God's TEN Commandments: Keep them? or break them?

[BobRyan]

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley

All of them argue for the continued application of ALL TEN commandments to the saints today - starting in Eden and continued to this very day.

So while some Christian groups oppose them - there are quite a number in support of the TEN commandments - because under the New Covenant God writes the Law of God on the heart and mind according to Jer 31:31-33 and also Hebrews 8.

No wonder then Paul can say when contrasting the ceremonial law with the moral law of God "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

And as both John and Paul state keeping the Law of God is not something the lost will do - or CAN do. It is only for saved saints.


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Rom 8
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Paul makes the point that the lost would be at war with the Law of God - but the saints under the New Covenant condition of the Law written on the heart - would not.

What are your thoughts?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[maco]

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley

All of them argue for the continued application of ALL TEN commandments to the saints today - starting in Eden and continued to this very day.

So while some Christian groups oppose them - there are quite a number in support of the TEN commandments - because under the New Covenant God writes the Law of God on the heart and mind according to Jer 31:31-33 and also Hebrews 8.

No wonder then Paul can say when contrasting the ceremonial law with the moral law of God "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

And as both John and Paul state keeping the Law of God is not something the lost will do - or CAN do. It is only for saved saints.


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Rom 8
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Paul makes the point that the lost would be at war with the Law of God - but the saints under the New Covenant condition of the Law written on the heart - would not.

What are your thoughts?

in Christ,

Bob

Praise God for this insight!

The Ten Commandments are the only part of the Bible that is written with God's very own finger. They define righteousness but they also define godly love. The first four teach us how to express love towards God and the last six teach us how to express love towards our neighbor. You can't say that you love God yet you use His name in vain, worship other gods, forget the seventh day blessing nor can you say you love your neighbor yet you steal from him and lie to him.

As a new covenant follower of Christ we do not use the Law as a means to be accepted by God because we are already accepted by God in Christ. As a new covenant follower of Christ we do not use our ability to obey the Law as a means to establish our value in the eyes of God. We were already valuable to God even while we were yet living in sin. As a new covenant follower of Christ our obedience to the Law becomes our expression of godly love.

Love is a powerful force that needs to be controlled and defined by God otherwise we may find ourselves loving and excepting things that are ungodly.

 

[Lion King]

Why ten commandments only? God gave us more than 10 commands to keep...

 

[from scratch]

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley

All of them argue for the continued application of ALL TEN commandments to the saints today - starting in Eden and continued to this very day.

So while some Christian groups oppose them - there are quite a number in support of the TEN commandments - because under the New Covenant God writes the Law of God on the heart and mind according to Jer 31:31-33 and also Hebrews 8.

No wonder then Paul can say when contrasting the ceremonial law with the moral law of God "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

And as both John and Paul state keeping the Law of God is not something the lost will do - or CAN do. It is only for saved saints.


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Rom 8
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Paul makes the point that the lost would be at war with the Law of God - but the saints under the New Covenant condition of the Law written on the heart - would not.

What are your thoughts?

in Christ,

Bob

Say Bob would you mind listing those groups that keep the Sabbath? You say there're a lot of them which I question. Only 4 of them come to mind.

Now when you say that certain groups preach the Ten Commandments are a requirement, how many teach the keeping of the 4th? For instance I know for a fact D.L. Moody, R.C Sproul and Stanley don't and don't keep the 7th day Sabbath. MoreCoffee says and shows the RC don't teach it as a requirement and their main worship activities are on Sunday. Yes you can quote quips out of context to prove your point.

I want to know if you think of those groups who worship on Sunday as pagan idol worshippers. Maco does as he's stated such. Are you united with him in his effort? I didn't asked if you're buddies.

Essentially I think you've stated those who don't keep the Sabbath are lost as in not Christians with you closing remarks.

 

[maco]

from scratch;

I want to know if you think of those groups who worship on Sunday as pagan idol worshippers. Maco does as he's stated such. Are you united with him in his effort? I didn't asked if you're buddies.

I should report you for slander. I never said Christians who worship on Sunday are pagan idol worshipers. I said Sunday has it's origin in sun worship which has its root in Babylon. I also said that sun worshipers call Sunday, "The Venerable Day of the Sun". Your continued slander to discredit the truth that I'm sharing will only expose your mission to wear out the saints.

 

[from scratch]

Praise God for this insight!

The Ten Commandments are the only part of the Bible that is written with God's very own finger. They define righteousness but they also define godly love. The first four teach us how to express love towards God and the last six teach us how to express love towards our neighbor. You can't say that you love God yet you use His name in vain, worship other gods, forget the seventh day blessing nor can you say you love your neighbor yet you steal from him and lie to him.

As a new covenant follower of Christ we do not use the Law as a means to be accepted by God because we are already accepted by God in Christ. As a new covenant follower of Christ we do not use our ability to obey the Law as a means to establish our value in the eyes of God. We were already valuable to God even while we were yet living in sin. As a new covenant follower of Christ our obedience to the Law becomes our expression of godly love.

Love is a powerful force that needs to be controlled and defined by God otherwise we may find ourselves loving and excepting things that are ungodly.

No. Obedience to the law provides self righteousness, self justification and gloating rights. It also means you're trying to get into heaven by your own works. Jesus said such are thieves and robbers. The only way into heaven is through Jesus and nothing by our own works.

The quoting of various passages of Revelation show that self justification by compliance to the law will admit one to heaven. False. This by passes a need for the Savior.

 

[maco]

No. Obedience to the law provides self righteousness, self justification and gloating rights. It also means you're trying to get into heaven by your own works.

Satan is so deceptive. He even has people believing they are not under the Law, when in fact, they are because of the way they view the Law. Amazing!

You believe obedience only proves self righteousness, self justification and gloating yet you don't murder. Since you don't murder you must be self righteousness, self justified and gloating. You are under the Law.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. (Matthew 23:24-26)

 

[Gregory Thompson]

you just got the order wrong . clean the cup on the inside first before even looking at the outside . this cleans the outside automatically . or so Jesus said

 

[maco]

You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. (Matthew 23:24-26)

We need to be clean on the inside by being washed by the washing of water of the word.

Ephesians 5:25-27 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

What this is saying is that we must understand what God is saying and doing in us in that He is conforming us to the image of His son. Don't receive and believe the truth and then live a life that contradicts what you believe. If you do you are a hypocrite.

When we're faithful to the truth that is on the inside the outside (behavior) will follow.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

We need to be clean on the inside by being washed by the washing of water of the word.

Ephesians 5:25-27 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

What this is saying is that we must understand what God is saying and doing in us in that He is conforming us to the image of His son. Don't believe the truth live a life that contradicts what you believe. If you do you are a hypocrite.

When we're faithful to the truth that is on the inside the outside (behavior) will follow.

Jesus also said . "you are now clean by the words i have spoken to you"

Jesus is identified by the same gospel as the word of God so keeping the bible in context

"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

the word that washes are the words that Jesus spiritually communicates to us daily .

 

[maco]

Jesus also said . "you are now clean by the words i have spoken to you"

Jesus is identified by the same gospel as the word of God so keeping the bible in context

"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

the word that washes are the words that Jesus spiritual communicates to us daily .

Amen! Now we are to walk in what Jesus taught and His daily inspiration in light of what He taught. Jesus said it's lawful to do good on THE Sabbath.

Jesus said it's lawful to do what on the what?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Amen! Now we are to walk in what Jesus taught and His daily inspiration in light of what He taught. Jesus said it's lawful to do good on THE Sabbath.

Jesus said it's lawful to do what on the what?

you don't like Paul do you?

 

[maco]

you don't like Paul do you?

Does Paul contradict Jesus? We must understand Paul in light of Jesus.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Does Paul contradict Jesus? We must understand Paul in light of Jesus.

you must also take all of Jesus' teachings in context

“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it. (Luke 16:16)

the age of the law was over after john the baptist and the new covenant was ratified by the blood of Jesus . there's a subtle shift of purpose there between the two . which accounts for a lot of confusion .

 

[maco]

you must also take all of Jesus' teachings in context

“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it. (Luke 16:16)

the age of the law was over after john the baptist and the new covenant was ratified by the blood of Jesus . there's a subtle shift of purpose there between the two . which accounts for a lot of confusion .

The only change are the terms that are found in the covenants. Under the new covenant it's still wrong to break God's Law, you just have grace now when you do.

Listen to the transition of covenants.

The lady was caught in the act of adultery, which is a violation of the Law. The Law demands that she be stoned. This is true, but Jesus says no to the stoning but He also says do not break the Law again.

John 8:3-11 Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear. So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It sounds like you're justifying your beliefs with the biblical text . which means you've already decided what you want to think about it . i appreciate your explanation of your decision to think that way . but i think differently on the topic .

 

[maco]

It sounds like you're justifying your beliefs with the biblical text . which means you've already decided what you want to think about it . i appreciate your explanation of your decision to think that way . but i think differently on the topic .

Do you think it's right to murder, lie, steal, worship other gods, use the Lord's name in vain and so on?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Do you think it's right to murder, lie, steal, worship other gods, use the Lord's name in vain and so on?

ah now you do the accusatory question . quite classic . read my earlier responses . the focus shifted between covenants .

from body cleansing to inner cleansing .

have you read how hating someone is equivalent to murder? and looking at a women with inflamed sense of passion is the same as adultery?

focussing on the outside just isn't good enough . it does not produce the fruit Jesus is looking for .

 

[maco]

ah now you do the accusatory question . quite classic . read my earlier responses . the focus shifted between covenants .

from body cleansing to inner cleansing .

have you read how hating someone is equivalent to murder? and looking at a women with inflamed sense of passion is the same as adultery?

focussing on the outside just isn't good enough . it does not produce the fruit Jesus is looking for .

But that does not do away with the outside, it just lines them up. The Pharisees were hypocrites because though they didn't murder (Outward) they hated (Inward). Hate is the root of murder so they are equal.