Halloween

[Holz]

What surprises me is that you believe that dressing up and getting some candy the same as playing with the occult. Like I said before, I'm not the one that has made it into something spiritual.

And yes, you do make it sound as if you are more spiritual in your walk because you don't play easter games with your children, ect.

halloween isn't as innocent as society makes out, and candy/chocolate really has nothing to do with it, its the spiritual side of the day which scares me, because there are people who are witches, and do 'curse' others, and why would you dress up as a witch or a demon when Jesus is against them, it doesnt make sense.

mmmm ChOcOlAtE....

 

[TankGirl]

halloween isn't as innocent as society makes out, and candy/chocolate really has nothing to do with it, its the spiritual side of the day which scares me, because there are people who are witches, and do 'curse' others, and why would you dress up as a witch or a demon when Jesus is against them, it doesnt make sense.

mmmm ChOcOlAtE....

With crispy bits in...mmmm

 

[Zecryphon]

halloween isn't as innocent as society makes out, and candy/chocolate really has nothing to do with it, its the spiritual side of the day which scares me, because there are people who are witches, and do 'curse' others, and why would you dress up as a witch or a demon when Jesus is against them, it doesnt make sense.

mmmm ChOcOlAtE....

"halloween isn't as innocent as society makes out, and candy/chocolate really has nothing to do with it, its the spiritual side of the day which scares me, because there are people who are witches, and do 'curse' others,"

Believe me, the number of witches that are actively cursing people is very low. Wicca and other nature based religions are all about harmony and balance. The cursing of others is strictly prohibited in Wicca and there are very strong consequences for using such magick against others. I think the rule is, if I remember correctly, whatever evil you send out, it shall return to you threefold.

"and why would you dress up as a witch or a demon when Jesus is against them, it doesnt make sense."

I have never dressed up as a witch, warlock or demon. I have most often dressed up as Steve 'Sting" Borden from WCW and now TNA wrestling. This year I plan on being the Pope.

 

[fifi]

halloween isn't as innocent as society makes out, and candy/chocolate really has nothing to do with it, its the spiritual side of the day which scares me, because there are people who are witches, and do 'curse' others, and why would you dress up as a witch or a demon when Jesus is against them, it doesnt make sense.

mmmm ChOcOlAtE....

thank you for speaking the true.

 

[elsbeth]

If your spiritual walk doesn't allow you to go trick or treating with your kids and dress up during the fall season, ect. then don't do it. Let the rest of us have our freedom in Christ.

Wow! A voice of reason. I'm a firm believer that God treats us as INDIVIDUALS, and that because He tells one person not to do something DOESN'T MEAN that He means EVERYONE not to do it.

 

[Holz]

Wow! A voice of reason. I'm a firm believer that God treats us as INDIVIDUALS, and that because He tells one person not to do something DOESN'T MEAN that He means EVERYONE not to do it.

so do you mean its ok for one person to murder and not another? and there goes the whole equality thing and how can we all be judged and get some get into heaven and others not if were all being judged on a differnt book, i know that sounds a bit extream but its what you mean right? it just blows right out of the window what jesus came to teach, no?

 

[elsbeth]

so do you mean its ok for one person to murder and not another? and there goes the whole equality thing and how can we all be judged and get some get into heaven and others not if were all being judged on a differnt book, i know that sounds a bit extream but its what you mean right? it just blows right out of the window what jesus came to teach, no?

Of coure not. Don't be silly. The 10 commandments apply to all. Of course there are things that are wrong for everyone. What I said was that sometimes God may tell a particular person to do or not to do some particular thing, and they then generalize that NO ONE should do or not do that thing, when really God meant it just for them. This kind of thing is the cause of much of the arguments that go on in these forums.
Paul talks about this in the NT- about whether or not to eat the meat which had been sacrificed to idols.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Would anybody here approve of a Christian celebrating Ramadan? Why is one non-Christian religious observance acceptable and another not?

 

[christianmomof3]

Would anybody here approve of a Christian celebrating Ramadan? Why is one non-Christian religious observance acceptable and another not?

What is a "Christian religious observance" in your point of view? Christmas and Easter ? - major pagan origins, Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur? - Jewish holidays, is there any actual "Christian religious observance" anyway that is not from another religion?

 

[Zecryphon]

so do you mean its ok for one person to murder and not another? and there goes the whole equality thing and how can we all be judged and get some get into heaven and others not if were all being judged on a differnt book, i know that sounds a bit extream but its what you mean right? it just blows right out of the window what jesus came to teach, no?

"so do you mean its ok for one person to murder and not another?"


Oh you teenagers and your exaggerated examples! LOL There is a clear difference between celebrating an overly-commercialized holiday like Halloween, which exaggerates every negative stereotype about witches and ancient folklore, while managing to make money at it, and murder. One is clearly addressed in the scriptures, that would be murder, and one isn't, that would be Halloween. The American holiday of Halloween is a lot different from the Pagan observation of Samhein.

I mean come on, have you ever run into Jack O' Latern wandering the countryside at night with a lump of coal given to him by Satan to light his way? Have you ever seen a real life witch? They're not old, they're not covered in moles and warts, they don't cackle when they laugh and they're not green! Oh yeah, they also don't fly on broomsticks or vacuums, if you've ever seen the tv show Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and they don't stand over a cauldron making poisoned apples for Snow White! LOL That's all fiction designed to make money. And forget the Satanist references, they laugh at Christians who think this is their high holy day.


"and there goes the whole equality thing and how can we all be judged and get some get into heaven and others not if were all being judged on a differnt book,"


You're judged by the standard of God's law and what it demands, not a book.


"i know that sounds a bit extream but its what you mean right? it just blows right out of the window what jesus came to teach, no?"


I don't see how. If you have such a problem with Halloween, ditich it and celebrate Reformation Day instead. Same day, you can still dress up, but now you're gonna dress up as a 16th-century reformer or Catholic. Certainly, God can't have a problem with that, can He?

 

[Zecryphon]

What is a "Christian religious observance" in your point of view? Christmas and Easter ? - major pagan origins, Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur? - Jewish holidays, is there any actual "Christian religious observance" anyway that is not from another religion?

Well there's Reformation Day! The day Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of the church in Wittenberg, thus sparking what became known as the Protestant Reformation in Germany that eventually spread to other countries as well. But this isn't a big one with people outside of Lutheranism.

 

[Zecryphon]

Would anybody here approve of a Christian celebrating Ramadan? Why is one non-Christian religious observance acceptable and another not?

"Would anybody here approve of a Christian celebrating Ramadan? Why is one non-Christian religious observance acceptable and another not?"

Because by celebrating Ramadan, you are worshipping another god (Allah) and following the instructions of his prophet (Muhammed) and reading a false gospel (The Quran). To do this you would have to be both a Christian and a member of Islam at the same time, you can't do it. Because if you are a practitioner of Islam you can not be a Christian, because you would be breaking the first commandment, of thou shalt have no other gods before me.

 

[Holz]

You're judged by the standard of God's law and what it demands, not a book.

i meant 'book' as in an expression, not and atual book....

 

[JolieHeart]

This article may be of interest. It discusses this very topic.

http://www.hinds.ruf.org/News/NewsStory.aspx?guid=d51a1436-1127-4f17-a5c7-c8dcbe54470b

 

[TankGirl]

Oh you teenagers and your exaggerated examples! LOL

Oh you "old" people and your patronising asides...

 

[Zecryphon]

Oh you "old" people and your patronising asides...

Well I've gotta do something to pass the time in the home.

 

[Elife3]

Well, If anyone wants an alternative then, I agree with All Saint's Day.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

What is a "Christian religious observance" in your point of view? Christmas and Easter ? - major pagan origins, Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur? - Jewish holidays, is there any actual "Christian religious observance" anyway that is not from another religion?

Good point. Halloween's pagan origins, however are more obvious than those of Christmas and Easter. I don't really see the point of even talking about Christmas or Easter with someone who believes we are free to celebrate Halloween.

Because by celebrating Ramadan, you are worshipping another god (Allah) and following the instructions of his prophet (Muhammed) and reading a false gospel (The Quran). To do this you would have to be both a Christian and a member of Islam at the same time, you can't do it. Because if you are a practitioner of Islam you can not be a Christian, because you would be breaking the first commandment, of thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Very good. So, I think the conclusion here is obvious. If you can't be a Christian and a Muslim at the same time, how can you be a Christian and a pagan at the same time?

Well there's Reformation Day! The day Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of the church in Wittenberg, thus sparking what became known as the Protestant Reformation in Germany that eventually spread to other countries as well. But this isn't a big one with people outside of Lutheranism.

If you must throw a party on October 31, that would be a far better reason to do it.

 

[VCViking]

I don't think that there is anything wrong with Halloween. In fact, I think it provides a great opportunity for outreach to the community. For example, my church sets up a booth downtown (we live in a pretty small town), where a bunch of us dress up in Halloween costumes and hand out hot dogs and other treats to all of the trick-or-treaters. We don't proselytize; we don't hand out tracts (i really don't like them at all, anyway ); we just take the opportunity to show our community in a small way that we care about them and their kids.

If you really cared about them, you would give them the Gospel message, not a warm fuzzy. It's the Great Commission, not the great Omission.


The Great Commission

Matt 28: 16-20

16-Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17-When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18-Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19-Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20-and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

 

[VCViking]

"halloween isn't as innocent as society makes out, and candy/chocolate really has nothing to do with it, its the spiritual side of the day which scares me, because there are people who are witches, and do 'curse' others,"

Believe me, the number of witches that are actively cursing people is very low. Wicca and other nature based religions are all about harmony and balance. The cursing of others is strictly prohibited in Wicca and there are very strong consequences for using such magick against others. I think the rule is, if I remember correctly, whatever evil you send out, it shall return to you threefold.

So wicca is ok?