Gods Sabbath Day (2)

[Cliff2]

Just for a moment we live in a world where the ten commandments have been done away with, some would say nailed to the cross.

What is going to stop me from stealing etc?

Nothing at all.

 

[Windmill]

Well, thats what I mean, where do the morals come from? Every single commandment is reinforced in the new testemant, even the sabbath one.

 

[Cliff2]

Well, thats what I mean, where do the morals come from? Every single commandment is reinforced in the new testemant, even the sabbath one.

True, they can only come from the ten commandments.

Why do we have so much crime in the world?

I believe it is because God's law has been down graded by many.

If young people are told often enough that the law has been nailed to the cross then what is to stop them breaking any of the laws?

I say nothing at all.

 

[JustinWindsor]

There are plenty of moral lessons throughout the word of God to point us toward moral behaviour. In fact, in the New Testament Jesus pointed us to a much higher standard than the Old. He said that adultery took place even if you lust after a woman, apart from the actual act. He said that even if we anger or hate, it is if we have committed murder. He had two reasons for these teachings. One, to show us that God's standards of righteousness are very high indeed and without Him we can do nothing good, ...and two, to point us toward a godly attitude of heart, rather than just following a set of rules.

What you've suggested is antinomianism. The belief that if Christ paid for all our sins then we can sin all the more. Paul says clearly "May it never be" and the apostolic moral teachings of the New Testament, stand alongside the moral lessons of the OT to witness to us the value of pursuing a godly lifestyle.

May God Bless

Just for a moment we live in a world where the ten commandments have been done away with, some would say nailed to the cross.

What is going to stop me from stealing etc?

Nothing at all.

 

[Windmill]

There are plenty of moral lessons throughout the word of God to point us toward moral behaviour. In fact, in the New Testament Jesus pointed us to a much higher standard than the Old. He said that adultery took place even if you lust after a woman, apart from the actual act. He said that even if we anger or hate, it is if we have committed murder. He had two reasons for these teachings. One, to show us that God's standards of righteousness are very high indeed and without Him we can do nothing good, ...and two, to point us toward a godly attitude of heart, rather than just following a set of rules.

What you've suggested is antinomianism. The belief that if Christ paid for all our sins then we can sin all the more. Paul says clearly "May it never be" and the apostolic moral teachings of the New Testament, stand alongside the moral lessons of the OT to witness to us the value of pursuing a godly lifestyle.

May God Bless

So you're saying that what christ taught shows whats sin and whats not? Great! That means the sabbath day is still Saturday and you are still sinning if you do not keep it. XP Honestly, its reinfored.

 

[BrightCandle]

There are plenty of moral lessons throughout the word of God to point us toward moral behaviour. In fact, in the New Testament Jesus pointed us to a much higher standard than the Old. He said that adultery took place even if you lust after a woman, apart from the actual act. He said that even if we anger or hate, it is if we have committed murder. He had two reasons for these teachings. One, to show us that God's standards of righteousness are very high indeed and without Him we can do nothing good, ...and two, to point us toward a godly attitude of heart, rather than just following a set of rules.

What you've suggested is antinomianism. The belief that if Christ paid for all our sins then we can sin all the more. Paul says clearly "May it never be" and the apostolic moral teachings of the New Testament, stand alongside the moral lessons of the OT to witness to us the value of pursuing a godly lifestyle.

May God Bless

I noticed from your profile that you are pastor. Let me ask you this question: If Jesus by his life and teachings came to give depth and broadness to God's law, when it comes to its application to our lives, and our relation to other people, and to God himself; and we see that by Jesus' example that He kept the Sabbath on the 7th day, why should we now in our time, not remember and keep the Sabbath the way Jesus did?

 

[Cliff2]

Jesus is our ultimate example, He kept the 7th day Sabbath. Why would we want to change?

 

[Cliff2]

John 13:15
For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you

Luke 4:16
He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.

Jesus set us an example, why not follow it.

It was His custom to go and worship on the Sabbath.

 

[Cliff2]

John 13:15
For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you

Luke 4:16
He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.

Jesus set us an example, why not follow it.

It was His custom to go and worship on the Sabbath.

We also see that it was the custom of Paul to go to Church on the Sabbath, the 7th day of the week.

If we were to do the same today we would be in good company

 

[Oblio]

We also see that it was the custom of Paul to go to Church on the Sabbath, the 7th day of the week.

If we were to do the same today we would be in good company

I suppose so, if your ministry, as was St. Paul's, is to convert the lost Jews to Christianity.

 

[Cliff2]

I suppose so, if your ministry, as was St. Paul's, is to convert the lost Jews to Christianity.

It is not just the lost Jews but it is the same for everyone. The lost Jews do not come into it. The Gentiles also came on the Sabbath.

 

[Oblio]

The Gentiles also came on the Sabbath.

Of course they did, for that was when St. Paul was converting the Jews and the synagogues were open for business. If he were converting Muslims, they would have come on a Friday.

 

[Cliff2]

Of course they did, for that was when St. Paul was converting the Jews and the synagogues were open for business. If he were converting Muslims, they would have come on a Friday.

Paul or anyone today can hold an evangelistic meeting on any day of the week. That has nothing to with what day the Sabbath is.

But is says it was the custom for Paul to go into the church and preach. It does not say that is was his custom to that on the first day of the week but it was on the Sabbath.

 

[Cliff2]

Paul or anyone today can hold an evangelistic meeting on any day of the week. That has nothing to with what day the Sabbath is.

But is says it was the custom for Paul to go into the church and preach. It does not say that is was his custom to that on the first day of the week but it was on the Sabbath.

Just want to remind people that soon it will be God's Sabbath day. The day He set apart for us to rest on.

It is not the first day but He set apart the seventh day of the week.

 

[Oblio]

Paul or anyone today can hold an evangelistic meeting on any day of the week.

I suppose he could, but the only one he would reach would be the night watchman and a few mice. I think it makes a bit more sense for him to go when there were actually people present.

 

[bluemarkus]

just a thought.....

back in the days there was more "speak lord, thy servant listens"

i feel like today it´s more "listen, lord, thy servant speaks"

greetings



MB

 

[Cliff2]

I suppose he could, but the only one he would reach would be the night watchman and a few mice. I think it makes a bit more sense for him to go when there were actually people present.

The Gentiles came to Paul where and when he preached and it was always on the Sabbath.

 

[deu58]

Hi Cliff,

The Gentiles came to Paul where and when he preached and it was always on the Sabbath.

So Paul only preached to the Gentiles on the Sabbath?????

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[deu58]

Hi Cliff

Jesus did away with the legalism in the keeping of the Sabbath. That does not mean we can keep it anyway we like. Follow what is said in Ex. 20:8-11.

If we are free from the legalism of keeping the Sabbath then why doe you say we need to go to the Law to see how to keep the Sabbath???????

Yours in Christ
Deu 58

 

[Cliff2]

Hi Cliff


If we are free from the legalism of keeping the Sabbath then why doe you say we need to go to the Law to see how to keep the Sabbath???????

Yours in Christ
Deu 58

Well mate, it is good to have you back online. We are free from the legalism of keeping the Sabbath. We could ask the same thing about stealing, murder or any other commandment.

If you do not want to go to the law then do not go to the law. But how will you know what should be done and should not be done?

Where else has it been stated and so ewasy to find?

Send me a PM and let me know how you have been going.