God's TEN Commandments: Keep them? or break them?

[Gregory Thompson]

But that does not do away with the outside, it just lines them up.

Jesus said . clean the inside first . from all estimations of preaching from human history . we won't get the inside entirely clean . so we can just focus on that . it at least produces the fruit he wants .

Jesus did not say clean the inside and outside . but .. that by cleaning the inside the outside will be made clean also .

keeping it simple and child like is really important . focussing on the outside tends to turn people into pharisees . and sometimes worse . so i don't teach that .

 

[maco]

Jesus said . clean the inside first . from all estimations of preaching from human history . we won't get the inside entirely clean . so we can just focus on that . it at least produces the fruit he wants .

Jesus did not say clean the inside and outside . but .. that by cleaning the inside the outside will be made clean also .

keeping it simple and child like is really important . focussing on the outside tends to turn people into pharisees . and sometimes worse . so i don't teach that .

I'm not sure where you are trying to go with your reasoning. It sounds like you're trying to justify something that is unbiblical. The goal of God cleaning the inside is so that the outside will be clean too. I understand sometimes our behavior (Outside) needs time to catch up to our inside but it is a goal of God in our lives. Faith is inward but a compete faith is inward with an outward manifestation.

James 2:17-19 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

 

[SAAN]

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley

All of them argue for the continued application of ALL TEN commandments to the saints today - starting in Eden and continued to this very day.

So while some Christian groups oppose them - there are quite a number in support of the TEN commandments - because under the New Covenant God writes the Law of God on the heart and mind according to Jer 31:31-33 and also Hebrews 8.

No wonder then Paul can say when contrasting the ceremonial law with the moral law of God "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

And as both John and Paul state keeping the Law of God is not something the lost will do - or CAN do. It is only for saved saints.


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Rom 8
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Paul makes the point that the lost would be at war with the Law of God - but the saints under the New Covenant condition of the Law written on the heart - would not.

What are your thoughts?

in Christ,

Bob

Here are the commands he listed over and over and he said what his commands were.

John 14:15
Jesus Promises Another Helper

15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
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When Jesus said if you Love me you will keep my commandments, what were his commandments??? Lets look at every example

John 13
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

and

John 15:10-14
10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

11 “These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. 12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.

and

1 John 3:23
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us[a] commandment.

and

1 John 4:21
21 And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.

and

2 John 1:4-6
Walk in Christ’s Commandments

4 I rejoiced greatly that I have found some of your children walking in truth, as we received commandment from the Father. 5 And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another. 6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.


Jesus never once commanded anyone to keep the Sabbath. He might have turned over tables for the things they were doing in the temple, but there is not one verse in the entire NT in which Jesus, Paul or the Apostles say if you dont keep the Sabbath, you will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Not turning this into a Sabbath debate, so back to the topic at hand: Jesus commands were to Love one another and the said him self the whole bible is summed up as Loving God and Loving one another.

 

[BobRyan]

Here are the commands he listed over and over and he said what his commands were.

John 14:15
Jesus Promises Another Helper

15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
==========

When Jesus said if you Love me you will keep my commandments, what were his commandments??? Lets look at every example

John 13
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

and

John 15:10-14
10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
r.

"Do we then make VOID the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God" Rom 3:31

While some would argue that God's commandments got deleted before the cross - most today would agree that they applied at least until the cross.

Your post appears to argue that some years before the Cross - the Commandments of God as recorded in scripture were deleted.

Jesus appears to refute that idea in Matt 5 and in Mark 7:6-13 Jesus condemns the religious leaders of his day for daring to set aside even one of the commandments of God and replace it with the traditions of man.

Mark 7
And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’

8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

Of course Christ declares His entire ministry to be in full support of the Law of God - as it turns out.

Matt 5
7 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



Now what is fascinating is that in Ephesians 6 - Paul does NOT quote Christ in Mark 7 when it comes to the 5th commandment - but rather Paul goes to MOSES when it comes to that same 5th commandment.

Eph 6:
6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise: 3 “that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth.”

Vs 3 in Eph 6 is right out of Ex 20:12 but it is NOT at all in Mark 7 - Christ's rendering of that same commandment. Paul was not quoting Mark 7 -- He was quoting MOSES.


Is it any wonder then these other Christian sources are so much in agreement with "what matters is keeping the COMMANDMENTS of GOD" 1Cor 7:19??

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Christ himself equates "Word of God" and "Commandment of God" with Law of Moses" in Mark 7.

9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said,

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Say Bob would you mind listing those groups that keep the Sabbath? You say there're a lot of them which I question. Only 4 of them come to mind.

Now when you say that certain groups preach the Ten Commandments are a requirement, how many teach the keeping of the 4th? For instance I know for a fact D.L. Moody, R.C Sproul and Stanley don't .

Here is D.L. Moody on the 4th commandment -- free online text.

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Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; if you give up the church the home goes; and if the home goes the nation goes. That is the direction in which we are traveling.

The church of God is losing its power on account of so many people giving up the Sabbath, and using it to promote selfishness. [/FONT]

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HOW TO OBSERVE THE SABBATH[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]"Sabbath" means "rest," and the meaning of the word gives a hint as to the true way to observe the day. God rested after creation, and ordained the Sabbath as a rest for man. He blessed it and hallowed it. Remember the rest-day to keep it holy.

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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Moody believed ALL TEN commandments were binding on the saints from Eden to his own day. But he would certainly be willing to "bend" the 4th commandment to point it to any day one might wish out of the week.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[BobRyan]

Since the question is also asked about the "Baptist Confession of Faith" affirmation of the TEN commandments as binding on all saints from Eden to this very day...

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[FONT=&quot]CH Spurgeon[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
“The Perpetuity of the Law of God”
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Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it.

Section 19 of the Baptist Confession of Faith .

Section 19
. The Law of God

• God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

• The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

• Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

• To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

• The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.

• Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ and the perfection of His own obedience. It is of further use to regenerate people to restrain their corruptions, because of the way in which it forbids sin. The threatenings of the law serve to show what their sins actually deserve, and what troubles may be expected in this life because of these sins even by regenerate people who are freed from the curse and undiminished rigours of the law. The promises connected with the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept and obeyed, though blessing will not come to them because they have satisfied the law as a covenant of works. If a man does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages to the good and deters him from the evil, that is no evidence that he is under the law rather than under grace.

• The aforementioned uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but they sweetly comply with it, as the Spirit of Christ subdues and enables the will of man to do freely and cheerfully those things which the will of God, which is revealed in the law, requires to be done.

 

[MJohn7]

you just got the order wrong . clean the cup on the inside first before even looking at the outside . this cleans the outside automatically . or so Jesus said

Not that im in agreement with SDA, im unsure what they teach. But cleaning the inside means to have faith in Christ who said we're clean, but it also means to cleanse our self. It means to judge ourself and clean our minds of evil thoughts and motives, and to abstain from works of the flesh.



2 Co 7 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.


James 1:27 Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.



1 Ti 6:6 Now godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain[c] we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

11 But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life,


Titus 3:4 And let our people also learn to maintain good works, to meet urgent needs, that they may not be unfruitful.

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[ViaCrucis]

I'll take seriously the Sabbatarians as soon as they decide to stop playing fast and loose with the Torah by arbitrarily cherry picking which parts of the Torah are to be observed and which parts are not.

It would also help if they didn't add to the commandments with their own man-made laws. You know, like saying that we have to gather together on Saturday for worship. Something the commandment doesn't say.

Until then I'm going to quite happily shrug it all off as the hubris it is.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[maco]

Here are the commands he listed over and over and he said what his commands were.

John 14:15
Jesus Promises Another Helper

15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
==========

When Jesus said if you Love me you will keep my commandments, what were his commandments??? Lets look at every example

John 13
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

and

John 15:10-14
10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

11 “These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. 12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.

and

1 John 3:23
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us[a] commandment.

and

1 John 4:21
21 And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.

and

2 John 1:4-6
Walk in Christ’s Commandments

4 I rejoiced greatly that I have found some of your children walking in truth, as we received commandment from the Father. 5 And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another. 6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

Jesus never once commanded anyone to keep the Sabbath. He might have turned over tables for the things they were doing in the temple, but there is not one verse in the entire NT in which Jesus, Paul or the Apostles say if you dont keep the Sabbath, you will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Not turning this into a Sabbath debate, so back to the topic at hand: Jesus commands were to Love one another and the said him self the whole bible is summed up as Loving God and Loving one another.

The teachings of Jesus usher His people into the spirit or purpose of the Law which is love. The Law says, "Do not commit adultery". If we don't commit adultery but we lust in our heart is that really expressing love? The Law says, "Do no kill" If I don't kill my brother but I angry him is that really expressing love? Now lets take the spirit of the Law over to the Sabbath. The Sabbath is still the seventh day and its still a blessed and sanctified day but are we to exalt the Sabbath over showing compassion towards others? Jesus says, no! The Jews had the letter of the Law down pat but they missed the spirit of the Law in the teachings of Jesus. Lets take this time to really learn what Jesus taught about the seventh day.

Matthew 12:1-5 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!” But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the show bread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?

To a Jew living by the letter of the Law it was a sin to pick grain on the Sabbath. Jesus says, "If you're hungry, and its the seventh day, get something to eat". Celebrating the day does not take priority over your needs.

Matthew 12:9-12 Now when He had departed from there, He went into their synagogue. And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—that they might accuse Him. Then He said to them, “What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

To a Jew living by the letter of the Law is was a sin to heal someone on the Sabbath. Jesus says, "Are you kidding, people created in God's image are more important than celebrating a day". "As a matter of fact, doing anything good on the seventh day is lawful."

Matthew 12:10-12 And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—that they might accuse Him. Then He said to them, “What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

To a Jew living by the letter of the Law they would question whether it was lawful to heal on the Sabbath. Jesus says, "You take of that man, as a matter of fact, you take care of every living creature that needs help on the seventh day"

Mark 3:1-5 And He entered the synagogue again, and a man was there who had a withered hand. So they watched Him closely, whether He would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse Him. And He said to the man who had the withered hand, “Step forward.” Then He said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they kept silent. And when He had looked around at them with anger, being grieved by the hardness of their hearts, He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored as whole as the other.

To a Jew living under the letter of the Law they would be watching to see if Jesus healed on the Sabbath. Jesus says, "The seventh day is a special day but that does not mean it's unlawful to do good" Doing something good on the seventh day comes in all forms, shapes and sizes. If you're not killing someone or doing evil on the seventh day it's lawful.

So who do we honor the seventh day? By gathering for sacred assembly, singing songs of praise and worship, preaching and teaching the family of God, sharing testimonies, potluck dinners, cookouts, hikes in God's creation, visiting these who are sick, visiting those in prison, serving, fellowshiping and anything else you can think of. The seventh day is special so take the day off to celebrate and enjoy it.

 

[MJohn7]

The teachings of Jesus usher His people into the spirit or purpose of the Law which is love.

That covers love, but we are exhorted to follow more than love.

1 But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life,

 

[from scratch]

But that does not do away with the outside, it just lines them up. The Pharisees were hypocrites because though they didn't murder (Outward) they hated (Inward). Hate is the root of murder so they are equal.

Didn't Jesus call them whited sepulchers?

 

[from scratch]

I'm not sure where you are trying to go with your reasoning. It sounds like you're trying to justify something that is unbiblical. The goal of God cleaning the inside is so that the outside will be clean too. I understand sometimes our behavior (Outside) needs time to catch up to our inside but it is a goal of God in our lives. Faith is inward but a compete faith is inward with an outward manifestation.

James 2:17-19 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

So why force the issue? You did say God's goal.

 

[from scratch]

Here are the commands he listed over and over and he said what his commands were.

John 14:15
Jesus Promises Another Helper

Not in anything you cite or quote.

15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
==========

When Jesus said if you Love me you will keep my commandments, what were his commandments??? Lets look at every example

John 13
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

and

John 15:10-14
10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

11 “These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. 12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.

and

1 John 3:23
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us[a] commandment.

and

1 John 4:21
21 And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.

and

2 John 1:4-6
Walk in Christ’s Commandments

4 I rejoiced greatly that I have found some of your children walking in truth, as we received commandment from the Father. 5 And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another. 6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.


Jesus never once commanded anyone to keep the Sabbath. He might have turned over tables for the things they were doing in the temple, but there is not one verse in the entire NT in which Jesus, Paul or the Apostles say if you dont keep the Sabbath, you will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Not turning this into a Sabbath debate, so back to the topic at hand: Jesus commands were to Love one another and the said him self the whole bible is summed up as Loving God and Loving one another.

Have you switched or something?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by maco

But that does not do away with the outside, it just lines them up. The Pharisees were hypocrites because though they didn't murder (Outward) they hated (Inward). Hate is the root of murder so they are equal.

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Didn't Jesus call them whited sepulchers?

Paul said something similar in Act...

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
JESUS AND PAUL VS THE CORRUPT JEWISH RULERS

Matt 23:27
'Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
That ye are likened to sepulchres, whitewashed, who-any outwardly indeed appearing beautiful, within yet are being replete of bones of dead-ones, and of every uncleanness

Acts 23:
2 The yet Chief-priest Ananias enjoins those standing beside him to be smiting of him the mouth.
3 Then the Paul said toward him, "to be smiting thee is being about the God.
Wall! whitewashed, and thou, thou dost sitting judging me according to the law, and being beside law, ordering me to be being smitten!' [Matt 23:27/Revelation 6:16]

Pink Floyd - Another Brick in the Wall - YouTube


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[maco]

That covers love, but we are exhorted to follow more than love.

1 But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life,

Love is a neutral force that can be molded to fit any need or desire. The key is to love God's truth so that you can be saved by it's life giving ability.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

When you love truth you won't let anything interfere with the truth.

 

[from scratch]

Here is D.L. Moody on the 4th commandment -- free online text.

=========================D.L. Moody quoted
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Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; if you give up the church the home goes; and if the home goes the nation goes. That is the direction in which we are traveling.

The church of God is losing its power on account of so many people giving up the Sabbath, and using it to promote selfishness. [/FONT]

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HOW TO OBSERVE THE SABBATH[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]"Sabbath" means "rest," and the meaning of the word gives a hint as to the true way to observe the day. God rested after creation, and ordained the Sabbath as a rest for man. He blessed it and hallowed it. Remember the rest-day to keep it holy.

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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Moody believed ALL TEN commandments were binding on the saints from Eden to his own day. But he would certainly be willing to "bend" the 4th commandment to point it to any day one might wish out of the week.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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You're too late and a dollar short. I've already read this found here - http://www.christianforums.com/t7680094/#post61167700

You probably remember the debate.

 

[maco]

Didn't Jesus call them whited sepulchers?

It's so, so easy to just keep denying everything and never really holding to anything. I bet that whatever you believe I can find verses to refute it. So what should we do about that? We should study to find the bigger picture and focus on that. The bigger picture is that God will have a people He can call His own. They will be a pacular people, a royal priesthood and a holy nation. This cannot be done with His Law.

 

[from scratch]

Paul said something similar in Act...

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
JESUS AND PAUL VS THE CORRUPT JEWISH RULERS

Matt 23:27
'Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
That ye are likened to sepulchres, whitewashed, who-any outwardly indeed appearing beautiful, within yet are being replete of bones of dead-ones, and of every uncleanness

Acts 23:
2 The yet Chief-priest Ananias enjoins those standing beside him to be smiting of him the mouth.
3 Then the Paul said toward him, "to be smiting thee is being about the God.
Wall! whitewashed, and thou, thou dost sitting judging me according to the law, and being beside law, ordering me to be being smitten!' [Matt 23:27/Revelation 6:16]

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Hey thanks. I forgot Paul said that.

 

[from scratch]

It's so, so easy to just keep denying everything and never really holding to anything. I bet that whatever you believe I can find verses to refute it. So what should we do about that? We should study to find the bigger picture and focus on that. The bigger picture is that God will have a people He can call His own. They will be a pacular people, a royal priesthood and a holy nation. This cannot be done with His Law.

So what did I deny?

 

[MJohn7]

The key is to love God's truth so that you can be saved by it's life giving ability.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

When you love truth you won't let anything interfere with the truth.

Amen.

1 But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life,



Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.

Ecc 4:12 Though one may be overpowered by another, two can withstand him.
And a threefold cord is not quickly broken.

1 Co 13:13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love