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GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN; Sabbath vs Sunday

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, Nov 4, 2017.

  1. The7thColporteur

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    Evidence please. Otherwise it didn't happen. I already know what you are going to take out of context, so please cite it, so I can show you the whole real truth of the matter.

    PS. Ellen G. White began as a Methodist. Which was begun by the Wesley's. Feel free to look up their materials on what they as a denomination taught about Jesus, being God, not the persons of the Father, neither that of the Holy Ghost, but the person of the Son.

    PPS. they keep foaming at the mouth over Ellen G White ...
     
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  2. Marco70

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    Perhaps, the experts, could tell us, if we refer to Christ as the one true God. Who is THE God of the one true omnipotent God? Only God, Christ, Paul and Peter all state God is THE God of Christ. I have read the bible many times and never read of a God who is THE God of the one true omnipotent God. Hopefully someone who is knowledgable can give me the answer


    It seems I will not get an answer to the above, just obfuscation. That is what always happens.

    Strange about Ellen G White isn't it. Listened to a debate once between mainstream Christians and a high ranking member of the sda. When it was put to him Ellen G White initially did not believe Christ was God, he said nothing, no repudiation at all.
    in debates such as these, people who insist you must believe Christ is God himself, simply deflect from answering questions put to them, seen it countless times, nothing new under the sun
     
  3. The7thColporteur

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    Evidence or it didn't happen. I don't believe your witness.
     
  4. klutedavid

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    “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty” (Letter 32, 1899, quoted in the Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1129).
     
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    “The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate–a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.” John 1:1, 2. Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father–one in nature, in character, in purpose–the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God.” Patriarchs and Prophets pg 34
     
  6. Marco70

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    Anyway, no point in continuing this. Beware of those who comer on the internet, quoting the greek and and claiming to be an authority on trinity. They always evade answering questions put in the end. As I quoted a man earlier:
    Those who think they have trinity all worked out show how little they understand of the subject.
     
  7. klutedavid

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    “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty” (Letter 32, 1899, quoted in the Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1129).
     
  8. The7thColporteur

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    Taken out of context as always. Here is the context:

    Let us take a look again at the citation, which is totally abused [Judges 19:25] by non-Seventh-day Adventist:

    S.D.A. Bible Commentary Vol. 5, Page 1129-1130; sections on John 1:

    "... [Page 1129] Christ left His position in the heavenly courts, and came to this earth to live the life of human beings. This sacrifice He made in order to show that Satan’s charge against God is false—that it is possible for man to obey the laws of God’s kingdom. Equal with the Father, honored and adored by the angels, in our behalf Christ humbled Himself, and came to this earth to live a life of lowliness and poverty—to be a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. Yet the stamp of divinity was upon His humanity. He came as a divine Teacher, to uplift human beings, to increase their physical, mental, and spiritual efficiency.

    There is no one who can explain the mystery of the incarnation of Christ. Yet we know that He came to this earth and lived as a man among men. The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one. The Deity did not sink under the agonizing torture of Calvary, yet it is nonetheless [Page 1129-1130] true that “God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

    In every possible way Satan sought to prevent Jesus from developing a perfect childhood, a faultless manhood, a holy ministry, and an unblemished sacrifice. But he was defeated. He could not lead Jesus into sin. He could not discourage Him, or drive Him from the work He had come to this earth to do. From the desert to Calvary the storm of Satan’s wrath beat upon Him, but the more mercilessly it fell, the more firmly did the Son of God cling to the hand of His Father, and press on in the blood-stained path (Manuscript 140, 1903).

    When Jesus took human nature, and became in fashion as a man, He possessed all the human organism. His necessities were the necessities of a man. He had bodily wants to be supplied, bodily weariness to be relieved. By prayer to the Father He was braced for duty and for trial (Letter 32, 1899).

    4 (chs. 10:18; 17:3). Christ’s Life Was Unborrowed—“In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.” It is not physical life that is here specified, but eternal life, the life which is exclusively the property of God. The Word, who was with God, and who was God, had this life. Physical life is something which each individual received. It is not eternal or immortal; for God, the Lifegiver, takes it again. Man has no control over his life. But the life of Christ was unborrowed. No one can take this life from Him. “I lay it down of myself,” He said. In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ. He cannot earn it; it is given him as a free gift if he will believe in Christ as his personal Saviour. “This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3. This is the open fountain of life for the world (The Signs of the Times, February 13, 1912). ..." [Pages 1129-1130]

    Ellen G White in this specific instance, was differentiating between the Persons of the Father ["the Lord God Almighty"] and The Son [Jesus Christ], and is the same as the Prophet Daniel in saying that the Father is the "Ancient of Days" and the Son, is one like unto the "Son of Man", in Daniel 7:9,13,22; even as other writers of the Scriptures so differentiated between the Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    Daniel 7:9 KJB - I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment [was] white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne [was like] the fiery flame, [and] his wheels [as] burning fire.

    Daniel 7:13 KJB - I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

    Daniel 7:22 KJB - Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.​

    Daniel was not saying that Jesus is not God, neither Deity, and neither was Ellen G White, for Ellen G White, is crystal clear that Jesus is indeed Eternal God, not the Father, neither the Holy Spirit, but the Son. She was distinguishing between persons. For instance:

    "... The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, the eternal Godhead ..." - Ms 45, May 14, 1904, par. 16; May 14, 1904

    "… The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption. ..." - Lt 12, January 21, 1901, par. 10

    "... The crowning glory of Christ's attributes is His holiness. The angels bow before Him in adoration, exclaiming, “Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty.” Revelation 4:8. He is declared to be glorious in His holiness. Study the character of God. By beholding Christ, by seeking Him in faith and prayer, you may become like Him. ..." - Counsels to Parents, Teachers, and Students, p. 402.2; 1913 (Ellen G. White)

    "... This same covenant was renewed to Abraham in the promise, “In thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.” Genesis 22:18. This promise pointed to Christ. So Abraham understood it (see Galatians 3:8, 16), and he trusted in Christ for the forgiveness of sins. It was this faith that was accounted unto him for righteousness. The covenant with Abraham also maintained the authority of God's law. The Lord appeared unto Abraham, and said, “I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.” Genesis 17:1. ..." - Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 370.3; 1890 (Ellen G. White)

    "... Jesus cares for each one as though there were not another individual on the face of the earth. As Deity, He exerts mighty power in our behalf, while as our Elder Brother He feels for all our woes. The Majesty of Heaven held not Himself aloof from degraded, sinful humanity...." - Lt 66, 1884, par. 13

    "... Those who strive for the Spirit of God will be rewarded in accordance with the promise, “As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.” My brethren and sisters, will you not awake out of sleep? Will you not pray, and watch unto prayer? Through the power that Jesus gives, we can be “more than conquerors.” But we can not manufacture this power. Only through the Spirit of God can we receive it. We need a deep insight into the nature of Christ and into the mystery of his love, “which passeth knowledge.” We are to live in the warm, genial rays of the Sun of Righteousness. Nothing but Christ's loving compassion, his divine grace, his almighty power, can enable us to baffle the relentless foe, and subdue the opposition of our own hearts. What is our strength?—The joy of the Lord. Let the love of Christ fill our hearts, and then we shall be prepared to receive the power that he has for us. ..." - The Review and Herald March 31, 1904 paragraph 2 (Ellen G. White)

    "... The three great and glorious heavenly characters are present on the occasion of baptism. All the human capabilities are to be henceforth consecrated powers to do service for God in representing the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost upon whom they depend. All heaven is represented by these three in covenant relation with the new life. “If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things that are above, where Christ sitteth at the right hand of God.” …" - Ms 45, 1904 (May 14, 1904) par. 18

    For instance in The Desire of Ages [1898], read closely the Chapter 52, which is aptly titled “The Divine Shepherd”:

    "“I am the Good Shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.” “I am the Good Shepherd, and know My sheep, and am known of Mine. As the Father knoweth Me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down My life for the sheep.”", page 476

    "...the True Shepherd..."; page 477

    ... Jesus is YHVH [the Son], the Shepherd, and plainly given in numerous places that Jesus is God, YHVH the Son,

    "As an earthly shepherd knows his sheep, so does the divine Shepherd know His flock that are scattered throughout the world. “Ye My flock, the flock of My pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord God.” Jesus says, “I have called thee by thy name; thou art Mine.” “I have graven thee upon the palms of My hands.” Ezekiel 34:31; Isaiah 43:1; 49:16. Jesus knows us individually,", page 479

    "While as a member of the human family He was mortal, as God He was the fountain of life for the world."; page 484 and so on...​

    Those which make such vile and baseless accusation against sister White and the Testimony, have never taken the time to read in context, nor to compare what the other Prophets of Scripture did.

    I have many, many more such quotations from sister white, in their properly cited contexts.
     
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  9. The7thColporteur

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    I asked for evidence, you evaded. Everyone can see that.
     
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    I believe in the doctrine of the trinity. What you say doesn't make Jesus the responsible party for the ten commandments. Jesus clearly give credit for them in John 15:10 with His comparative statement.

    Jesus isn't saying He's God the Father in your quoted statement. So you must be confused or are doing nothing but provoking another.
     
  11. JLB777

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    God’s word is the truth.

    You are the liar.

    The 10 commandments are God’s eternal commandments.

    They have not been abolished.

    The way the Sabbath is observed under the law of Moses has been abolished, because we no longer put people to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath.


    What I have asked for from you and you have repeatedly lied about providing, is New Testament scriptures from Jesus or the Apostles that specifically teach and instruct the. Hutch as to how to keep the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

    IOW, Any scripture that commands the Church to gather and worship Jesus on Saturday.

    Breaking a commandment is a sin, however if there is no commandment from the Lord or His Apostles about gathering on the Sabbath, (Saturday) to worship Jesus, how can you say a person is violating His commandment.


    Show me 1 scripture that commands the Church to gather and worship Jesus on Saturday or even Sunday.


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    Malachai 3:1 The word :lord is reference to a human or the human Jesus not regarded as God by the Jews.

    1 singular lord, master (1) reference to men: (a) superintendent of household, or of affairs

    2 plural lords, kings intensive plural of rank, lord, master, (1) reference to men

    3 suffix 1 singular (אֲדֹנַי) אֲדֹנִי (1) reference to men: my lord, my master, (a) master

    Your reference to Galatians 4:14 says nothing in regard to your comments.

    Daniel 12:1 Michael means who is like God. Jesus isn't Michael.

    Luke 13:25 Who is the Master of the house? Wouldn't that be God the Father?
    This is God the Father and not God the Son. See verse 5. Jeshurun is Israel, not Jerusalem.
    Is John 1:18 true?

    No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    If it's true what then does your verses really say?
    I disagree because Moses was told to cut stone and take it up the mountain. Exodus 34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
    What's your point? I do find your material interesting. I don't understand your purpose.
     
  13. Marco70

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    Whether the above was what was being referred to in the debate Ia listened to or not, I do not know. All I do know is, when it was stated that initially EGW did not believe Christ was God, the sda protagonist did not disagree. It is easy to listen to the debate, just go on you tube and look for it
     
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    Why is my statement a false accusation? You continually ask for such.
     
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    This is only a cover up statement.
     
  16. Cribstyl

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    You took these partial quotes out of context to make it appear as if the ten commandments (LAW) is the subject.
    The context show that when Jesus said "....abolish the law and the prophets", He's talking specifically about the entire Old Testament; Saying, "not one dot or comma written from Genesis-Malachi will be changed" or God cannot be THE ONE AND ONLY GOD. You're word-searching for ten commandments spin.
    Again, you're misleading and twisting the scripture to imply a creation Sabbath for all humanity to keep. Using a partial quote exposes the conspiracy. Which bible renders 'man' as 'mankind'?
    Truth is, Jesus is implying man as 'the children of Israel, NOT angels, NOT Gentiles or any other people. Wake up!!! God explains to whom He gave the Sabbath to. "Between me and you" does not mean the world at creation.Exo 31:17, Eze 20:12


    That's not entirely true. The Scribes and Pharisees always officiated with the teachings of law, and then they allowed Paul or other guest to be heard.


    Another partial quote that leaves out the fact, that God is making a reference of time, saying "monthly and weekly" all flesh shall come to worship me". This is NOT saying say that all flesh will be keeping the Sabbath. That's why SDA shamelessly leave out the monthly reference.
    Isa 66:23 - And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

    These stacked up claims are all irresponsible embellishments. Your motive to abuse scriptures are reprehensible.

    AHA...... You fail to understand that the "Sabbath that remains" is to enter where God's rested from creation. Those to whom it was first preached too, did not enter. It could not be talking about Adam. It cant be a ceremonial day, that was a sign. "The Children of Israel" are the people it was first preached too. WAKE UP!!!!
    Your response will dictate whether I will unravel more of your embellishments or not.
     
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    I would if it would be of any value for you. Besides that you've been here long enough to read what you ask for. If presented again you'll only reject it.
     
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    This is neither a command or proof Christians met in the synagogue.
     
  19. JLB777

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    Great scripture, and thanks for posting it.

    Yes line upon line, precept upon precept, which of course is a reference to building doctrine with context, each line establishing and building upon another.


    Brother, look at the context of verse 44.

    Like I said before, it was Paul’s custom to start in the synagogue with the Jews and proselyts to teach them from the OT scriptures about the Messiah, in order to get them to believe.

    Please stop taking this out of context, because these Jews who gathered in a synagogue on the Sabbath were unsaved, and were following the law of Moses.

    Here is your scripture in context.


    14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down. 15 And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, “Men and brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.”

    16 Then Paul stood up, and motioning with his hand said, “Men of Israel, and you who fear God, listen: 17 The God of this people Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an uplifted arm He brought them out of it. 18 Now for a time of about forty years He put up with their ways in the wilderness. 19 And when He had destroyed seven nations in the land of Canaan, He distributed their land to them by allotment.

    20 “After that He gave them judges for about four hundred and fifty years, until Samuel the prophet. 21 And afterward they asked for a king; so God gave them Saul the son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for forty years. 22 And when He had removed him, He raised up for them David as king, to whom also He gave testimony and said, ‘I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My own heart, who will do all My will.’ 23 From this man’s seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior—Jesus— 24 after John had first preached, before His coming, the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel. 25 And as John was finishing his course, he said, ‘Who do you think I am? I am not He. But behold, there comes One after me, the sandals of whose feet I am not worthy to loose.’

    26 “Men and brethren, sons of the family of Abraham, and those among you who fear God, to you the word of this salvation has been sent. 27 For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him. 28 And though they found no cause for death in Him, they asked Pilate that He should be put to death. 29 Now when they had fulfilled all that was written concerning Him, they took Him down from the tree and laid Him in a tomb. 30 But God raised Him from the dead. 31 He was seen for many days by those who came up with Him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are His witnesses to the people. 32 And we declare to you glad tidings—that promise which was made to the fathers. 33 God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm:

    ‘You are My Son,
    Today I have begotten You.’

    34 And that He raised Him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, He has spoken thus:

    ‘I will give you the sure mercies of David.’

    35 Therefore He also says in another Psalm:

    ‘You will not allow Your Holy One to see corruption.’

    36 “For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell asleep, was buried with his fathers, and saw corruption; 37 but He whom God raised up saw no corruption. 38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. 40 Beware therefore, lest what has been spoken in the prophets come upon you:

    Behold, you despisers,
    Marvel and perish!
    For I work a work in your days,
    A work which you will by no means believe,
    Though one were to declare it to you.’”


    42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

    44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us:

    ‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
    That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’”

    48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

    49 And the word of the Lord was being spread throughout all the region. 50 But the Jews stirred up the devout and prominent women and the chief men of the city, raised up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their region. 51 But they shook off the dust from their feet against them, and came to Iconium. 52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.
    Acts 13:14-52


    Again, please read the context.


    So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

    44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

    45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul.


    Again the Jews and proselytes who gathered on the Sabbath, were unsaved, unbelievers, not the Church gathering to worship Jesus.

    Furthermore the Jews opposed the message of the Gospel, and stirred up the city against Paul, blaspheming and contradicting his message.

    The whole city had never heard these things before and wanted to hear more, so they went back to the synagogue where they thought Paul would be, to hear what Paul said because they were hungry for the word, not because there was a commandment from Jesus or the Apostles to gather on the Sabbath to worship Jesus, but because they were drawn by the Spirit to hear about God’s kingdom and eternal life.


    Please read these things in context, and don’t be persuaded by false teachers.

    You are free to worship on whatever day you want.

    The Lord knows man needs to rest each week and has made a day for that.

    If you are convinced to gather with brothers and sisters to worship on Saturday then do so, if Sunday or Wednesday or what ever day then do so.

    Each person should be convinced about this matter in their own mind.


    As Paul gave instruction about this -

    • One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.


    One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Romans 14:5-10



    JLB
     
  20. LoveGodsWord

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    Amazing. All I have quoted is you and God's WORD. Someone is not telling the truth and I am sure it is not God's WORD as God's WORD is spirit and truth (John 6:63)

    Well there you go something we can agree on :oldthumbsup: Then there is no excuse for you to break God's 4th Commandment (James 2:8-12).

    Indeed we are living in the NEW COVENANT and no longer need to follow the SHADOWS of the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) was never the same as MOSAIC BOOK of SHADOW laws.

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    God's WORD disagrees with you...

    Now you already agreed there is no scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY.

    Now if there is NO scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLSIEHD and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY where is your argument?

    Why would God need to give any of the 10 commandments again when they were already given to mankind 4000 years earlier and God's people already had them?

    Scripture has already been provided to you answering your questions in relation to God's Sabbath in the NEW TESTAMENT. You have chosen to ignore it.

    Building on the OLD TESTAMENT in the NEW TESTAMENT .....

    In your view...

    1. Jesus DID NOT TEACH that it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath? (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)

    2. Jesus DID NOT TEACH that God's Sabbath was made for mankind and not man for the Sabbath rebuking the tradtions of the Jew in regards to their traditions and interpretation around Sabbath keeping? (Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:8)

    3. Jesus DID NOT TEACH that he was the maker and creator of the Sabbath and the God of creation? (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)

    4. Jesus IS NOT OUR EXAMPLE who kept the Sabbath as well as all those who followed him (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

    5. Jesus DID NOT TEACH that if break God's Commandments and teach others to do so will not enter God's Kingdom? (Matt 5:19)

    6. Jesus DID NOT TEACH that not a jot or tittle will pass from God's LAW until heaven and earth pass away? (Matthew 5:18)

    7. Jesus DID NOT TEACH that on the two great commandments of LOVE to GOD and MAN hang ALL the LAW and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40)

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    Paul DID NOT WARN US that those who do NOT believe and follow GOD do not enter into God's Sabbath rest because of their SINS and UNBELIEF (Hebrews 3-4)

    9. Paul DID NOT KEEP the Sabbath with both Jews and Gentiles (Acts 13:14-15; 42-44; Acts 16:13; Acts 17-1-2; Acts 18:4-5)

    10. Jesus, Paul, James, John and Peter DID NOT KEEP the Sabbath and taught there is 10 Commandments which includes the Sabbath and if you break anyone of God's Commandments you stand guilty before God of breaking all of them (James 2:8-12; Romans 7:7; 3:20; 1 John 3:4).

    Why would Jesus and the Apostles give us further instruction in relation to Sabbath keeping building on the OLD TESTAMENET scriptures if we no longer need to keep it? (Point 1, 2, 3, 6)

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    Now JBL who is lying? I BELIEVE God's WORD and it does not agree with you, unless you want to call Jesus, Paul, James and Peter all liars?

    ROMANS 3:4 [4], God forbid: yes, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged.

    Only God's WORD is true and you have not provided any for your teachings.

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    Now please show me one scripture that says God's 4th Commandments is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? If you cannot why do you break God's 4th Commandment?

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    It seems God's WORD disagrees with you my friend.

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    SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

    Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).


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