Hell.

[dollarsbill]

Paul writes this chapter to answer his critics who say there is no resurrection.

Including the dead. They will live forever.

 

[Timothew]

That's where you greatly err. Death does not mean cease to exist.

Death does not mean continue to exist. Where do you get this idea? Death means not dying???

 

[Timothew]

Including the dead. They will live forever.

If they are dead, they are not alive. they don't live forever.

 

[dollarsbill]

If they are dead, they are not alive. they don't live forever.

Your proof?

God's proof:

Revelation 20:10 (NASB)
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by dollarsbill That's where you greatly err. Death does not mean cease to exist.

Death does not mean continue to exist. Where do you get this idea? Death means not dying???

Tis a paradox I say!

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Luke 16:22 Became yet to be dying the poor-one and him to be carried away by the Messengers into the bosom of Abraham.
And yet died also the rich-one and was buried.
23 And in the hades, lifting up his eyes existing in torments,
he is seeing Abraham from afar, and Lazarus in the bosom of him.

 

[Noxot]

so then. on earth we have an earthly body. but we groan that our earthly body be as it will be. but we also have a spiritual body. which is not manifest yet, but is. for the earthly body, earthly. for the spiritual, spirit. all is spirit, but the earth needs the fire for the transformation, the fire is the Spirit of God. the creatures were subject to vanity, but soon the earth will be purified. soon the earth will not be subject to vanity, and there will be a change, and then as in heaven, so shall earth be. yet different as you see earth is a realm of matter and heaven is some other kind of realm. also there will be a new heavens and a new earth, what an amazing thing! it looks like everything keeps gettings better, not only a new earth, but a new heaven.

earth is a spiritual reality, so is heaven. they are both similitude too. for even greater realities. all pointing to who I am that I am is. and who we are in Him, His children who does many things, is is many things, who Loves because we are Loved. all of it is because God Loves us.

but we are spirit, and with God forever.

I am that I am. we will be as He is. we are because He is.

there are many stages. there are many room. there are many spiritual realities. earth is but a shadow of what it will be. and there is a thing called "and more" as if talking about a different house, the house that has many rooms. and I know that there is always more with God. and we know God is the owner of all things, and so we too are. but we are His children, and that is who we Love, because He Loves us past knowing. and more.

there are many houses of God, as He is rich. he also owns all the earth, all the universe and everything else. everything keeps pointing up higher and higher to God, who says "come up higher" and who says many things.

 

[he-man]

so then. on earth we have an earthly body. but we groan that our earthly body be as it will be. but we also have a spiritual body. which is not manifest yet, but is. for the earthly body, earthly. for the spiritual, spirit. all is spirit, but the earth needs the fire for the transformation, the fire is the Spirit of God. the creatures were subject to vanity, but soon the earth will be purified. soon the earth will not be subject to vanity, and there will be a change, and then as in heaven, so shall earth be. yet different as you see earth is a realm of matter and heaven is some other kind of realm. also there will be a new heavens and a new earth, what an amazing thing! it looks like everything keeps gettings better, not only a new earth, but a new heaven.
earth is a spiritual reality, so is heaven. they are both similitude too. for even greater realities. all pointing to who I am that I am is. and who we are in Him, His children who does many things, is is many things, who Loves because we are Loved. all of it is because God Loves us. but we are spirit, and with God forever. I am that I am. we will be as He is. we are because He is.
there are many stages. there are many room. there are many spiritual realities. earth is but a shadow of what it will be. and there is a thing called "and more" as if talking about a different house, the house that has many rooms. and I know that there is always more with God. and we know God is the owner of all things, and so we too are. but we are His children, and that is who we Love, because He Loves us past knowing. and more.
there are many houses of God, as He is rich. he also owns all the earth, all the universe and everything else. everything keeps pointing up higher and higher to God, who says "come up higher" and who says many things.

The "New Heavens ad the New Earth" pertain to God setting up His Kingdom here on Earth in Zion, the New Jerusalem.

 

[Iona27]

Hell may not necessarily by that place of 'Fire and Brimstone' as shown in cartoons and movies! It's eternity without God and Jesus, it's practically eternal darkness.

 

[brinny]

Tis a paradox I say!

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Luke 16:22 Became yet to be dying the poor-one and him to be carried away by the Messengers into the bosom of Abraham.
And yet died also the rich-one and was buried.
23 And in the hades, lifting up his eyes existing in torments,
he is seeing Abraham from afar, and Lazarus in the bosom of him.

now THAT'S sumthin' to ponder, isn't it?

 

[he-man]

yet different as you see earth is a realm of matter and heaven is some other kind of realm. also there will be a new heavens and a new earth, what an amazing thing! it looks like everything keeps gettings better, not only a new earth, but a new heaven.
there are many houses of God, as He is rich. he also owns all the earth, all the universe and everything else. everything keeps pointing up higher and higher to God, who says "come up higher" and who says many things.

The "New Heavens ad the New Earth" pertain to God setting up His Kingdom here on Earth in Zion, the New Jerusalem.

Isaiah 2:2-3 (Darby)
2 And it shall come to pass in the end of days, [that] the mountain of Jehovah's house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be lifted up above the hills; and all the nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many peoples shall go and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths. For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and Jehovah's word from Jerusalem.

Psalm 69:35-36 (ASV)
35 For God will save Zion, and build the cities of Judah; And they shall abide there, and have it in possession.
36 The seed also of his servants shall inherit it; And they that love his name shall dwell therein.

Psalm 102:19-22 (ASV)
19 For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; From heaven did Jehovah behold the earth;
20 To hear the sighing of the prisoner; To loose those that are appointed to death;
21 That men may declare the name of Jehovah in Zion, And his praise in Jerusalem;
22 When the peoples are gathered together, And the kingdoms, to serve Jehovah.

Psalm 132:13-14 (ASV)
13 For Jehovah hath chosen Zion; He hath desired it for his habitation.
14 This is my resting-place for ever: Here will I dwell; For I have desired it.

Psalm 69:35-36 (BBE)
35 For God will be the saviour of Zion, and the builder of the towns of Judah; so that it may be their resting-place and heritage.
36 The seed of his servants will have their part in it, and there the lovers of his name will have rest.

Psalm 14:7 (ASV)
7 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! When Jehovah bringeth back the captivity of his people, Then shall Jacob rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

Psalm 48:1-2 (ASV)
1 Great is Jehovah, and greatly to be praised, In the city of our God, in his holy mountain.
2 Beautiful in elevation, the joy of the whole earth, Is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, The city of the great King.

 

[Timothew]

Originally Posted by Timothew

Paul writes this chapter to answer his critics who say there is no resurrection.
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Including the dead. They will live forever.

No, dead people can't read and they don't live forever as evidenced by the fact that they are dead!

 

[dollarsbill]

Originally Posted by Timothew

Paul writes this chapter to answer his critics who say there is no resurrection.
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No, dead people can't read and they don't live forever as evidenced by the fact that they are dead!

You offer no proof. I have shown MANY verses that teach the dead do indeed live. The resurrection proves this. They died but still existed. They will still exist after the 'second death'. They will wish they didn't exist.

 

[Timothew]

You offer no proof. I have shown MANY verses that teach the dead do indeed live. The resurrection proves this. They died but still existed. They will still exist after the 'second death'. They will wish they didn't exist.

The resurrection proves that God can make a dead person alive again. It does not prove that a dead person IS a living person. After the resurrection on the last day the wicked go to the second death. They die again and are dead again. They don't exist as a living person after they die the ssecond death. They only "exist" as a dead person. They don't "wish" for anything because they are dead. Observe a dead person. Are they making any wishes? Are they blowing out the candles on their birthday cake? No.

 

[dollarsbill]

The resurrection proves that God can make a dead person alive again. It does not prove that a dead person IS a living person.

But they still exist.

After the resurrection on the last day the wicked go to the second death. They die again and are dead again. They don't exist as a living person after they die the ssecond death. They only "exist" as a dead person. They don't "wish" for anything because they are dead. Observe a dead person. Are they making any wishes? Are they blowing out the candles on their birthday cake? No.

You offer zero Scripture. They do indeed still exist as the Scripture says, "they will be tormented day and night forever".

 

[Noxot]

The "New Heavens ad the New Earth" pertain to God setting up His Kingdom here on Earth in Zion, the New Jerusalem.

so do you think it is literal? like.. do you think the new Jerusalem will have walls of sapphire, streets of gold and ect? do you think a city is gonna fly down from heaven and land here on the earth?

or do you think it is a spiritual reality?

and if you think it is literal, then it seems hell would have to be literal too. but if it is spiritual, then hell must be spiritual too?

 

[he-man]

so do you think it is literal? like.. do you think the new Jerusalem will have walls of sapphire, streets of gold and ect? do you think a city is gonna fly down from heaven and land here on the earth?
or do you think it is a spiritual reality?and if you think it is literal, then it seems hell would have to be literal too. but if it is spiritual, then hell must be spiritual too?

What do you think? Do you know the Lord's Prayer?
Luk 11:2 And he said to them, `When ye may pray, say ye: Our Father who art in the heavens; hallowed be Thy name: Thy reign come; Thy will come to pass, as in heaven also on earth; [YLT]
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Psa 22:26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.

27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

28 For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and He is the governor among the nations.

9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.

10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

18 The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.

Psa 147:12 Praise the LORD, O Jerusalem; praise thy God, O Zion.

Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth

Zep 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.

Psa 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

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Dollarbill said to me
The Bible is the words of God. You can't pick and choose.

Amen...

That is why we have the Spirit of truth not the ten thousands sisters of Babylon to lead and guide us into all truth.

 

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Dollar Bill asked:

How do you recognize "the Spirit of truth"? How do you know you're not led by a deceiving spirit?

Thats easy. Hidden Manna. Most only know yesterday manna.

 

[dollarsbill]

Thats easy. Hidden Manna. Most only know yesterday manna.

The Holy Spirit isn't going to tell you that YOUR translation is right and all others are wrong.

 

[Sophrosyne]

The Holy Spirit isn't going to tell you that YOUR translation is right and all others are wrong.

I've heard many people with many different beliefs "claim' the Holy Spirit told them what to believe. I have a hard time thinking God would be the author of such confusion.