Halloween

[Zecryphon]

QUOTE=Zechryphon]
How does celebrating Halloween, as Americans understand it and celebrate it, automatically make you a Pagan?

How does celebrating Ramadan, automatically make you a Muslim? It doesn't but there is no good reason for any non-Muslim to celebrate it.



The Celtic gods and goddesses that the Druids used to worship when they celebrated that holiday.



It doesn't matter what kind of costume it is. You're already in violation of the First Commandment by celebrating the day at all.



So anything is lawful as long as it helps you to bond with your children? Is that the position you are taking?



All the more reason why it is a parent's duty to Christian parent's duty not to allow their children to take part in it.



It's no different to me either, but as I said, I won't get into that here. It's off the topic of this thread, in any case.



That's right, it's not about me. It's about GOD.



Don't get too wrapped up in your Christian walk and pleasing God. Wow. Also, if you're going to call Halloween a gift from God, I expect Scriptural support for that.



So why the undue attention to this particular day?



It is not tearing down to speak the truth in love.



Was there ever an unbiblical practice under the sun that wasn't justified by the "leading of the Holy Spirit"? The only biblical way of handling this day is not to pay any regard at all. What part of "no other gods before me" don't you understand?


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"How does celebrating Ramadan, automatically make you a Muslim?"

It doesn't make you a Muslim. Muslim is a nationality, it would however make you part of the Islamic religion.

"It doesn't but there is no good reason for any non-Muslim to celebrate it."

You mean non-Islamic person. You can be Muslim and celebrate Christmas. I believe you have your terminology confused.


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Originally Posted by Zechryphon
What god and goddess are being worshipped by Christians on that night by dressing up in a costume of their choosing?




"The Celtic gods and goddesses that the Druids used to worship when they celebrated that holiday."

Do you have something in the way of a name, perhaps?


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Originally Posted by Zechryphon
It doesn't have to be an evil costume, you could be an astronaut, and going door to door with their kids, if they have any, and trick or treating?




"It doesn't matter what kind of costume it is. You're already in violation of the First Commandment by celebrating the day at all."

It's not a religious holiday. It is a day to celebrate the harvest and has significance for Pagans. Some Pagans used to do rituals to ward off evil, not attract it. You are not my judge when it comes to which commandment I have violated.


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Originally Posted by Zechryphon
A Christian's true ministry is to his or her family first. So by dressing up with your kids on Halloween you are having a kind of fellowship with them, you are building your relationship with them further, and are making it stronger. Kids will remember going trick or treating with their parents probably for the rest of their lives. I still remember going with my parents when I was a little child.




"So anything is lawful as long as it helps you to bond with your children? Is that the position you are taking?"

Actually, the position I'm taking is that you're looking for a fight. Keep looking.


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Originally Posted by Zechryphon
Little children are not going to understand the theological implications or the possible spiritual dangers of celebrating Halloween as well as an older child or person would.




"All the more reason why it is a parent's duty to Christian parent's duty not to allow their children to take part in it."

That is up to the parent to decide, not you and not me.


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Originally Posted by Zechryphon
One day when they are older you will enlighten them to the truth, but let them be kids and participate in Halloween for their sake. It's not always about you, ya know.




"That's right, it's not about me. It's about GOD."

If it's about God why are you beating a dead horse over this issue with me?


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Originally Posted by Zechryphon
Don't get so wrapped up in your Christian walk and pleasing God that you ignore one of the greatest gifts God has bestowed upon you in your children.




"Don't get too wrapped up in your Christian walk and pleasing God. Wow. Also, if you're going to call Halloween a gift from God, I expect Scriptural support for that."

And I expect you to get a grip and stop looking for a fight. You're trying to make an issue where there really is no issue. Don't you have anything better to do?


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Originally Posted by Zechryphon
Just like God, he (the devil) is at work every day of the year. No one day is any more important than any other. All days are crucial to him and his minions, because their days are numbered and they're running out of time.




"So why the undue attention to this particular day?"

You tell me. You're the one making an issue out of it. I've told people to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit on this one and stop all the finger pointing, judging and name calling.



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Originally Posted by Zechryphon
My whole point is that we should not be tearing each other down over this holiday.

"It is not tearing down to speak the truth in love."

Try it some time. I'm not getting "love" out of this post.


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Originally Posted by Zechryphon
We should not be copping an attitude of spiritual superiority or saying that this person is more spiritually enlightened than another person because we choose to handle this day in different ways according to the leading of the Holy Spirit.




"Was there ever an unbiblical practice under the sun that wasn't justified by the "leading of the Holy Spirit"? The only biblical way of handling this day is not to pay any regard at all. What part of "no other gods before me" don't you understand?"

To worship another god you have to know which one you are worshipping and why. You have no other names of gods that are being worshipped by celebrating Halloween. "the ones celebrated by Druids on that day" just doesn't really cut it. You say the only Biblical way to handle it is not to pay it any attention at all. So the reason for your picking apart of my post is what again?

PS

If you're gonna quote me it's spelled Zecryphon not ZECHRYPHON

 

[VCViking]

"Jokingly or not, a little condescending are we?"

I don't think so.

"Yet all 17 years of herself has more discernment in spiritual matters. She maybe be 17 but she has the discernment to know that halloween is evil and not harmless."

And you have the gall to call me condescending? Typical Christian. Condemn a behavior in a brother and exhibit the same behavior yourself. When did I say it was harmless?

Yes, you were condescending.

My intention was not to be so I apologize if it came out that way. I do feel she does have more discernment in spiritual matters than you and others here due to the fact she sees the spiritual harm halloween causes.

A holiday where kids dress up in costumes, go trick or treating with their parents or friends, so they are either participating in quality time with their families or having fellowship with their friends.

I have never dressed up as a witch, warlock or demon. I have most often dressed up as Steve 'Sting" Borden from WCW and now TNA wrestling. This year I plan on being the Pope.

Sounds like you think it's harmless.

 

[VCViking]

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Originally Posted by VCViking
So wicca is ok?

I didn't say that. You are drawing a faulty conclusion. I have said that there are severe consequences in Wicca for practicing evil magick against other people. Never did I say the practice of Wicca is okay.

 

[VCViking]

Originally Posted by VCViking
So wicca is ok?

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I didn't say that. You are drawing a faulty conclusion. I have said that there are severe consequences in Wicca for practicing evil magick against other people. Never did I say the practice of Wicca is okay.

Believe me, the number of witches that are actively cursing people is very low. Wicca and other nature based religions are all about harmony and balance. The cursing of others is strictly prohibited in Wicca and there are very strong consequences for using such magick against others.

I didn't say you said it but it appears you implied it.

 

[VCViking]

So you're the one that has put VC Viking on the war path so to speak! LOL I wonder why he is attributing your statements about Halloween to me. It's all good. I've seen his kind before and they're easily set straight. No worries.

As to the comments about spiritual superiority and finger pointing that goes out to VC Viking and a couple of others who have made comments similar to his.

Who is the one who thinks they're superior?

 

[Zecryphon]

Yes, you were condescending.

My intention was not to be so I apologize if it came out that way. I do feel she does have more discernment in spiritual matters than you and others here due to the fact she sees the spiritual harm halloween causes.







Sounds like you think it's harmless.

"Yes, you were condescending."

If you say so.

"My intention was not to be so I apologize if it came out that way. I do feel she does have more discernment in spiritual matters than you and others here due to the fact she sees the spiritual harm halloween causes."

So the criteria for deciding who has "spiritual discernment", is who thinks Halloween is spiritually damaging? Good to know. I'll have to make a note of that.


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A holiday where kids dress up in costumes, go trick or treating with their parents or friends, so they are either participating in quality time with their families or having fellowship with their friends.



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I have never dressed up as a witch, warlock or demon. I have most often dressed up as Steve 'Sting" Borden from WCW and now TNA wrestling. This year I plan on being the Pope.




"Sounds like you think it's harmless."

Prove otherwise. All we have from you is an accusation of me being condescending and another accusation of me and others not being mature in the area of "spiritual discernment" because we disagree with you and the another poster over Halloween.

Two accusations and zero proof of your claim that Halloween is in fact, spiritually damaging. Therefore, I have no reason based upon what you have presented here to change my mind about the spiritual implications of this day.

Tell me do these tactics work with other people? The problem you have with your approach to changing people's minds about this, is that you want to equate what the holiday was in other times and places with what it is now, and say that if you celebrate Halloween you are worshipping other gods and goddeses, the names and attributes of whom you don't seem to know, and you just can't do that, because that's not being honest. The holiday as it is practiced today by the majority of people, is dressing up in a costume and going trick or treating. It is not celebrated in the Pagan way, whatever that means, because it will vary depending on which Pagan group you are talking about, according to their rituatls and/or customs. Now there may be some who do celebrate it that way, but I don't think you've been talking to any of them in this thread.

 

[Zecryphon]

Who is the one who thinks they're superior?

That would be you. Don't dish it if you can't take it. It's clear to me that you are not here to actually discuss anything but rather promote your view as the only enlightened one and accuse people of being condescending and not mature in spiritual discernment, when they disagree with you. Good bye.

 

[Zecryphon]

Originally Posted by VCViking
So wicca is ok?








I didn't say you said it but it appears you implied it.

It doesn't even come across as an implication. I never said practicing Wicca is okay. I simply told you what the religion teaches in regards to evil magick and what the religion believes. I never once said practice was okay. It's okay to say you were wrong about my post. It's not gonna kill you.

 

[VCViking]

First off, your attitude stinks. \

Second, if you or anyone else cannot see the spiritual damage to Halloween, the you need to pray of spiritual discernment.

 

[VCViking]

That would be you. Don't dish it if you can't take it. It's clear to me that you are not here to actually discuss anything but rather promote your view as the only enlightened one and accuse people of being condescending and not mature in spiritual discernment, when they disagree with you. Good bye.

I can take it and am. I'm not the one who attacked someone because of their age and thought, I'll show them. Isn't this your statement:

It's all good. I've seen his kind before and they're easily set straight. No worries.

You state that I think I'm spiritually superior but you make this statement.
I'm not going to respond in the same manner and attitude as you did to me.

I posted here to express the spiritual damage that Halloween has and I only stated the obvious. I don't want other believers who are not sure of Halloween and what it stands for to think it is ok. It is not ok, it is evil.

 

[VCViking]

I never said practicing Wicca is okay. I simply told you what the religion teaches in regards to evil magick and what the religion believes. .

If you think that wicca is only about harmony and balance, then you are being deceived. Of course that is what they want everyone to believe. Remember, Satan is the father of lies.

 

[VCViking]

Prove otherwise. All we have from you is an accusation of me being condescending and another accusation of me and others not being mature in the area of "spiritual discernment" because we disagree with you and the another poster over Halloween.

Two accusations and zero proof of your claim that Halloween is in fact, spiritually damaging. Therefore, I have no reason based upon what you have presented here to change my mind about the spiritual implications of this day.

Tell me do these tactics work with other people? The problem you have with your approach to changing people's minds about this, is that you want to equate what the holiday was in other times and places with what it is now, and say that if you celebrate Halloween you are worshipping other gods and goddeses, the names and attributes of whom you don't seem to know, and you just can't do that, because that's not being honest. The holiday as it is practiced today by the majority of people, is dressing up in a costume and going trick or treating. It is not celebrated in the Pagan way, whatever that means, because it will vary depending on which Pagan group you are talking about, according to their rituatls and/or customs. Now there may be some who do celebrate it that way, but I don't think you've been talking to any of them in this thread.

Maybe this might change your mind and others maybe it will not but I did recently talk w/ someone who knows this lifestyle but than most here.

A brother in the Lord, we'll call him Cee, runs a prison ministry and on Wed. nights he teaches a Bible study to ex-cons who are released and are born again Christians.

About 9 months ago he told me of a guy, we'll call him Bob, who just started coming to the Bible study and after about 4 weeks of coming, Bob approached Cee after the study cursing and swearing at him. Bob explained to him he is a satanist and a high priest at that. He was invited to the study and we he came he began to put curses and hexes on Cee but they were not working. Bob could not understand it. Cee explained to him that he can't curse him because he is a child of God, a true, born again Christian and his curses have no effect on a true believer of Jesus.

Glory be to God because Bob got saved and has been going to the study for about 9 months now.

After our discussions here, I asked Cee id he could ask Bob what the real deal is with Halloween to satanists. Cee called me back 10 minutes later and gave the phone to Bob. I asked Bob is Halloween really a holy night for satanists or is it just another so-so holiday? I asked him about satanism and wicca and what they are really about or is what the world is telling you a sugar coating? Bob says to me, "I'm not proud of this but I sacrificed a few virgins in my past. I'm not proud of it and I've never been convicted of murder but I'm not proud of it. Everything you hear is front and it's a very holy night for satanists and wiccans." I asked him about wicca and he stated all you hear about harmony and nature is a front, a sugar coating.

Our conversation ended because his Bible study was starting. I have no reason to make this up and I highly doubt he does to. If you think there is no spiritual damage from Halloween that's fine, but satanists and wiccans do.

A very good book on this is Lucifer Dethroned.

3 John 1:11 "Beloved, do not imitate what is evil."


Psalm 34:14 "Depart from evil and do good"


Excellent articles on the subject matter:

http://logosresourcepages.org/Holidays/halloween.htm

http://www.johnankerberg.org/Questio...-Halloween.htm

 

[VCViking]

And I'm all for giving out Gospel tracts on Halloween.

 

[bithiah2]

i have never liked it,
since we knew nothing about it i never participated in it as a kid. they are just now getting into halloween over and away.
i don't like the spirit behind it. haunted houses, graves, dead things, monsters, blood and gore, i don't see God anywhere in it. and it bothers me when churches take the kids to scary-land or whatever they call it. then they want to take the same kids and lay hands on them, and wonder why they don't praise the Lord. they are confused!
whoever wants to observe halloween, have at it. i hate the devil too much to honor his day. people have halloween decorations, and get started early, making their yards look like graveyards. you cannot celebrate christmas in public schools but you can celebrate halloween.
bithiah2

 

[ALiberalTeen]

I can't believe some of this! it's just a holiday to make children smile and give them candy, gosh!

 

[Zecryphon]

If you think that wicca is only about harmony and balance, then you are being deceived. Of course that is what they want everyone to believe. Remember, Satan is the father of lies.

"If you think that wicca is only about harmony and balance, then you are being deceived. Of course that is what they want everyone to believe. Remember, Satan is the father of lies."

I suppose you're gonna tell me it's Satanic, right? Dude, I've read the Satanic Bible twice, believe me it ain't Satanic. But that doesn't mean it's good either.

 

[Zecryphon]

Maybe this might change your mind and others maybe it will not but I did recently talk w/ someone who knows this lifestyle but than most here.

A brother in the Lord, we'll call him Cee, runs a prison ministry and on Wed. nights he teaches a Bible study to ex-cons who are released and are born again Christians.

About 9 months ago he told me of a guy, we'll call him Bob, who just started coming to the Bible study and after about 4 weeks of coming, Bob approached Cee after the study cursing and swearing at him. Bob explained to him he is a satanist and a high priest at that. He was invited to the study and we he came he began to put curses and hexes on Cee but they were not working. Bob could not understand it. Cee explained to him that he can't curse him because he is a child of God, a true, born again Christian and his curses have no effect on a true believer of Jesus.

Glory be to God because Bob got saved and has been going to the study for about 9 months now.

After our discussions here, I asked Cee id he could ask Bob what the real deal is with Halloween to satanists. Cee called me back 10 minutes later and gave the phone to Bob. I asked Bob is Halloween really a holy night for satanists or is it just another so-so holiday? I asked him about satanism and wicca and what they are really about or is what the world is telling you a sugar coating? Bob says to me, "I'm not proud of this but I sacrificed a few virgins in my past. I'm not proud of it and I've never been convicted of murder but I'm not proud of it. Everything you hear is front and it's a very holy night for satanists and wiccans." I asked him about wicca and he stated all you hear about harmony and nature is a front, a sugar coating.

Our conversation ended because his Bible study was starting. I have no reason to make this up and I highly doubt he does to. If you think there is no spiritual damage from Halloween that's fine, but satanists and wiccans do.

A very good book on this is Lucifer Dethroned.

3 John 1:11 "Beloved, do not imitate what is evil."


Psalm 34:14 "Depart from evil and do good"


Excellent articles on the subject matter:

http://logosresourcepages.org/Holidays/halloween.htm

http://www.johnankerberg.org/Questio...-Halloween.htm

Nothing more than hearsay. Not impressed, and the sacrificing of a few virgins is something that the church has always thrown out there as being the trademark of Satanic ritual. It isn't. I'll tell you what, you keep seeing evil and demons around every corner, and I'll celebrate Reformation Day and we can both go our way in peace.

 

[VCViking]

Nothing more than hearsay. Not impressed, and the sacrificing of a few virgins is something that the church has always thrown out there as being the trademark of Satanic ritual. It isn't. I'll tell you what, you keep seeing evil and demons around every corner, and I'll celebrate Reformation Day and we can both go our way in peace.

Say what you will and believe what you must but it is the truth.

 

[Zecryphon]

Say what you will and believe what you must but it is the truth.

And you do the same.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

"I asked him about satanism and wicca and what they are really about or is what the world is telling you a sugar coating? Bob says to me, "I'm not proud of this but I sacrificed a few virgins in my past. I'm not proud of it and I've never been convicted of murder but I'm not proud of it. Everything you hear is front and it's a very holy night for satanists and wiccans."

Did either you or Cee call in this man to turn himself in for the murders he committed?