Hell.....

[Bryce Harris]

The Lake of Fire is the final destination for all the wicked and Satan and his fallen angels. When somebody who is not saved dies they automatically just go to Hell as they await there for Judgement. Once everybody that is not saved dies then that's when God will ressurect the damned and go through each and everyones life and damn them all to the Lake of Fire as well with the Devil and everybody else who is not saved. Remember even though Jesus is coming soon and be made king over all the earth there are still some who are going to reject him. and after awhile satan will be loosed from the bottomless pit(First he will get thrown in there by a mighty angle in the Battle of Armegeddon) to gather those who still reject him and he'll try one more time to over throw Christ by gaining up on his kingdom in Israel with those who hate Christ as well but fire will come down from Heaven and deal with them fast. Then After that the resserection of the damned will take place and every soul will come from out of Hell and be judged by God and will be cast down into the Lake which burns with fire. Then after that God will bring Heaven to Earth along with the new Jerusalem.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Linet Kihonge]

Let me paraphrase "my blonde moment" are people vanquished or tormented day in/ day out forever?

 

[vinsight4u]

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[HighwayMan]

What i'm saying is is that Heaven and Hell are mentioned in the Bible as both literal places. So if you accept the fact that Heaven is real you have to with Hell also, you can't just accept the fact that Heaven is real because you want to go there and not accept it with Hell because you don't want to go there.

I don't think the Bible ever stops to define concepts as "literal" or not. There is no part where it says something, and then adds "but that is only figuratively speaking." However, there are large sections that can be taken that way. How much of Psalms is literal, poetical, illustrative? "Snatch me from the lion's jaws and from the horns of these wild oxen." - nowhere does it say that the subject is not really concerned about actual lions and wild oxen. Yet if it turns out those were just figurative, does it mean heaven is not literal either? I don't think so.

 

[topcare]

So let's start a thread over there, I'm kinda curious myself.

 

[FireDragon76]

Listen, the statement doesn't make it any easier on His Side either (Darned if he sentences mankind to damnation, darned if he lets mankind inherit everlasting heavens). He has rules, he has laws, he has STANDARDS, so we have two things to consider to do what we feel like or do what he asks us. He may sound a little bit too authoritarian but it's his earth, his rules Period.

Ahh... God the moralist/legalist. Let's just put it this way, not all Christians see that in the Bible. In fact I think that's a very impoverishing viewpoint. Jesus is the face of God, the heart of God. Does Jesus go around laying down harsh, unyielding rules to everyone- just because he can? No, on the contrary, he promises that his yoke is light, and he gave us only two commandmets.

 

[Timothew]

So let's start a thread over there, I'm kinda curious myself.

Please let me know when you have the thread started.

 

[Linet Kihonge]

Ahh... God the moralist/legalist. Let's just put it this way, not all Christians see that in the Bible. In fact I think that's a very impoverishing viewpoint. Jesus is the face of God, the heart of God. Does Jesus go around laying down harsh, unyielding rules to everyone- just because he can? No, on the contrary, he promises that his yoke is light, and he gave us only two commandmets.

Either way, people will either enter eternal rest or finally, damned!!!

 

[hedrick]

I might be willing to participate in a thread in CCT. But there’s one thing that I think can be said here.

The arguments I’ve seen on both sides strike me as using exegesis of a kind that I don’t like. They’re basically trying to answer questions that are perfectly reasonable questions but that the texts weren’t written to answer.

Judgement is described in the NT with quite a wide variety of images, everything from the outer darkness to a fiery furnace or lake of fire. Many of them suggest destruction (particularly when you trace the OT origin of the images), but they also speak of eternal punishment. I’ve checked my two critical commentaries on Matthew for some of the key texts. (Among the Gospels, it’s primarily Matthew.) They simply don’t answer the question. They speak in terms like “eschatological judgement,” but don’t seem to see coming up with an exact description of the judgement as being something an exegete would do. This should warn us about being too certain that we can come up with an explicit description. It’s possible that Scripture took this approach for a reason.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[topcare]

Please let me know when you have the thread started.

I was hoping someone else would

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Timothew]

If you use the KJV it is a personal worm. their worm dieth not

The worm is eating a corpse, the corpse of the slain. This isn't proof that the corpses are conscious of torment. The verse simply does not say that. I was right when I said it wouldn't make any difference to you. Even though it specifically says the corpses are being eaten by worms, you still believe the corpses are conscious of torment.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[JCFantasy23]

MOD HAT ON

This thread has had a small clean. Please do not discuss/promote Annihilationism in General Theology (as has been mentioned by several members)

Please see the Statement of Purpose here

MOD HAT OFF​

 

[vinsight4u]

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[sculleywr]

Listen, the statement doesn't make it any easier on His Side either (Darned if he sentences mankind to damnation, darned if he lets mankind inherit everlasting heavens). He has rules, he has laws, he has STANDARDS, so we have two things to consider to do what we feel like or do what he asks us. He may sound a little bit too authoritarian but it's his earth, his rules Period.

Having standards has nothing to do with breaking those very same standards Himself. Remember that the standards we are required to live up to exist because He, Himself, is the embodiment of those standards. He can do NOTHING contrary to those standards. So the conscious torture of people, being a violation of the standards He embodies, is not something that God will do.

No, this does not mean there isn't pain in hell or that people don't go to hell. It means that God is not torturing people in hell, but rather that the torture of hell is a self-inflicted pain. Just as a parent is not the direct cause of pain when a toddler trips and smashes their face or bops their head on concrete, neither is God the direct cause of pain in hell. Hell is not a spanking. The spankings of God occur only while we are on earth. God might take you out of this earth early, but it is not changing the eternal direction you are headed when He does, because it is likely that even if He hadn't, your eternal direction may already be set by your own doing. He takes a person out of the earth because that person is changing the directions of people around him to leave Him.

God does not do things for no reason. He has a reason for them and a purpose in everything He does. There is no possible purpose of eternal torture. Therefore, the pain of hell must be something that can be created by people who can create purposeless actions. As far as I know, only humans are capable of doing things without a purpose.

 

[sculleywr]

Well, we have determined that Jesus Christ taught that the soul and body can be destroyed.
Acts 5:29
But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men."

Can and are are two different things. God is all-powerful, so He could do anything. He could make an elephant juggle grand pianos while doing a trunk-stand on the pinnacle of the eiffel tower whilst singing the anthem of the European Union. But if that ever happens, I'll be the first to print this post on a piece of papyrus and eat it. Just because God can do something doesn't mean He does.