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Greenland Temperature soars 40F above normal, and...

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by Halbhh, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    Just another average day in Greenland, taking the sled dogs out over the ice sheet.

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  2. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    Reduce greenhouse gas emissions to a level we think we can live with long term.
     
  3. Goonie

    Goonie Not so Mystic Mog. Supporter

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    Ok which ones the messiah?
     
  4. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    I'm Brian, and so's my wife!
     
  5. pitabread

    pitabread Well-Known Member

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    Step 1: Don't elect a climate change denier as President of the United States.
     
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  6. klutedavid

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    Even if we stopped CO2 production around the world today, the effect of this temperature rise will continue for more than one hundred years.

    I believe it is too late now to stop climate change and it will probably accelerate. After all, we are electing conservative governments to avoid the ramifications of having to use alternate energy sources.

    We now have two direct threats to mankind's survival, nuclear war and climate change.

    With developing economies in Asia, Africa and South America, demanding more and more power the CO2 production will only accelerate.

    Learn to love climate change.
     
  7. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things" Supporter

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    We could get more fun movies, ala post #4. In tha movies you can scrape by, hide in the crevices and narrow spots, wrangle an Earth-bound comet with muscle power, or send the Lizard back to sleep in the ocean deep for a while.

    Who doesn't like that?
    :D
     
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  8. Paulos23

    Paulos23 Never tell me the odds!

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    Or we can invent a chemical that cools the Earth, overuse it, and have the survivors live on a speeding train.
     
  9. Goonie

    Goonie Not so Mystic Mog. Supporter

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    That sounds like a film reference?
     
  10. timewerx

    timewerx the village i--o--t--

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    Oh, that ridiculously silly film!

    Why would anyone put the last remaining humans in a speeding train with no brakes and no spare parts??:confused::confused::confused::doh::doh::doh:
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  11. Aldebaran

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    Nor does any other evidence, apparently. Climate change is going to be said to be a FACT, no matter what facts contradict it.
    But then again, when a place is hot, then the Climate change people come out to use it as their evidence to support their position. Hmmmm.
     
  12. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things" Supporter

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    It's useful to be aware of the recent 5-10 years entire-globe average temperature vs timeframes like since 1980 and also in the longer 130 yr long picture--

    Global Temperature | Vital Signs – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
     
  13. klutedavid

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    Those climate statistics over the last century show a very pronounced rise in sea and land temperatures.

    I find the rise in temperature alarming and the effect of the heat even more disturbing.

    The world's largest coral reef system, visible even from outer space, has lost half of its coral in the past two years. The Great Barrier Reef, once a colorful and visible display of biodiversity and a symbiotic ecosystem, now resembles a ghost town where life once flourished. (Forbes.com)
     
  14. Paulos23

    Paulos23 Never tell me the odds!

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    Comic and film, called Snowpiercer.
     
  15. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things" Supporter

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    Yes, that's been such dramatic news, and we can wonder why people don't keep it in mind as one of the handful of biggest things happening, but perhaps it's a feeling they cannot do anything about it, and it won't soon overturn their comfortable lives (at least over here).

    I think the sled dog picture above is helpful, in helping make it more...imaginable, that something is happening, and not in 50 or 80 years, but sooner. While this melting usually happens a few weeks later (the sled team was going at a certain planned time when normally the ice would not be melting yet), it helps give a chance to recognize the reality:

    Regardless of variations in year to year, it's all happening faster than guessed.
     
  16. Ophiolite

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    A couple of amendments:
    1. No guesses were involved. (I know you know that, but not all members and lurkers do.) The estimates were serious, data based evaluations.
    2. Faster than the deliberately conservative consensus view presented to the public, but not faster than some investigators suggested was possible, or likely. Increasingly it looks as if there would be some merit in listening to the panic merchants.

    Meantime we should do all we can to encourage climate change deniers to buy beachfront property.
     
  17. Halbhh

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    Did you read post 18 by chance? I'm on a mobile device at the moment, so can't explain at length, but I refer even to a 5 day weather forecast, based on huge data and tightly refined modeling as "guessing", for specific reasons I can discuss later if you like.

    The "guesses" are very useful on average, and save lives and time and money.
     
  18. Ophiolite

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    I'll re-read it with your comments in mind. Thank you.
     
  19. Aldebaran

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    But your graph in post #1 seems to indicate that it's even very short term temperature spikes that have climate scientists shocked. Why don't they conclude that local weather doesn't determine global temperature in this case like they do when there's a drastic cool-down somewhere?
     
  20. Halbhh

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    That first article's headline was sensationalistic, while in comparison on the other hand the 2nd headline about the tundra releasing toxins was just accurate.

    While we know this is what is happening:

    The bulging zones of high pressure in the Arctic, which have facilitated the unusual warmth and intensified melting, are displacing the cold air normally contained in that region into the mid-latitudes — like a refrigerator door left open. Much of the central and eastern United States have seen lower-than-normal temperatures in the past week.
    From that last link in post#1
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    The significance of the early melting spike is that it could be a foretaste of generally earlier than expected meltings of various kinds, as the old patterns of wind and such change, and the results on the whole pretty dramatic, and not far off in the future as we used to think, but sooner....
     
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