Haulocaust Question

[mmksparbud]

But, only believers in Christ are Israel.

That is all that will be in the New Jerusalem!

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It is only ad hominem if it is not true and in this case it is. Read it again...

I know a lot about this and so your personal insult is a lie and clearly ad hominem.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Are you talking to yourself? The modern Israel is a secular Nation. The Jews there are RABBINIC Jews

I’m sure the jews consider themselves sons of Israel. You don’t know much about this subject, do you?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

But, only believers in Christ are Israel.

Israel is Israel too.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The natural branches, Israel, has been cut off from the vine, the Messiah.

 

[Dave L]

Israel is Israel too.

If the broken off are grafted back into Israel through faith in Christ, we are Israel, not they.

“It is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all those who are descended from Israel are truly Israel,nor are all the children Abraham’s true descendants; rather “through Isaac will your descendants be counted.”This means it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God; rather, the children of promise are counted as descendants.” (Romans 9:6–8) (NET)

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.” (Galatians 3:16) (KJV 1900)

“And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:29) (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave L]

The natural branches, Israel, has been cut off from the vine, the Messiah.

Jesus IS Israel.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

If the broken off are grafted back into Israel through faith in Christ, we are Israel, not they.

How does them believing make us Israel? They are grafted into the vine in any case.

“It is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all those who are descended from Israel are truly Israel,nor are all the children Abraham’s true descendants; rather “through Isaac will your descendants be counted.”This means it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God; rather, the children of promise are counted as descendants.” (Romans 9:6–8) (NET)

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.” (Galatians 3:16) (KJV 1900)

“And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:29) (KJV 1900)

Those who believe who are grafted into Christ are then Abraham’s seed.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Jesus IS Israel.

Well there is a nation Israel and he never said he was Israel to anyone. It’s a rather odd concept.

 

[Dave L]

Well there is a nation Israel and he never said he was Israel to anyone. It’s a rather odd concept.

Jesus is Israel and we who have faith in him. Think about it for a second. If the broken off branches are reattached thru faith, how can they be reattached to Israel if they are Israel? They are reattached to Jesus who is Israel.

 

[Dave L]

How does them believing make us Israel? They are grafted into the vine in any case.

Those who believe who are grafted into Christ are then Abraham’s seed.

The Olive Tree is a symbol for Israel.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I know a lot about this and so your personal insult is a lie and clearly ad hominem.

Your post proved you do not...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

How does them believing make us Israel? They are grafted into the vine in any case.

Those who believe who are grafted into Christ are then Abraham’s seed.

An olive tree is not a vine

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I’m sure the jews consider themselves sons of Israel. You don’t know much about this subject, do you?

I absolutely do.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Jesus is Israel and we who have faith in him. Think about it for a second. If the broken off branches are reattached thru faith, how can they be reattached to Israel if they are Israel? They are reattached to Jesus who is Israel.

I know there are Christians who called the church Israel. Never heard anyone til now call Jesus Israel though. Well I don’t speak against this, it’s just a foreign concept to me. I’ve been to Israel twice and so I don’t think that’s a compliment. One of the two most idolatrous places I’ve ever seen, Rome being the second.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I absolutely do.

Doesn’t look like it. But the standard by which you pronounce judgement, is the that can be applied to you. Be careful pronouncing judgements on others.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

An olive tree is not a vine

“I am the vine.” Jesus

Jesus does know his subject well.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Your post proved you do not...

Your posts prove you are quick to insult and do not know your subject.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The Olive Tree is a symbol for Israel.

Ah, the tree, only tree btw, Jesus cursed and it withered? That’s the tree you mean? I say again, the tree Jesus walked by and judged for having NO FRUIT and cursed and NEVER BORE FRUIT AGAIN? That’s the symbol for Israel?

Never thought about it but since Jesus, no fruit of Gods kingdom has been seen in Israel. No messages of peace. No demonstration of a just society. Israel is known for being on the take when it comes to money and helps no nation on earth. Their laws are unjust against foreigners. It’s dangerous to share the gospel there. No fruit of God blessings or His even being there.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Since Jesus, God has never given Israel a prophet. Not one. There were prophets anointed of God now and again in Israel. But since Jesus, not one. The prophets of God are in the church now. God seems to have opened up His Kingdom to all nations now. He has no special chosen one anymore. He doesn’t seem to be blessing or sending them into exile anymore. Mosaic Judaism is gone and the strings attached as well. We call that freedom in Christ.