Gods Sabbath Day (2)

[JustinWindsor]

...after explaining of Christ's triumph at the cross, says;

"Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or new moon or a Sabbath Day-- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ." Col 2:16,17

Hebrews chapters 4, 8, and 9 teach clearly that the Seventh Day Sabbath rest in the Law of Moses was a shadow and type of the rest from the requirement of works that Children of God would receive in the New Covenant in Christ's blood. Jesus has become the guarantee of a better Covenant (Hebrews ch. 7).

Hebrews 8:13 "When He said, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear."

Hebrews 10:1 "For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifice they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near."

Hebrews 13:20 "Now the God of peace, who brought up form the death the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant, even Jesus our Lord."

“But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off [Gentiles] have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups [Jew and Gentile] into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by having put to death the enmity.” Eph 2:13 -16.


There is nothing ambiguous in what Paul is stating here in Ephesians.

In Galatians 2:21 Paul states "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly." This statement means exactly what it says when taken in the clear context of the surrounding passage.


In Galatians chapter 3 Paul clearly teaches that the purpose of the Law is to lead us to Christ. It will always stand for that purpose, that we may be justified by faith. Now that we have faith, we are no longer under the Law. We are descendants of Abraham, in that we share in the promise to be justified by faith.


In 2 Corinthians chapter 3 Paul calls the Law, the old covenant, the ministry of condemnation, and he refers directly to the tablets of stone, which were the ten commandments. Paul explains that the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.


“But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.” 2 Cor 3:15-17.

Taken in context with the preceding verses Paul is clearly saying, when you turn to the Lord, by the ministry of the Holy Spirit, you are free from the Law of Moses which is the ministry of condemnation.

 

[pablosrun]

...after explaining of Christ's triumph at the cross, says;

"Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or new moon or a Sabbath Day-- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ." Col 2:16,17

Hebrews chapters 4, 8, and 9 teach clearly that the Seventh Day Sabbath rest in the Law of Moses was a shadow and type of the rest from the requirement of works that Children of God would receive in the New Covenant in Christ's blood. Jesus has become the guarantee of a better Covenant (Hebrews ch. 7).

Hebrews 8:13 "When He said, 'A new covenant,' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear."

Hebrews 10:1 "For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifice they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near."

Hebrews 13:20 "Now the God of peace, who brought up form the death the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant, even Jesus our Lord."

“But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off [Gentiles] have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups [Jew and Gentile] into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by having put to death the enmity.” Eph 2:13 -16.


There is nothing ambiguous in what Paul is stating here in Ephesians.

In Galatians 2:21 Paul states "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly." This statement means exactly what it says when taken in the clear context of the surrounding passage.


In Galatians chapter 3 Paul clearly teaches that the purpose of the Law is to lead us to Christ. It will always stand for that purpose, that we may be justified by faith. Now that we have faith, we are no longer under the Law. We are descendants of Abraham, in that we share in the promise to be justified by faith.


In 2 Corinthians chapter 3 Paul calls the Law, the old covenant, the ministry of condemnation, and he refers directly to the tablets of stone, which were the ten commandments. Paul explains that the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.


“But to this day whenever Moses if read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.” 2 Cor 3:15-17.

Taken in context with the preceding verses Paul is clearly saying, when you turn to the Lord, by the ministry of the Holy Spirit, you are free from the Law of Moses which is the ministry of condemnation.

First of all Col 2 says sabbath days plural talking about the feast days which pointed to Jesus not the 7th day sabbath

And Heb 4 says that there remains a seventh day rest unto the people you should read it in the King james version where the verse is in it's correct translation take a look....
Heb. 4:8
8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

This says Jesus never spoke of anather day so therefore there remains a rest unto the people a 7th day rest ...

other versions state that he did speak of another day but they are incorrect...

 

[JustinWindsor]

Col 2 says sabbath days plural, because it was referring to ALL of the Sabbaths in the Old Covenant Law.

Hebrews 4 -- Pretty much all of the other translations differ from the KJV on a few points. That's because the KJV had shortcomings. For example, in verse 8, every other translation I've looked at translates the name as Joshua, including the New King James Version. The reason for the correction in the NKJV is because the correction needed to be made. That application is also consistent with what the entire text is saying.

We should keep in mind that the main thrust of the letter to the Hebrews is to teach them of the New Covenant in Christ's blood in contrast to the Old Covenant with the Israelite Nation given through Moses and Joshua.

"For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. [a Sabbath rest in Christ] For the one who has entered His rest [God's rest extended to His adopted children through Jesus Christ] has himself also rested from his works [the believer has rest from the works of the Law], as God did from His." Heb 4:8-10 NASB

The purpose of all the Sabbath instructions of the Law, was the same purpose of the entire Law, and that is to point people to Christ. The Old Covenant Law is the ministry of condemnation, the New Covenant in Christ's blood is the ministry of salvation.

If you choose to accept KJV over NASB as a more literal and correct version for doctrinal study then I'll leave you to it.

 

[cliff3]

First of all Col 2 says sabbath days plural talking about the feast days which pointed to Jesus not the 7th day sabbath

And Heb 4 says that there remains a seventh day rest unto the people you should read it in the King james version where the verse is in it's correct translation take a look....
Heb. 4:8
8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

This says Jesus never spoke of anather day so therefore there remains a rest unto the people a 7th day rest ...

other versions state that he did speak of another day but they are incorrect...

Do not be fooled. The Bible never speaks of another Sabbath. It has always been the 7th day.

As stated above, the Sabbath has always been there and will always be there.

 

[cliff3]

God's Sabbath day is still the 7th day.

God has never changed it and never will.

So far no one has come up with a verse to say it has been changed.

I would not like to be following a day that is wrong and can not be shown to be in the Bible.

 

[JustinWindsor]

The entire Mosaic Law, including all the 'different' Sabbaths foreshadowed, that is symbolized and pointed to, the New Covenant in Christ.

"Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." Col 2:16,17
- - - - - - - -

The Sabbath(s) rest (made for man) of the Old Covenant - symbolized, foretold of the rest from the works of the law, which would be accomplished in Christ;

"Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to come short of it. For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.

For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "As I swore in My wrath, they shall not enter My rest," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works"; and again in this passage, "They shall not enter My rest."

Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, He again fixes a certain day, "Today," saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, "Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts."

For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His." Hebrews 4:1-10
- - - - - - - -

We only have to read the account of Moses receiving the Old Covenant to understand that the Ten Commandments symbolize the Mosaic Law. Look how Paul (previously a Pharisee of the Pharisees) understands the ministry of these tablets of stone in the context of the New Covenant.

"Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some, letters of commendation to you or from you? You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory." 2 Cor 3 1-9


The Ten Commandments summarized and represented the Law of Moses, the Old Covenant. Including the dietary laws, the temple sacrifices, civil rule, and the Sabbaths. Any attempt to drag it forward as a standard or a rule is futile and in error. It stands today as our condemnation. Never, never, ever is there a command for a Gentile to follow the Old Covenant Law. In fact, Jews are told expressly not to, now that the New Covenant in Christ's blood has arrived. The Old Covenant stands today as a ministry of condemnation. New Covenant believers are heir to the promise to Abraham, that we are declared righteous by faith.

There is nothing ambiguous about the difference between the Covenants of God and the place of them both today. If you depend on Sabbath-keeping or any other Old Covenant rule or practice to gain salvation, you are condemned. If you are trusting solely in Christ's shed blood alone for your atonement, you are saved. Trust in Christ alone.

 

[cliff3]

The entire Mosaic Law, including all the 'different' Sabbaths foreshadowed, that is symbolized and pointed to, the New Covenant in Christ.

"Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." Col 2:16,17
- - - - - - - -

The Sabbath(s) rest (made for man) of the Old Covenant - symbolized, foretold of the rest from the works of the law, which would be accomplished in Christ;

"Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to come short of it. For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.

For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "As I swore in My wrather, they shall not enter My rest," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works"; and again in this passage, "They shall not enter My rest."

Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, He again fixes a certain day, "Today," saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, "Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts."

For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His." Hebrews 4:1-10
- - - - - - - -

We only have to read the account of Moses receiving the Old Covenant to understand that the Ten Commandments symbolize the Mosaic Law. Look how Paul (previously a Pharisee of the Pharisees) understands the ministry of these tablets of stone in the context of the New Covenant.

"Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some, letters of commendation to you or from you? You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory." 2 Cor 3 1-9


The Ten Commandments summarized and represented the Law of Moses, the Old Covenant. Including the dietary laws, the temple sacrifices, civil rule, and the Sabbaths. Any attempt to drag it forward as a standard or a rule is futile and in error. It stands today as our condemnation. Never, never, ever is there a command for a Gentile to follow the Old Covenant Law. In fact, Jews are told expressly not to, now that the New Covenant in Christ's blood has arrived. The Old Covenant stands today as a ministry of condemnation. New Covenant believers are heir to the promise to Abraham, that we are declared righteous by faith.

There is nothing ambiguous about the difference between the Covenants of God and the place of them both today. If you depend on Sabbath-keeping or any other Old Covenant rule or practice to gain salvation, you are condemned. If you are trusting solely in Christ's shed blood alone for your atonement, you are saved. Trust in Christ alone.

I can agree with the last statement you have made.

"If you depend on Sabbath-keeping or any other Old Covenant rule or practice to gain salvation, you are condemned. If you are trusting solely in Christ's shed blood alone for your atonement, you are saved. Trust in Christ alone."

Sabbath keeping in and of itself will save no one. At this stage no one has received the "mark of the beast".

But when we knowingly break God's law then God will be the judge and not me.

All I can do is to point out what God's Word says and leave it to those who read. Some will reject what is God's Word and follow tradition. While just a few will accept.

If I recall correctly it says in the Psalms (86:7) that when God makes up His register, he weill remember that this one was born there.

That is telling me that there will be many honest and earnest souls will be in the kingdom that have never kept the Sabbath. They will then asl about the holes in His hands.

When we know we should keep the Sabbath then we should.

 

[JustinWindsor]

with you there...

"All I can do is to point out what God's Word says and leave it to those who read. Some will reject what is God's Word and follow tradition. While just a few will accept."

May God Bless you.

 

[Cliff2]

with you there...

"All I can do is to point out what God's Word says and leave it to those who read. Some will reject what is God's Word and follow tradition. While just a few will accept."

May God Bless you.

God's Word says to keep the 7th day Sabbath, it does not say in any verse to keep the 1st day of the week as the Sabbath.

No one can show me a verse that says the 1st day of the week is the Sabbath. Jesus did not change it, Paul or any of the other Apostles did not change it.

So why should I worship on the 1st day of the week?

 

[JustinWindsor]

God's commandment to Israel was to keep the Sabbath. There is no Sabbath command for Christians. There is a new covenant, the old covenant is abolished as a standard or rule. On that we don't agree.

We do, however, agree that there is no command to keep a Holy day on Sunday. That is entirely Church tradition which arose out of the apparent example of the New Testament Church.

 

[Cliff2]

God's commandment to Israel was to keep the Sabbath. There is no Sabbath command for Christians. There is a new covenant, the old covenant is abolished as a standard or rule. On that we don't agree.

We do, however, agree that there is no command to keep a Holy day on Sunday. That is entirely Church tradition which arose out of the apparent example of the New Testament Church.

I can agree with your last statement about the fact there is no command to keep Sunday in the New Testament.

Doesn't that seem strange to you that having no comand to keep Sunday that many still keep it when the command does not exist?

What was the Old Covenant?

It was about the Jews trying to earn salvation. The new covenant was there from the time when God told Adam and Eve that a Saviour would come (Gen. 3:16)

If the Sabbath had been changed, then He had forgot to tell the disciples about it. At His death the disciples stopped the annointing process and came back to do it on the first day of the week.

Luke 23:55-24:1
55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment. 1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.

This is recorded for us by a Gentile.

 

[JustinWindsor]

2 Cor 3

Paul makes some contrasts between the New Covenant and the Law of Moses. These contrasts clearly verbalize what Paul says also in Romans and Galatians about the place of the Mosaic Law. He says God has 'made us as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.' (vs. 6)

Then, to elaborate...to explain more fully what he has just stated,
"But if the ministry of death (The Mosaic Law is the context) in letters engraved on stones (most certainly clearly understood as the Ten Commandments) came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?" 7,8

The accounts of the giving of the Law show the Ten Commandments being clearly given at the time as an integral part of the Mosaic Law. We have only to read the accounts to see this. Paul calls them here, the ministry of death.

This, giving us our context and continuing in the context of the Law, and the Ten Commandments, we now can understand the passage that follows. Paul continues...

"For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory. Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech, and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were hardened' for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit" 11-18

In the context of this entire chapter, we are freed from the ministry of death, the Tablets of Stone, the Mosaic Law. Just as is clearly stated in Hebrews chapter 4:4-14, Christ is my Sabbath rest. In Christ, I am freed from the work of the Law. Neither does it play a part in my sanctification;

"You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" Galatians 3:1-3

Who has tricked you? Did you receive Jesus by keeping the Law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish as to believe that what has begun by the work of the Spirit is now being perfected by the works of the Law?

That's the context here. Paul's message is unmistakable. The rest of this chapter makes it abundantly clear that the Mosaic Law, or any part of it will not mediate your salvation, you are sons of God through faith in Christ's work at the cross.

So...Paul has said the Mosaic Law and it's Ten Commandments on tablets of stone will not save you, nor will it sanctify you. It is rather, the ministry of death. It stands to the condemnation of all who will not believe that Christ's work at the cross saves, not works of the Law.

May God Bless you.

 

[Cliff2]

So...Paul has said the Mosaic Law and it's Ten Commandments on tablets of stone will not save you, nor will it sanctify you. It is rather, the ministry of death. It stands to the condemnation of all who will not believe that Christ's work at the cross saves, not works of the Law.

I do not disagree with this at all. I have never said that by keeping God's law we will earn our way to heaven.

Not even by keeping the 7th day will we earn our way to heaven.

It is only by the grace of God that will save us.

"For by grace have ye been saved through faith..." (Eph 2:8,9)

Happy Sabbath to everyone.

 

[Cliff2]

In the context of this entire chapter, we are freed from the ministry of death, the Tablets of Stone, the Mosaic Law. Just as is clearly stated in Hebrews chapter 4:4-14, Christ is my Sabbath rest. In Christ, I am freed from the work of the Law. Neither does it play a part in my sanctification;

The tables of stone that had the ten commandments written on them and the Mosaic law are two different laws.

God wrote one and Moses wrote the other. The ten commandments will last forever. The law of Moses was given to him by God but not wrote with the finger of God. They were done away with at the cross. There is no longer a sacrificial system, it was finished at the cross.

 

[JustinWindsor]

I understand what you are saying about the Ten Commandments being separate from the Mosaic Law and I appreciate your patience with me. However, I disagree. They are integral with the Mosaic Law and they are directed at God's Covenant nation Israel.

Moses recounts the reception of the Commandments to Israel (From Deuteronomy chapter 5)...

"Then Moses summoned all Israel and said to them: "Hear, O Israel, the statues and the ordinances which I am speaking today in your hearing, that you may learn them and observe them carefully. The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all of those of us alive here today. The LORD spoke to you face to face at the mountain in the midst of the fire, while I was standing between the LORD and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the LORD; for you were afraid because of the fire and did not go up the mountain. He said, 'I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me...." and Moses recounts the Ten Commandments.

Immediately after which Moses says (verse 22),
"These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly at the mountain from the midst of the fire, of the cloud of the thick gloom, with a great voice, and He added no more. He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me."

He continues to address the Israelite nation and proclaims that the LORD has spoken this to him (Moses) in verse 31,

"But as for you (Moses), stand here by Me (God), that I may speak to you all the commandments and the statutes and the judgments which you shall teach them (The Israelite Nation), that they (The Israelite nation) may observe them in the land which I give them to possess."

Likewise when the Ten Commandments on the tablets of stone were given to Moses at Mount Sinai in Exodus, chapter 20, it was given absolutely in the immediate context of the Old Covenant with the chosen nation, Israel.

The Ten Commandments therefore (as a standard or rule) are integral to the Mosaic Law, the Covenant with Israel.

Ample passages of Scripture have been shared with you in this thread, and other threads, which convey clearly exactly how the Apostles regard the place of the Old Covenant today. It stands as a ministry of condemnation, its rules and statutes having been nailed to the cross, we now have our Sabbath rest, rest from the requirements of the Written Law, in Christ.

 

[Cliff2]

We need to understand what the covenants are. The new covenant was the first covenant given, the everlasting covenant. The old covenant is only a means of expressing how the Children of Israel attempted to please God. It was by works where as the new covenant is by grace. Salavation comes to Adam the same way as it comes to me today.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith and not of yourselves..."

Suggest you have a read at the following site on the "Covenants"

http://embark.to/lance

[size=+3]"srael in Prophecy Seminar
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[size=+1]Ancient and Modern Israel
The Chosen Nation & the Covenants"[/size]

Let me know if you have trouble getting there.

 

[JustinWindsor]

if anyone has failed to understand what I've tried to present as clear and correct interpretation. In my view the Apostles are unambiguous on the matter. However, I'll point you, then, to Colossians 2:16,17;

"Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day - things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

and Romans 14:5-10 ;

"One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.


For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's.

For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God."

May God Bless you richly.

 

[Windmill]

if anyone has failed to understand what I've tried to present as clear and correct interpretation. In my view the Apostles are unambiguous on the matter. However, I'll point you, then, to Colossians 2:16,17;

"Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day - things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

and Romans 14:5-10 ;

"One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.


For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's.

For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God."

May God Bless you richly.

Romans 14:5-10 ;

"One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.


For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's.

For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God."

The jews had many cerimonial holy days, that were but a shadow thatpointed to christ. New converts to christianity did not need to observe these. But did they need to observe the one weekly sabbath presented to us in the 10 commandments? Yes, they did.

Colossians 2:16,17;

"Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day - things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

Same as above. These are cerimonial sabbaths.

 

[Windmill]

I understand what you are saying about the Ten Commandments being separate from the Mosaic Law and I appreciate your patience with me. However, I disagree. They are integral with the Mosaic Law and they are directed at God's Covenant nation Israel.

Moses recounts the reception of the Commandments to Israel (From Deuteronomy chapter 5)...

"Then Moses summoned all Israel and said to them: "Hear, O Israel, the statues and the ordinances which I am speaking today in your hearing, that you may learn them and observe them carefully. The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all of those of us alive here today. The LORD spoke to you face to face at the mountain in the midst of the fire, while I was standing between the LORD and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the LORD; for you were afraid because of the fire and did not go up the mountain. He said, 'I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me...." and Moses recounts the Ten Commandments.

Immediately after which Moses says (verse 22),
"These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly at the mountain from the midst of the fire, of the cloud of the thick gloom, with a great voice, and He added no more. He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me."

He continues to address the Israelite nation and proclaims that the LORD has spoken this to him (Moses) in verse 31,

"But as for you (Moses), stand here by Me (God), that I may speak to you all the commandments and the statutes and the judgments which you shall teach them (The Israelite Nation), that they (The Israelite nation) may observe them in the land which I give them to possess."

Likewise when the Ten Commandments on the tablets of stone were given to Moses at Mount Sinai in Exodus, chapter 20, it was given absolutely in the immediate context of the Old Covenant with the chosen nation, Israel.

The Ten Commandments therefore (as a standard or rule) are integral to the Mosaic Law, the Covenant with Israel.

Ample passages of Scripture have been shared with you in this thread, and other threads, which convey clearly exactly how the Apostles regard the place of the Old Covenant today. It stands as a ministry of condemnation, its rules and statutes having been nailed to the cross, we now have our Sabbath rest, rest from the requirements of the Written Law, in Christ.

And I shall disagree. The 10 commandments, only for the Jews? Never! They're clearly shown to be different from Moses law. Can they be nailed to the cross and leave us forever free to keep them? Not a chance. They're there forever.

"All his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever." Psalm 111:7, 8.

Did Jesus abolish them? NOPE!

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law. ... I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. ... Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:17, 18

If you don't believe in the 10 commandments, then what do you consider sin?

Evidence to show that Moses law and Gods law (10 commandments) are made to be different from each other:

And the fact is, the Sabbath could never be just a type or shadow of anything (old covenent), for the simple reason that it was made before sin entered the human family. Certain shadows and typical observances were instituted as a result of sin and pointed forward to the deliverance from sin. Such were the sacrifices employed to symbolize the death of Jesus, the Lamb of God. There would have been no animal sacrifices had there been no sin. These offerings were abolished when Christ died on the cross, because the types had met their fulfillment (Matthew 27:51). But no shadow existed before sin entered this world; therefore, the Sabbath could not be included in the ceremonial law of types and shadows.

 

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And I shall disagree. The 10 commandments, only for the Jews? Never! They're clearly shown to be different from Moses law. Can they be nailed to the cross and leave us forever free to keep them? Not a chance. They're there forever.

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