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They don't include, nor do they picture John 6:40
"For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”

So the picture is a picture of one person's misunderstanding about what the bible says. That's why I said "that picture is not in my bible." It doesn't reflect biblical truth.

the first wave of the resurrection of "the just" is at the rapture, and that mentions a verse there in Thessalonians. This one was simply an overall depiction of the resurrections and judgements and the millenium's timing in relation to the new heaven and new earth.

notice the gleanings are those resurrected between the first and second resurrection and include the tribulation saints who passed away.

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the earthly reign is only a thousand years, then the renovation of the earth by fire, then the new heaven and new earth will be after that. Because the earth will be created new and the new jerusalem will be on earth (instead of in the midst of heaven (like it was during the millenium)). Revelation 20:4b
..."they lived and reigned with Christ for a[a] thousand years." It's the kingdom of heaven, and the Kingdom of God but it's not heaven on earth technically because satan will be loosed in it. Heaven is a place where there is no devil or satan tempting anymore and there is no more tears etc.
Ain't no satan or devil on earth just the Beast, the Kings of the Earth and their armies whom Christ will destroy.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
 
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Ain't no satan or devil on earth just the Beast, the Kings of the Earth and their armies whom Christ will destroy.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

revelation 20:7


Satan gave Job boils, and would have killed him, if God did not say "save his life."
Job 2:4-7
 
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Luk_17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

He came to show us the way, all things in creation reveal this same path. Very few find it because they don't see that the revealtion of Jesus Christ is in us. Not of this world.
 
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Luk_17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

He came to show us the way, all things in creation reveal this same path. Very few find it because they don't see that the revealtion of Jesus Christ is in us. Not of this world.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::amen::amen::amen::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
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the first wave of the resurrection of "the just" is at the rapture, and that mentions a verse there in Thessalonians. This one was simply an overall depiction of the resurrections and judgements and the millenium's timing in relation to the new heaven and new earth.

notice the gleanings are those resurrected between the first and second resurrection and include the tribulation saints who passed away.

Larkin-%2Bresurrection.gif

There is a big problem with this chart gradyll. It places the rapture before the tribulation. That is wrong.

Did you know that?
 
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Well tell us if you are a spiritual man as you claim?
I'm sorry but this thread is about hell, not about your decision to attempt to flame me. Get back on topic and stop trying to insinuate I am less of a Christian or less spiritual or have less of the Holy Spirit in me than you do.
 
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I'm sorry but this thread is about hell, not about your decision to attempt to flame me. Get back on topic and stop trying to insinuate I am less of a Christian or less spiritual or have less of the Holy Spirit in me than you do.

They brought it up and I just made a point. The term rapture and second coming are not scriptural. That is a Biblical fact. I never said you were less of a Christian. I said you do not have ears to hear.

You limit what ever spiritual experence to you religion that is why you are less spiritual.
 
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Originally Posted by Sophrosyne I'm sorry but this thread is about hell, not about your decision to attempt to flame me. Get back on topic and stop trying to insinuate I am less of a Christian or less spiritual or have less of the Holy Spirit in me than you do.
They brought it up and I just made a point. The term rapture and second coming are not scriptural. That is a Biblical fact. I never said you were less of a Christian. I said you do not have ears to hear.

You limit what ever spiritual experence to you religion that is why you are less spiritual.
Says who? You?

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They brought it up and I just made a point. The term rapture and second coming are not scriptural. That is a Biblical fact. I never said you were less of a Christian. I said you do not have ears to hear.

You limit what ever spiritual experence to you religion that is why you are less spiritual.
ad hominems, you have no point but to try and denigrate those who refuse to agree with you.
 
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ad hominems, you have no point but to try and denigrate those who refuse to agree with you.
Hogwash.

I asked you if you know the difference between being in Christ and having Christ with in you. You said yes you knew the difference and then you never gave anyone any answer.

You told us all post #530 was a strawman:

Nope. Never said that. it is the hearing the spirit is where the problem is. Otherwise you would not believe Jesus is a monster who is going to torture billions and billions of lost people forever and ever He never called.

I explained

Wrong.

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.


You believe in the heresy of damning billions.

Do you not believe in the heresy of damning billions? Is this not what you have been defending??
 
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Hogwash.

I asked you if you know the difference between being in Christ and having Christ with in you. You said yes you knew the difference and then you never gave anyone any answer.



I explained

Wrong.
I answered you but because you didn't get an answer you could continue to attack my character about you escalated things to goad me into further dialog. One word answers "Yes" is an answer to your question.
2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.


You believe in the heresy of damning billions.
It is not heresy, and I am not pretending to be a prophet nor am I the one teaching here. I am not actively promoting my views but rather attacking the views of those who are attempting to teach here like you.
Do you not believe in the heresy of damning billions? Is this not what you have been defending??
Another lame attempt at ad hom attack. Equating those who believe in eternal hell as heretics but framing it as a question.
 
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I answered you but because you didn't get an answer you could continue to attack my character about you escalated things to goad me into further dialog. One word answers "Yes" is an answer to your question.

No it is not. Its a cop out. You do not know and you are not honest enough to admit it.



It is not heresy, and I am not pretending to be a prophet nor am I the one teaching here. I am not actively promoting my views but rather attacking the views of those who are attempting to teach here like you.Another lame attempt at ad hom attack. Equating those who believe in eternal hell as heretics but framing it as a question.

No flaming.. I gave a scripture. Attack the scripture if you are so right.

If is not a heresy then 2 Peter 2:1 is lying.

Your up set I attack your heresy using scripture.

What do you think I have been doing for the past few month? Eternal hell is a lie.

Show me where Christian Universalism is a heresy in scripture????

Only hersey the Bible addresses is the hersesy of damning billions.

Yet you still preach it.

Now if that is flaming so be it.
 
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No it is not. Its a cop out. You do not know and you are not honest enough to admit it.
It is not a cop out to refuse to allow someone to drag you on a wild goose chase hoping they will trip so you can snare them. I know what you were up to and refused to participate.



No flaming.. I gave a scripture. Attack the scripture if you are so right.

If is not a heresy then 2 Peter 2:1 is lying.

Your up set I attack your heresy using scripture.

What do you think I have been doing for the past few month? Eternal hell is a lie.
You have yet to prove it IS a heresy, so implying those who believe in it are "heretics" by equating it AS such is both poisoning the well and attacking the characters of ALL who believe in eternal Hell. If you can prove it IS a heresy then I have no problem with being considered a heretic in that respect but you have NOT done so.
Show me where Christian Universalism is a heresy in scripture????

Only hersey the Bible addresses is the hersesy of damning billions.

Yet you still preach it.

Now if that is flaming so be it.
I never said that CU is heresy, unlike you I don't toss that word around attacking those who do not agree with me by insinuation.
Prove to me I am preaching here in this current exchange. I have not mentioned Hell or universalism it all started when I was asking you regarding you insisting those who disagreed with you were "less" spiritual, holy, etc than you are.
 
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It is not a cop out to refuse to allow someone to drag you on a wild goose chase hoping they will trip so you can snare them. I know what you were up to and refused to participate.

Wild goose chase?? what are you affraid of? You said you know the difference and then you could not answer the question.



You have yet to prove it IS a heresy, so implying those who believe in it are "heretics" by equating it AS such is both poisoning the well and attacking the characters of ALL who believe in eternal Hell.

Amen. The proof is 2 Peter 2:1. Can you read???



If you can prove it IS a heresy then I have no problem with being considered a heretic in that respect but you have NOT done so.

These are not my words.

2 Peter 2

1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.



I never said that CU is heresy, unlike you I don't toss that word around attacking those who do not agree with me by insinuation.
Prove to me I am preaching here in this current exchange. I have not mentioned Hell or universalism it all started when I was asking you regarding you insisting those who disagreed with you were "less" spiritual, holy, etc than you are.

I did not toss any word around. I quoted scripture.

I have been trying to discuss here about being spiritual. I believe the reason many who do not understand CU is because they look at God's Word from the angle of the letter that killeth. Is this not a valid scriptural truth.

The Spirit quicken
the letter killeth

I have had many Christians reject that which is spirutal and replace it with religious logic. (Eph. 6:17). The sword of God’s word is "QUICK." Quick means living and active — LIFE-GIVING! "For the word of God that speaks is alive and full of power — making it active, operative, energizing and effective; it is sharper than any two-edged sword" (Heb. 4:12, Amplified).

 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing…for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life!" (Jn. 6:63; II Cor. 3:6). The sword of the Spirit is the quickening, energizing, life-giving WORD OF GOD! There are two aspects of the word of God. Jesus Christ is the Word — the Logos THE LIVING, CREATIVE WORD! But there is also that word which Paul calls "the letter." The letter is the outer hull, the record and history, the laws and commandments, the rules and regulations, the types, shadows and figures, the external ordinances, rituals, ceremonies, and feasts; the visible form of the word which tells us, in terms understandable by the natural mind, many things about the Living Word, Jesus Christ. 

It should be clear to any thinking mind that the law given by Moses was a word from God. Many, many scriptures confirm that it was the very Lord Himself who spoke to Moses giving him the laws, commandments, judgments, and ordinances. Therefore it is called "the law of the Lord."

Yet Paul, in speaking of this word from God, calls it "the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones." Then he further designates it "the ministration of condemnation." You, see, the law could only condemn! The only way the law could give life was if one perfectly kept it, but for every broken law there was a penalty. And no one was ever able to keep it! "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Therefore the law with all of its commandments, ceremonies, rituals, sacrifices, and observances is a dead word, it is form without essence, law without life, shadow without substance, chaff without kernel, it is the letter that killeth! It is "a word" about "The Word" and therefore shuts men up unto the dominion of death. It should not be difficult to understand that as Jesus Christ is the Living Word of God, the sword of the Spirit that quickens, so is the Letter of the Word a deadly sword, killing rather than quickening. Ah, two words and two swords!
 
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Wild goose chase?? what are you affraid of? You said you know the difference and then you could not answer the question.
I answered yes. Tough if you wanted more as you don't answer some of my questions either.
Amen. The proof is 2 Peter 2:1. Can you read???

These are not my words.

2 Peter 2

1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
This is no proof, but you insisting that YOUR opinion of what I believe equates as such. I could say the same about what you believe but that scripture does NOT define what a heresy is.
I did not toss any word around. I quoted scripture.

I have been trying to discuss here about being spiritual. I believe the reason many who do not understand CU is because they look at God's Word from the angle of the letter that killeth. Is this not a valid scriptural truth.

The Spirit quicken
the letter killeth

I have had many Christians reject that which is spirutal and replace it with religious logic. (Eph. 6:17). The sword of God’s word is "QUICK." Quick means living and active — LIFE-GIVING! "For the word of God that speaks is alive and full of power — making it active, operative, energizing and effective; it is sharper than any two-edged sword" (Heb. 4:12, Amplified).

 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing…for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life!" (Jn. 6:63; II Cor. 3:6). The sword of the Spirit is the quickening, energizing, life-giving WORD OF GOD! There are two aspects of the word of God. Jesus Christ is the Word — the Logos THE LIVING, CREATIVE WORD! But there is also that word which Paul calls "the letter." The letter is the outer hull, the record and history, the laws and commandments, the rules and regulations, the types, shadows and figures, the external ordinances, rituals, ceremonies, and feasts; the visible form of the word which tells us, in terms understandable by the natural mind, many things about the Living Word, Jesus Christ. 

It should be clear to any thinking mind that the law given by Moses was a word from God. Many, many scriptures confirm that it was the very Lord Himself who spoke to Moses giving him the laws, commandments, judgments, and ordinances. Therefore it is called "the law of the Lord."

Yet Paul, in speaking of this word from God, calls it "the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones." Then he further designates it "the ministration of condemnation." You, see, the law could only condemn! The only way the law could give life was if one perfectly kept it, but for every broken law there was a penalty. And no one was ever able to keep it! "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Therefore the law with all of its commandments, ceremonies, rituals, sacrifices, and observances is a dead word, it is form without essence, law without life, shadow without substance, chaff without kernel, it is the letter that killeth! It is "a word" about "The Word" and therefore shuts men up unto the dominion of death. It should not be difficult to understand that as Jesus Christ is the Living Word of God, the sword of the Spirit that quickens, so is the Letter of the Word a deadly sword, killing rather than quickening. Ah, two words and two swords!
Posting a lot of scripture doesn't make your argument any more valid. I have made my arguments time and time again without posting any scripture at all. I tend to get to the point and be done with it so those reading here won't fall into a coma trying to figure out what I am getting at. On this note I am bowing out and leaving you to your ranting and denigrating of others here who disagree with you as heretics or "less" spiritual, less holy, poor hearing, unable to learn etc.. those endless pokes at other people are a sign of an underlying problem IMO.
 
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This is no proof, but you insisting that YOUR opinion of what I believe equates as such. I could say the same about what you believe but that scripture does NOT define what a heresy is.

2 Peter 2 :1 IS Not my opionion.

Posting a lot of scripture doesn't make your argument any more valid. I have made my arguments time and time again without posting any scripture at all. I tend to get to the point and be done with it so those reading here won't fall into a coma trying to figure out what I am getting at. On this note I am bowing out and leaving you to your ranting and denigrating of others here who disagree with you as heretics or "less" spiritual, less holy, poor hearing, unable to learn etc.. those endless pokes at other people are a sign of an underlying problem IMO


Obviously you have nothing to say.
 
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2 Peter 2 :1 IS Not my opionion.
Obviously you have nothing to say.
The Greek says it all!

2Pe 2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, as false teachers will also be among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Lord who bought them, bringing on themselves swift annihilation
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αιρεσεις heresy, denominations, sects, clauses
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