God's Commandments include the TEN Commandments in the NT

[BobRyan]

1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.

Indeed - all HAVE sinned and come short of the glory of God.

So ALSO --

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

1 John 3:
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5
5 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - ought to avoid 1 John.

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James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - ought to avoid James 2.

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You teach the commands you don't obey, I teach the commands I do obey.

Your entire argument is based on your own claim to be able to judge others in how well they keep a given commandment. (Christ speaks of that flaw in Matt 7... have you noticed?)

Rom 2
13 for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God, 18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law, 19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law. 21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law? 24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” as it is written.

(He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - - will feel the need to avoid Romans 2.)

25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Rom 3:31 "31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."



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Matt 5 HE says - 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Matt 5:192.

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Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

He who teaches bending-editing-downsizing the Commandments of God - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Mark 7.


"Love ME and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6 -- from the TEN Commandments.

No wonder NT authors affirm the TEN Commandments as part of the moral law of God for the saints

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Matt 19
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

He who teaches that the TEN Commandments have nothing to do with the Commandments of God in the NT - - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Matt 19:18.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Indeed - all HAVE sinned and come short of the glory of God.

So ALSO --

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

1 John 3:
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5
5 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - ought to avoid 1 John.

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James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - ought to avoid James 2.

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Rom 2
13 for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God, 18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law, 19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law. 21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law? 24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” as it is written.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - - will feel the need to avoid Romans 2.

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Matt 5 HE says - 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Matt 5:192.

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Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

He who teaches bending-editing-downsizing the Commandments of God - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Mark 7.


"Love ME and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6 -- from the TEN Commandments.

No wonder NT authors affirm the TEN Commandments as part of the moral law of God for the saints

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Matt 19
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

He who teaches that the TEN Commandments have nothing to do with the Commandments of God in the NT - - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Matt 19:18.

There you go yet again, ignoring the other 603 commandments of the Law. Dare I say, that you would charge anyone who affirms nine of your ten commandments but ignores one of the ten with hypocrisy?

 

[Sophrosyne]

There you go yet again, ignoring the other 603 commandments of the Law. Dare I say, that you would charge anyone who affirms nine of your ten commandments but ignores one of the ten with hypocrisy?

Yup.... I agree 9/10ths of the 10 are essentially valid for Christians (and covered by the Law of Love).

 

[tatteredsoul]

Indeed - all HAVE sinned and come short of the glory of God.

So ALSO --

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

1 John 3:
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5
5 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - ought to avoid 1 John.

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James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - ought to avoid James 2.

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Rom 2
13 for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God, 18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law, 19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law. 21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law? 24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” as it is written.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - - will feel the need to avoid Romans 2.

======================

Matt 5 HE says - 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Matt 5:192.

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Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

He who teaches bending-editing-downsizing the Commandments of God - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Mark 7.


"Love ME and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6 -- from the TEN Commandments.

No wonder NT authors affirm the TEN Commandments as part of the moral law of God for the saints

===================================

Matt 19
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

He who teaches that the TEN Commandments have nothing to do with the Commandments of God in the NT - - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Matt 19:18.

Why would any of His law no longer be in effect, or changed unless He Himself, or the Word of God/Christ changed them?

 

[BobRyan]

Yup.... I agree 9/10ths of the 10 are essentially valid for Christians (and covered by the Law of Love).

James 2 already addressed the idea of downsizing God's commandments to '9/10ths'

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[BobRyan]

There you go yet again, ignoring the other 603 commandments of the Law.

Are you trying to say that you agree that the moral law of God - that defines sin - includes the TEN Commandments?


Or are you insisting that we also include the 1050 commands of the NT as well?

Either way - the TEN --- are in.

And 1 John 3:4 "SIN IS transgression of the LAW"

Yup.... I agree 9/10ths of the 10 are essentially valid for Christians (and covered by the Law of Love).

A vote for dissecting the unit of Ten - down to 9?

What text refers to the "NINE commandments" in the actual Bible??

 

[Sophrosyne]

James 2 already addressed the idea of downsizing God's commandments to '9/10ths'

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

Nope... Jesus downsized them himself by mentioning only 9 commandments.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Nope... Jesus downsized them himself by mentioning only 9 commandments.

Jesus didn't just mention 9, He spoke often of the seventh day Sabbath and better yet, showed us through His example that the Sabbath was to be honoured.

Before someone thinks to respond with "Jesus was a Jew and kept the 4th Commandment because of that" forgets that Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath. He also didn't have any problem reproofing the Jews for their misunderstandings of the Commandments but never reproofed the seventh day Sabbath observance.

Those that use Pauls writings as evidence of what is contained in the new Covenant, forget that anything that is in that Covenant, had to be spoken of by Christ before the crucifixion. His blood sealed the Covenant and could not have been added to by Paul or anyone else at that point. If the seventh day Sabbath wasn't rescinded by Christ, then it is still part of the new Covenant. If something is proclaimed Holy by God, how does it become not Holy? Only by a thus saith the Lord...

 

[Bob S]

Jesus didn't just mention 9, He spoke often of the seventh day Sabbath and better yet, showed us through His example that the Sabbath was to be honoured.

Before someone thinks to respond with "Jesus was a Jew and kept the 4th Commandment because of that" forgets that Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath. He also didn't have any problem reproofing the Jews for their misunderstandings of the Commandments but never reproofed the seventh day Sabbath observance.

Those that use Pauls writings as evidence of what is contained in the new Covenant, forget that anything that is in that Covenant, had to be spoken of by Christ before the crucifixion. His blood sealed the Covenant and could not have been added to by Paul or anyone else at that point. If the seventh day Sabbath wasn't rescinded by Christ, then it is still part of the new Covenant. If something is proclaimed Holy by God, how does it become not Holy? Only by a thus saith the Lord...

Then Paul and John were liars and we cannot believe anything they wrote. Kinda like ol ellen.
Jn3
19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Is Jesus God? John tells us there what the truth is. Why do you think you know better than John? If there is a liar in the bunch it isn't John or Paul. That leaves ol ellen. I always was good at math.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Then Paul and John were liars and we cannot believe anything they wrote. Kinda like ol ellen.
Jn3
19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Is Jesus God? John tells us there what the truth is. Why do you think you know better than John? If there is a liar in the bunch it isn't John or Paul. That leaves ol ellen. I always was good at math.

Could be Bob that you are misunderstanding the verse given.... as well as the message Ellen White had.

You see, I read 3 John 19-24 and because I understand the 10 are summarized in the 2, there is no conflict with the statements Jesus made about the Sabbath and the other 9. You on the other hand, believe Paul and even John are the arbiters of truth and Jesus must have just forgotten to clarify this point before He sealed the Covenant with His blood.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Jesus didn't just mention 9, He spoke often of the seventh day Sabbath and better yet, showed us through His example that the Sabbath was to be honoured.

Before someone thinks to respond with "Jesus was a Jew and kept the 4th Commandment because of that" forgets that Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath. He also didn't have any problem reproofing the Jews for their misunderstandings of the Commandments but never reproofed the seventh day Sabbath observance.

Those that use Pauls writings as evidence of what is contained in the new Covenant, forget that anything that is in that Covenant, had to be spoken of by Christ before the crucifixion. His blood sealed the Covenant and could not have been added to by Paul or anyone else at that point. If the seventh day Sabbath wasn't rescinded by Christ, then it is still part of the new Covenant. If something is proclaimed Holy by God, how does it become not Holy? Only by a thus saith the Lord...

He omitted the Sabbath where he DID PURPOSELY list 9 of the 10 COMMANDMENTS, and never commands the Sabbath of anyone anywhere in the New Testament so logic pretty much blows any Sabbath commandment out of Jesus in the New Testament one must purposely bind oneself to the Old Testament Mosaic Law to INCLUDE the Sabbath commandment and binding yourself not only make you responsible to keep the 10 but hundreds of other commandments listed thereabouts.

 

[Bob S]

Could be Bob that you are misunderstanding the verse given.... as well as the message Ellen White had.

You see, I read 3 John 19-24 and because I understand the 10 are summarized in the 2, there is no conflict with the statements Jesus made about the Sabbath and the other 9. You on the other hand, believe Paul and even John are the arbiters of truth and Jesus must have just forgotten to clarify this point before He sealed the Covenant with His blood.

The fact is that you are trying to establish that the 10 commandments are about love and that just ain't so. The 10 were about duty. There is nothing in the 10 that even comes close to being about love. Love commands come from the book of the law as you yourself have pointed out. The Israelite didn't have to love anyone as a reason not to steal, bear false witness or any of the nine commands. Again, they were all about duty. You cannot summarize 1Jn 3:19-24 as being the 10 commandments. 1jn3 is Jesus new commandment to mankind.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The fact is that you are trying to establish that the 10 commandments are about love and that just ain't so. The 10 were about duty. There is nothing in the 10 that even comes close to being about love. Love commands come from the book of the law as you yourself have pointed out. The Israelite didn't have to love anyone as a reason not to steal, bear false witness or any of the nine commands. Again, they were all about duty. You cannot summarize 1Jn 3:19-24 as being the 10 commandments. 1jn3 is Jesus new commandment to mankind.

Yes I can Bob... just because the Israelites didn't grasp the intent of the covenant with them doesn't mean we can't. If God is Love then anything that is from Him is also in love... the 10 Commandments included.

 

[BobRyan]

The fact is that you are trying to establish that the 10 commandments are about love and that just ain't so.

Until you read the actual Bible - where Matt 22 "ALL the LAW and the prophets" are based on the Mosaic Laws of of love found in Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5.

 

[BobRyan]

He omitted the Sabbath where he DID PURPOSELY list 9 of the 10 COMMANDMENTS,

Wrong again - He never quotes the Ex 20:6 commandment not to take God's name in vain.

 

[BobRyan]

Then Paul and John were liars and we cannot believe anything they wrote. Kinda like ol ellen.
Jn3
19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Is Jesus God? John tells us there what the truth is. Why do you think you know better than John? If there is a liar in the bunch it isn't John or Paul. That leaves ol ellen. I always was good at math.

The constant fallacy of either-or with this or that Bible writer as "liars" is the desperate resort of a failed argument.

Give me the Bible "instead".

 

[Bob S]

Until you read the actual Bible - where Matt 22 "ALL the LAW and the prophets" are based on the Mosaic Laws of of love found in Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5.

34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Until you start reading the Bible without inserting your own interpretation we will never agree. There is nothing in those verses that would indicate that the 10 are about loving anything. Love is the most important part of being a Christian. Why is it SDAs never teach love, all they can harp on is Sabbath. Even ol ellen's "halo" was on the wrong command. Jesus verses ol ellen, I put my money on Jesus.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Wrong again - He never quotes the Ex 20:6 commandment not to take God's name in vain.

well then that doesn't help your stand if there is only 8 commandments instead of 9 or 10.

 

[BobRyan]

He omitted the Sabbath where he DID PURPOSELY list 9 of the 10 COMMANDMENTS,

Wrong again - He never quotes the Ex 20:6 commandment not to take God's name in vain.

well then that doesn't help your stand if there is only 8 commandments instead of 9 or 10.

The Sabbath commandment is quoted from multiple times in the NT in Acts, in Hebrews 4 and in Rev 14:7 - but the 3rd commandment never quoted from at all in the NT.

Which is ok because there is no such fluff-rule in the Bible as "whatever is not repeated is to be deleted".

And of course - for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

No wonder the Gospel is preached to gentiles "every Sabbath" in Acts 18:1-5

So then the point remains - your made-up-rule about deleting whatever is not often-enough-repeated does not even work for the command to not take God's name in vain. It is demonstratably flawed. It is a made-up rule that does not pass the sola-scriptura test.

 

[Sophrosyne]

The Sabbath commandment is quoted from multiple times in the NT in Acts, in Hebrews 4 and in Rev 14:7 - but the 3rd commandment never quoted from at all in the NT.

Which is ok because there is no such fluff-rule in the Bible as "whatever is not repeated is to be deleted".

And of course - for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

No wonder the Gospel is preached to gentiles "every Sabbath" in Acts 18:1-5

I'm sorry but you have yet to show proof that it is EVER commanded of ANYONE in the New Testament. Just because we have Jews keeping the Sabbath still doesn't mean non Jews should keep it OR Christians who are as Paul puts it "neither Jew or GreeK" in Christ I believe.
Quoting that Scripture that says people worship 7 days a week does nothing to help your case BTW.