Good Friday, a doctrine of men?

[JesusForAll]

1st we know He was 30 when he began, we know His earthly ministry was 3 1/2 years, we know the Temple was destroyed in 70 ad. Do a study on 40. We know when he died there was an eclipse at noon, the earth was dark. We have astrological programs now that can place the eclipse & the Star of Bethlehem at 30 ad.

Just considering the timing of Passover, the Jewish calendar is a lunar calendar and Passover falls on a full moon each year. If that is the case then in no way can a solar eclipse with the moon in front of the sun occur. I know as you all know that scripture is true so... what caused the solar eclipse if not the moon?

 

[JesusForAll]

From my understanding knowing Jewish days are from evening to evening:
-Jesus had the last meal on Tuesday night after sundown on Passover as it started at evening.
-Tuesday night after the meal he was in the garden and arrested.
-Wednesday morning was the trial which is Passover day.
-He was crucified and died Wednesday, Passover, and placed in the tomb before evening, before the first day of Unleavened Bread, a High Holy Day which is a sabbath.
-Wednesday evening started first day of Unleavened Bread, a High Holy Day, a sabbath.
-Wednesday evening, first night in tomb, a sabbath.
-Thursday day, first day in tomb, still the first day of Unleavened Bread, a sabbath.
-Thursday evening, second night in tomb, sabbath over but shops are closed.
-Friday day, second day in tomb, sabbath is over and shops opened for business the women bought and prepared the spices for Jesus' body.
-Friday evening, third night in tomb, a sabbath.
-Saturday day, third day in tomb, a sabbath.
-Jesus resurrected before Saturday evening fulfilling 3 full days and 3 full nights in the tomb no more and no less.
-Sunday morning the women returned to the tomb to find it already empty.

I don't have a problem with Easter being on Sunday after the Passover but I recognize that it is tradition of man and not actual historical fact. I love God all the time.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

And you are so stuck on the idea that his being in the grave for 3 days AND 3 nights, was no sign at all.
But Jesus said clearly that his being in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights WAS the only sign that would be given! It's YOU that is trying to deny what the scripture plainly says!
Read it again, and get those scales off your eyes!

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

See? The sign WAS the time he was in the grave!
And Jesus knows exactly how to use the precise words to say precisely what He means.

You say the sign was not a dead man... but the word clearly says it WAS.

There was no sign to be given that generation, but His death, burial, 3 days and 3 nights of being buried, and his resurrection.

Every tiny bit of that whole scenario was the sign.
Including those 3 nights.

Are you part of that evil and adulterous? So you think He would tell them the end game (His resurrection) when He never did before? He also said "destroy this Temple and I will rebuild it in 3 days". Same thing. He did not tell them the end game. He ALLOWED them to think He was speaking of the actual Temple. Same thing here. You are the one that has eyes but can not see...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I don't have a problem with Easter being on Sunday after the Passover but I recognize that it is tradition of man and not actual historical fact. I love God all the time.

Are you kidding me?!?!? You don't have a problem with His resurrection being on Sunday??? How nice of you LOL! It HAD to be on a Sunday. Read Leviticus 23:15

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Hey!

First Fruits IS Pentecost, 50 days after Pesach.

Try again.

I'll bet you actually think that Good Friday was invented by that nasty ole pope feller, right?

A glorious Pascha to all.

Jack, he is speaking of Yom HaBikkurim, which is Pascha. Shavuot/Pentecost is 50 days later.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

This is why Luke 22.16 teaches NOT to observe the Jewish passover.

It does not say that at all. It says HE will not. Nor will HE drink of the cup. If that were true, why then did John, Polycarp and the rest of the eastern churches keep Nisan 14?

 

[JesusForAll]

Are you kidding me?!?!? You don't have a problem with His resurrection being on Sunday??? How nice of you LOL! It HAD to be on a Sunday. Read Leviticus 23:15

Sorry brother but I don't follow. He resurrected on Saturday. You're right that First Fruits would have been on Sunday or Saturday evening but First Fruits is in remembrance of the resurrection. So like I say I don't have a problem with Easter being on Sunday. Christ's first day in His new glorified body was First Fruits.

No need to be mocking about it all.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Sorry brother but I don't follow. He resurrected on Saturday. You're right that First Fruits would have been on Sunday but First Fruits is in remembrance of the resurrection. So like I say I don't have a problem with Easter being on Sunday.

No need to be mocking about it all.

A resurrection on Saturday AFTER sunset is already Sunday. He fulfilled Yom HaBikkurim, on Sunday.

 

[JesusForAll]

A resurrection on Saturday AFTER sunset is already Sunday. He fulfilled Yom HaBikkurim, on Sunday.

You didn't read my full post did you? There is no way the days work out if that was the case. First Fruits is not when he resurrected. I see Jesus resurrecting right before sunset and presenting himself glorified for the new day on First Fruits. He was glorified, His very best, His glorified body was the offering.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You didn't read my full post did you? There is no way the days work out if that was the case. First Fruits is not when he resurrected. I see Jesus resurrecting right before sunset and presenting himself glorified for the new day on First Fruits. He was glorified, His very best, His glorified body was the offering.

I did read it. The days work perfectly. Yes, He resurrected on Yom HaBikkurim. He is the firstfruits of those among the dead. He raised AFTER Shabbat ended. 1 Corinthians 15:20

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Are you kidding me?!?!? You don't have a problem with His resurrection being on Sunday??? How nice of you LOL! It HAD to be on a Sunday. Read Leviticus 23:15

Sorry, maybe not. Resurrection was at the end of the 7th DAY SABBATH.
"Please note, the first three Feasts were fulfilled through the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of Yeshua haMashiyach! Though Yeshua did not rise on Firstfruits, He is still our firstfruits, because Firstfruits don't "rise" - they are "presented" - and Yeshua was presented after 3 days/3 nights. (See Leviticus 23:9-14, Numbers 28:26-31, and 1 Corinthians 15:20.)

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[AJTruth]

Just considering the timing of Passover, the Jewish calendar is a lunar calendar and Passover falls on a full moon each year. If that is the case then in no way can a solar eclipse with the moon in front of the sun occur. I know as you all know that scripture is true so... what caused the solar eclipse if not the moon?

Here is a possibility

http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2016/09/september-23-2017-the-jupiter-incident-a-1-year-warning-2483837.html

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Sorry, maybe not. Resurrection was at the end of the 7th DAY SABBATH.
"Please note, the first three Feasts were fulfilled through the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of Yeshua haMashiyach! Though Yeshua did not rise on Firstfruits, He is still our firstfruits, because Firstfruits don't "rise" - they are "presented" - and Yeshua was presented after 3 days/3 nights. (See Leviticus 23:9-14, Numbers 28:26-31, and 1 Corinthians 15:20.)

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Absolutely not. He raised after sunset, which was already Sunday. That is Yom HaBikkurim. Yeshua presented Himself to The Father as the firstfruits from among the dead on Sunday. We know His death and burial was on the 14th on Friday, resting in the tomb over Shabbat and rose on Yom HaBikkurim on Sunday, the 1st day of the week. We know this by witnesses and from the road to Emmaus. They said TODAY (Sunday) is the 3rd day since the events happened. So if Sunday is day 3 and Saturday is Day 2 then it was on Friday when the events occurred.

 

[JesusForAll]

Absolutely not. He raised after sunset, which was already Sunday. That is Yom HaBikkurim. Yeshua presented Himself to The Father as the firstfruits from among the dead on Sunday. We know His death and burial was on the 14th on Friday, resting in the tomb over Shabbat and rose on Yom HaBikkurim on Sunday, the 1st day of the week. We know this by witnesses and from the road to Emmaus. They said TODAY (Sunday) is the 3rd day since the events happened. So if Sunday is day 3 and Saturday is Day 2 then it was on Friday when the events occurred.

Yes, I looked for more scripture and actually went right to Mark 16:9 which does say he rose after the sabbath. I admit I'm more than likely wrong on the day he rose. I'm going to have to look into it a bit more though. I'm still not sold on the number of days not adding up given he rose after sunset though.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yes, I looked for more scripture and actually went right to Mark 16:9 which does say he rose after the sabbath. I admit I'm more than likely wrong on the day he rose. I'm going to have to look into it a bit more though. I'm still not sold on the number of days not adding up given he rose after sunset though.

I have and only will give you truth. I am not here to deceive. Shalom

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes, I looked for more scripture and actually went right to Mark 16:9 which does say he rose after the sabbath. I admit I'm more than likely wrong on the day he rose. I'm going to have to look into it a bit more though. I'm still not sold on the number of days not adding up given he rose after sunset though.

The calendar being presened to you is , unwittingly perhaps , in error.
< shrugs > It has been controversial for many centuries, as the truth was not permitted for so long.
YHWH still guards HIS WORD, as always, and even in english, without knowing Hebrew language or customs except that sunset to sunset makes a day (Hebrew calendar days begin at sunset)
the truth can be seen, YHWH willing / revealing it.
Yes, even with only a RSV Translation, when YHWH reveals the truth, seeking HIM.... it is known without any controversy, with no doubt. (i.e. not on this forum, nor most english-primary speaking places)
Emphasizing it though, out of proportion , won't help...
realizing how it is involved with other errors , is God's Delight to reveal, later. He is Perfect at Revelation of Truth.

 

[prodromos]

The calendar being presened to you is , unwittingly perhaps , in error.

Not in the slightest. If you don't agree then show why.

< shrugs > It has been controversial for many centuries, as the truth was not permitted for so long.

Completely false. If you believe otherwise then show evidence.

YHWH still guards HIS WORD, as always, and even in english, without knowing Hebrew language or customs except that sunset to sunset makes a day (Hebrew calendar days begin at sunset)
the truth can be seen, YHWH willing / revealing it.
Yes, even with only a RSV Translation, when YHWH reveals the truth, seeking HIM.... it is known without any controversy, with no doubt. (i.e. not on this forum, nor most english-primary speaking places)
Emphasizing it though, out of proportion , won't help...
realizing how it is involved with other errors , is God's Delight to reveal, later. He is Perfect at Revelation of Truth.

More unsubstantiated opinion.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The calendar being presened to you is , unwittingly perhaps , in error.
< shrugs > It has been controversial for many centuries, as the truth was not permitted for so long.
YHWH still guards HIS WORD, as always, and even in english, without knowing Hebrew language or customs except that sunset to sunset makes a day (Hebrew calendar days begin at sunset)
the truth can be seen, YHWH willing / revealing it.
Yes, even with only a RSV Translation, when YHWH reveals the truth, seeking HIM.... it is known without any controversy, with no doubt. (i.e. not on this forum, nor most english-primary speaking places)
Emphasizing it though, out of proportion , won't help...
realizing how it is involved with other errors , is God's Delight to reveal, later. He is Perfect at Revelation of Truth.

I admire him because he was honest and said he was wrong...not many will do that here.

 

[Blade]

I found this.. not what I think... never cared or wondered.

according to Fiona MacPherson, senior editor at the Oxford English Dictionary, the adjective traditionally "designates a day on (or sometimes a season in) which religious observance is held". The OED states that "good" in this context refers to "a day or season observed as holy by the church", hence the greeting "good tide" at Christmas or on Shrove Tuesday. In addition to Good Friday, there is also a less well-known Good Wednesday, namely the Wednesday before Easter.
The earliest known use of "guode friday" is found in The South English Legendary, a text from around 1290, according to the dictionary. According to the Baltimore Catechism - the standard US Catholic school text from 1885 to the 1960s, Good Friday is good because Christ "showed His great love for man, and purchased for him every blessing".
Who, what, why?
A part of BBC News Magazine, Who, What, Why? aims to answer questions behind the headlines
The Catholic Encyclopedia, first published in 1907, states that the term's origins are not clear. It says some sources see its origins in the term "God's Friday" or Gottes Freitag, while others maintain that it is from the German Gute Freitag. It notes that the day was called Long Friday by the Anglo-Saxons and is referred to as such in modern Danish.
It also says that the day is known as "the Holy and Great Friday" in the Greek liturgy, "Holy Friday" in Romance Languages and Karfreitag (Sorrowful Friday) in German.

 

[Ken Rank]

Post doesn't disagree with Luke. In 30 AD Passover & Firstfuits fell on different days. Is your birthday on the same day every year?

Passover and firstfruits will never fall on the same day. Passover is the 14th of Nisan, it is a preparation day, not a Sabbath. The 15th, which starts when the sun goes down on the 14th, is a High Sabbath... the first day of Unleavened Bread. Firstfruits is the day after the weekly Sabbath that falls during Unleavened Bread, a week long event.