently hold public office.

BTW, morality seems to have no meaning for you. Are you a Christian? If so what parts of the Bible do you believe?

What gives you the idea that you can glean from a single post what meaning morality has for me? If it's because I'm a critic of Trump, then I think you're grossly misplacing your faith.
Ringo

 

[Ringo84]

Facts are disregarded

That's rich since Conway and Trump are all about so-called "alternative facts".
Ringo

 

[Aijalon]

I do NOT think we are heading in the right direction, nor do I think Trump is helping us move closer to the right direction. He serves the God of money. What's really in his heart isn't for me to judge but by his actions I think we can say he is not for what is right. He pursues greed power and popularity.

He appeals to the populist condition at the moment. He will appease Christians because he's not a social activist in any way. He simply exploits any and all for economic benefit.

Do not be fooled by hits schemes

 

[JacksBratt]

You can embrace so-called "Christian values" all you want, but if you live a lifestyle where you're grabbing women by their private parts, conning people out of their money, insulting people and their looks, and believing that the world revolves around you, well...you probably aren't living the life that Christ calls us to live.
Ringo

I agree that this type of behavior is totally unacceptable. However, sad to say, this is probably the norm when it comes to these power hungry wealthy men.

Are you trying to tell me that Trump is the only man who has done such a thing in those super selective country clubs???

It's not right, but, I bet, it's common as a olive at a martini party.

Just look at Willy Clinton... and, Hillary stuck around and enabled him.....

 

[Ringo84]

I agree that this type of behavior is totally unacceptable. However, sad to say, this is probably the norm when it comes to these power hungry wealthy men.

Are you trying to tell me that Trump is the only man who has done such a thing in those super selective country clubs???

It's not right, but, I bet, it's common as a olive at a martini party.

Just look at Willy Clinton... and, Hillary stuck around and enabled him.....

Of course Trump isn't the only one, but he's the most egregious example. And I don't find the "B-b-but Bill Clinton!" excuse to be particularly persuasive.
Ringo

 

[Sketcher]

I apologize, that was Mike Pence. The good thing is that he is trying to stop abortions and he is at least more conservative than Obama, Hilary and Sanders. I just think he is more on our side than the majority with their gay pride, atheism and abortion rights.

I do like Mike Pence.

 

[Sketcher]

What, specifically, has Obama "messed up"?

International relations, as well as the situations in Libya and Syria. Terrorists moved into those countries because of his interventions in them - just enough to stir the pot, not enough to bring about stable, pro-US regimes.

 

[JacksBratt]

Of course Trump isn't the only one, but he's the most egregious example. And I don't find the "B-b-but Bill Clinton!" excuse to be particularly persuasive.
Ringo

Clinton is just one example that was right out there for the world to see..... when he was president.

Trump did all this stuff when he was behaving "like one of the guys", and someone went and dug up some dirt.

Tell me, Ringo, if anyone followed you around on a night out with you and your buds..... you never checked out a hottie and made some remark that would make your mom blush?

You say "no" and I'm gunna call "bullfeathers".

Now, cross over into the world of the entitled elite men. This kind of thing with the groping is happening now and has been happening for centuries. They are elite, wealthy men and this is accepted among their little elite clubs.

I do not consider it right, I don't condone it, I have never crossed that line. However, dig deep enough and I bet Kennedy, Nixon, Clinton, Bush, Gore and the boys all could be held to some sort of inappropriate, womanizing act.

It's just another thing for the Democrats to use to whip the crowd up into a frenzy over Trump for...

Look, Trump is President, get over it. He is already making changes that are going to fix your broken country.

I certainly hope that Canada follows suit and elects Kevin O'leary for Prime Minister.

Like your country, and many others, our countries political system and the people that live in it, have been systematically taring down the middle class, sending jobs to other countries, taxing us to oblivion, bloating the government spending and costs, wasting our tax dollars and basically destroying our standard of living. All the while making the few rich people even richer.

They have an agenda. Clinton was going to follow the status quo and follow the orders of the powers that be.

Trump came along and gave the people a choice to stop the madness.

He may not be the knight in shining armor. His may be quite tarnished. But, he knocked the corrupted established puppet government right off it's horse.

You should be thankful.

 

[JacksBratt]

I do like Mike Pence.

I believe Mike Pence is a bible believing Christian.

 

[Ringo84]

Tell me, Ringo, if anyone followed you around on a night out with you and your buds..... you never checked out a hottie and made some remark that would make your mom blush?

You say "no" and I'm gunna call "bullfeathers".

You can call whatever you wish, but I have more respect for women than that.

Now, cross over into the world of the entitled elite men. This kind of thing with the groping is happening now and has been happening for centuries. They are elite, wealthy men and this is accepted among their little elite clubs.

I do not consider it right, I don't condone it, I have never crossed that line. However, dig deep enough and I bet Kennedy, Nixon, Clinton, Bush, Gore and the boys all could be held to some sort of inappropriate, womanizing act.

Don't care. Bragging about grabbing women by their private parts is not acceptable. That you're so willing to pardon it tells me a lot about you.

You should be thankful.

I'll be thankful if my country survives in one piece after the privates-grabbing narcissist has his way.
Ringo

 

[ken777]

A lot of people seem to have conveniently forgotten that Trump said "It was wrong".

 

[Armoured]

International relations, as well as the situations in Libya and Syria. Terrorists moved into those countries because of his interventions in them - just enough to stir the pot, not enough to bring about stable, pro-US regimes.

Terrorists were in those countries long before Obama's interventions.

 

[Armoured]

Tell me, Ringo, if anyone followed you around on a night out with you and your buds..... you never checked out a hottie and made some remark that would make your mom blush?

Checking out a hottie =/= grabbing her by the privates.

 

[JacksBratt]

Don't care. Bragging about grabbing women by their private parts is not acceptable. That you're so willing to pardon it tells me a lot about you.

Nope, I did not pardon him from it... What I basically said is that you are looking at one duck of a flock of ducks. If your looking to blame him for something, he is in a large flock of similar ducks.

Is it acceptable? No. But to call him out and depict him to be some rare, person... I'm not buying it.

I'll be thankful if my country survives in one piece after the privates-grabbing narcissist has his way.
Ringo

Don't worry, your country will be just fine. It has survived a long line of flawed men as leaders.

Like I said, all of the men that have lead your country, or been a strong hand in the background, are of very dubious behaviors.

So, stop yelling "he's a bleeping duck, just because you didn't vote for him.....when all your leaders are some kind of foul.

 

[JacksBratt]

Checking out a hottie =/= grabbing her by the privates.

I know you guys like to jump from one statement to the other without comprehending what was said.

I said, it is common, for even guys like myself, to say thinks and behave in a way that is condescending to women. Face it and admit it.

I did not say that what Trump admitted to was at the same level. I was trying to point out that what my buddies and I do in our lowly days of prowl'n around town as young bucks, is done with the same flippant attitude as what these men of mega bucks and mega power do their acts of disrespect for women.

It's just in a different league.

I also tried to point out that he is just one of hundreds of men of power that behave in this manner. It doesn't make it right. But don't single him out as some one in a million shmuck.

I tried to say that you are not going to get someone in his position that is not guilty of acts equally or more disrespectful to women. It's the way things are, like it or not.

 

[lunastella]

I was trying to point out that what my buddies and I do in our lowly days of prowl'n around town as young bucks, is done with the same flippant attitude as what these men of mega bucks and mega power do their acts of disrespect for women.

It still astonishes me at the number of men who now admit to sexual assault after Trump's admission. (Because that is what he said he did--commit sexual assault.)

 

[JacksBratt]

It still astonishes me at the number of men who now admit to sexual assault after Trump's admission. (Because that is what he said he did--commit sexual assault.)

Well, you are right. However, the average young guy, making off color, suggestive and, yes, demeaning comments about the women in their lives.....is not sexual assault.

It's lewd, crude, immature and vulgar but not assault.

Taking it to the next level, to what Trump and the men of that status and elite clubs do, is not acceptable.

I have to ask though. Even though it is not an excuse and does not make it acceptable, why is there always women hanging around this crowd of men of this distinction in places of this type?

It's an age old situation. Where there are men of money and power, there will be women of beauty, and low self regard who allow themselves to be treated as objects. All for the return of lavish lifestyles of the rich and entitled.

It's not until it becomes beneficial to one group or another to expose one of these men for the atrocities that they are all party to.

 

[JacksBratt]

You can call whatever you wish, but I have more respect for women than that.

Well, if I could, I would shake your hand...You are a rare and respectable man.

 

[ken777]

Funny how people who hate Trump say he's lying when he brags about something that makes him look good ... and yet so ready to believe the worst when it's something that makes him look bad.