God's Commandments include the TEN Commandments in the NT

[bugkiller]

Could be Bob that you are misunderstanding the verse given.... as well as the message Ellen White had.

You see, I read 3 John 19-24 and because I understand the 10 are summarized in the 2, there is no conflict with the statements Jesus made about the Sabbath and the other 9. You on the other hand, believe Paul and even John are the arbiters of truth and Jesus must have just forgotten to clarify this point before He sealed the Covenant with His blood.

So you think you can clear this up, huh?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Yes I can Bob... just because the Israelites didn't grasp the intent of the covenant with them doesn't mean we can't. If God is Love then anything that is from Him is also in love... the 10 Commandments included.

I'm not quite that delusionary.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

well then that doesn't help your stand if there is only 8 commandments instead of 9 or 10.

Excellent call!

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The Sabbath commandment is quoted from multiple times in the NT in Acts, in Hebrews 4 and in Rev 14:7 - but the 3rd commandment never quoted from at all in the NT.

Which is ok because there is no such fluff-rule in the Bible as "whatever is not repeated is to be deleted".

And of course - for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

No wonder the Gospel is preached to gentiles "every Sabbath" in Acts 18:1-5

No the Sabbath commandment isn't quoted in Heb 4. The word Sabbath appears in most if not all English versions. That however isn't even a reference to the Sabbath.

bugkiller

 

[Bob S]

Yes I can Bob... just because the Israelites didn't grasp the intent of the covenant with them doesn't mean we can't. If God is Love then anything that is from Him is also in love... the 10 Commandments included.

What would indicate that the Israelites didn't grasp the meaning of the covenant? They knew well what it meant just as you know what the intent of the New Covenant is about. They rebelled, listened to false nations just as you listen to a false prophet. They were led astray. God told them to smite the nations making war against them. They didn't listen and instead married into those peoples thus the beginning of being led down the wrong path. We have warned you that ellen has indeed led you and all Adventism down a wrong path. Even when we quote her writings all you do is go on the attack of us.

I challenge you to find a verse in the Bible that indicates that the 10 Commandments were about love. God challenged them with the big IF if you love me you will keep my commandments, but he never said the 10 were about love. Your church has taught that to you, but the church didn't get that from the Holy Writ. I am sure ellen taught that, but she was a proven false prophet.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

What would indicate that the Israelites didn't grasp the meaning of the covenant? They knew well what it meant just as you know what the intent of the New Covenant is about. They rebelled, listened to false nations just as you listen to a false prophet. They were led astray. God told them to smite the nations making war against them. They didn't listen and instead married into those peoples thus the beginning of being led down the wrong path. We have warned you that ellen has indeed led you and all Adventism down a wrong path. Even when we quote her writings all you do is go on the attack of us.

I challenge you to find a verse in the Bible that indicates that the 10 Commandments were about love. God challenged them with the big IF if you love me you will keep my commandments, but he never said the 10 were about love. Your church has taught that to you, but the church didn't get that from the Holy Writ. I am sure ellen taught that, but she was a proven false prophet.

How very sad for you Bob that you harbour such hate in your heart... it's no wonder you can't see God's Love throughout the scriptures.

 

[BobRyan]

He omitted the Sabbath where he DID PURPOSELY list 9 of the 10 COMMANDMENTS,

Wrong again - He never quotes the Ex 20:6 commandment not to take God's name in vain.

well then that doesn't help your stand if there is only 8 commandments instead of 9 or 10.

The Sabbath commandment is quoted from multiple times in the NT in Acts, in Hebrews 4 and in Rev 14:7 - but the 3rd commandment never quoted from at all in the NT.

Which is ok because there is no such fluff-rule in the Bible as "whatever is not repeated is to be deleted".

And of course - for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

No wonder the Gospel is preached to gentiles "every Sabbath" in Acts 18:1-5

So then the point remains - your made-up-rule about deleting whatever is not often-enough-repeated does not even work for the command to not take God's name in vain. It is demonstratably flawed. It is a made-up rule that does not pass the sola-scriptura test.

I'm sorry but you have yet to show proof

I just did. I showed your argument is based on a flawed premise.

And I show the 4th commandment quoted in the NT.

And I have shown that for "all eternity after the cross" -- all mankind keeps the Sabbath -- in the New Earth when All mankind are saints.

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

" that it is EVER commanded of ANYONE " after the cross --

for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

"there REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" Heb 4

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

of which the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

 

[BobRyan]

ellen has indeed led you and all Adventism down a wrong path. Even when we quote her writings all you do is go on the attack of us.

I challenge you to find a verse in the Bible that indicates that the 10 Commandments were about love.

Was D.L. Moody "Ellen White"??

Was C.H. Spurgeon "Ellen White"??

IS the "Baptist Confession of Faith" -- "Ellen White"??

Is the "Westminster Confession of Faith" -- "Ellen White"??

Is R.C. Sproul --- "Ellen White"??

All of them admit to the same point as Christ in Matt 22 which is that not only are the TEN Commandments of God - based entirely on LOVE - but so also are "ALL the LAW and the Prophets" as Christ said.

How much of the world do you simply "re-imagine" as being "Ellen White"??????

 

[Sophrosyne]

Wrong again - He never quotes the Ex 20:6 commandment not to take God's name in vain.

It is an unneeded commandment for Christians as they are commanded to love and insulting God isn't love.

The Sabbath commandment is quoted from multiple times in the NT in Acts, in Hebrews 4 and in Rev 14:7 - but the 3rd commandment never quoted from at all in the NT.

It is quoted but not in the context of commanding it, using that logic a lot of thing are mentioned in the New Testament but aren't commanded either are we bound to do ALL of them too? I could make up a long long list of things that people did some of which are sinful too I guess by your logic if sins are listed in the New Testament as someone doing them we must also sin just like they did. There was mention of people trying to circumcise others why aren't you doing that it is listed in Acts also.

Which is ok because there is no such fluff-rule in the Bible as "whatever is not repeated is to be deleted".

So why aren't you keeping all 613 or so commands from the OT then? YOU delete those at your own whim while keeping what you choose. It sounds like your church is plenty into fluff-rules.

And of course - for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

It is idiotic to repost this, of course mankind will one day worship God 24/7/365 one could equate from Monday to Monday and be just as accurate as this scripture is and the word Sabbath is only meant to appeal to Jews who their thinking was ONLY worshiping on the Sabbath Day to show them worship on OTHER days.

No wonder the Gospel is preached to gentiles "every Sabbath" in Acts 18:1-5

Big deal... if I were trying to get the most people to hear me I would choose a busy day and Gentiles interested in God at that time had little choice but to go to the Jews because until Paul and his group got a lot more organized there wasn't many people preaching the Gospel at all with the authority he had (and knowledge).

So then the point remains - your made-up-rule about deleting whatever is not often-enough-repeated does not even work for the command to not take God's name in vain. It is demonstratably flawed. It is a made-up rule that does not pass the sola-scriptura test.

So when are you going to start obeying ALL of the commandments of God in the OT... they aren't repeated in the NT... JUST LIKE THE SABBATH is NOT repeated.... get with it. You've set the standard here for yourself... but not me.

I just did. I showed your argument is based on a flawed premise.

And I show the 4th commandment quoted in the NT.

And I have shown that for "all eternity after the cross" -- all mankind keeps the Sabbath -- in the New Earth when All mankind are saints.

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

" that it is EVER commanded of ANYONE " after the cross --

for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

"there REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" Heb 4

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

of which the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

I probably won't reply to your reply as I've grown mostly tired of your inane repetition here, adding excessive garbage to posts so as to bore folks into submission of your faulty theology like a badly written supermarket tabloid where the truth is buried so deep that one is best off reading a dictionary than dealing with Ellenites.

 

[bugkiller]

It is an unneeded commandment for Christians as they are commanded to love and insulting God isn't love.
It is quoted but not in the context of commanding it, using that logic a lot of thing are mentioned in the New Testament but aren't commanded either are we bound to do ALL of them too? I could make up a long long list of things that people did some of which are sinful too I guess by your logic if sins are listed in the New Testament as someone doing them we must also sin just like they did. There was mention of people trying to circumcise others why aren't you doing that it is listed in Acts also.
So why aren't you keeping all 613 or so commands from the OT then? YOU delete those at your own whim while keeping what you choose. It sounds like your church is plenty into fluff-rules.
It is idiotic to repost this, of course mankind will one day worship God 24/7/365 one could equate from Monday to Monday and be just as accurate as this scripture is and the word Sabbath is only meant to appeal to Jews who their thinking was ONLY worshiping on the Sabbath Day to show them worship on OTHER days.
Big deal... if I were trying to get the most people to hear me I would choose a busy day and Gentiles interested in God at that time had little choice but to go to the Jews because until Paul and his group got a lot more organized there wasn't many people preaching the Gospel at all with the authority he had (and knowledge).
So when are you going to start obeying ALL of the commandments of God in the OT... they aren't repeated in the NT... JUST LIKE THE SABBATH is NOT repeated.... get with it. You've set the standard here for yourself... but not me.



I probably won't reply to your reply as I've grown mostly tired of your inane repetition here, adding excessive garbage to posts so as to bore folks into submission of your faulty theology like a badly written supermarket tabloid where the truth is buried so deep that one is best off reading a dictionary than dealing with Ellenites.

At least reading the dictionary has some value and merit.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

He omitted the Sabbath where he DID PURPOSELY list 9 of the 10 COMMANDMENTS,

Wrong again - He never quotes the Ex 20:6 commandment not to take God's name in vain.

well then that doesn't help your stand if there is only 8 commandments instead of 9 or 10.

The Sabbath commandment is quoted from multiple times in the NT in Acts, in Hebrews 4 and in Rev 14:7 - but the 3rd commandment never quoted from at all in the NT.

Which is ok because there is no such fluff-rule in the Bible as "whatever is not repeated is to be deleted".

And of course - for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

No wonder the Gospel is preached to gentiles "every Sabbath" in Acts 18:1-5

So then the point remains - your made-up-rule about deleting whatever is not often-enough-repeated does not even work for the command to not take God's name in vain. It is demonstratably flawed. It is a made-up rule that does not pass the sola-scriptura test.

I'm sorry but you have yet to show proof

I just did. I showed your argument is based on a flawed premise.

And I show the 4th commandment quoted in the NT.

And I have shown that for "all eternity after the cross" -- all mankind keeps the Sabbath -- in the New Earth when All mankind are saints.

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

" that it is EVER commanded of ANYONE " after the cross --

for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

"there REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" Heb 4

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

of which the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

It is an unneeded commandment for Christians as they are commanded to love and insulting God isn't love.

God says that rebellion against His commandments is not loving God -- read 1 John 5:1-3

Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

It is quoted but not in the context of commanding it,

Exodus 20:7 is never quoted in the NT nor do we find "remember to keep the 3rd commandment"

Heb 4 "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God". Another chapter where the 4th commandment is quoted.

Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" and the only commandment quoted in that chapter is the 4th commandment in vs 7.

The point remains.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Bob S]

How very sad for you Bob that you harbour such hate in your heart... it's no wonder you can't see God's Love throughout the scriptures.

Yep, just as I expected you to do, go on the attack towards me. Do you have a license to analyze me?

There is nothing sad about hating sin. The sins ol ellen committed are unparalleled in Biblical history except for maybe Joe Smith and a few others that came along during that era like Taz Russell. ellen's writings have been the ruination of countless lives and the glue that keeps otherwise good people brainwashed so that the real truth cannot crack the bond. How sad indeed. Yes, i hate what she did and will continue to expose her whenever I get a chance. Your value of me only fortifies me to continue to help others see the real truth. Thank you very much.

P. S. How would you know what I see in scripture. Why would you even attempt to tell me and others that I cannot see love in scripture. I would never attempt to analyze you or anyone else. That is God's job.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Yep, just as I expected you to do, go on the attack towards me. Do you have a license to analyze me?

There is nothing sad about hating sin. The sins ol ellen committed are unparalleled in Biblical history except for maybe Joe Smith and a few others that came along during that era like Taz Russell. ellen's writings have been the ruination of countless lives and the glue that keeps otherwise good people brainwashed so that the real truth cannot crack the bond. How sad indeed. Yes, i hate what she did and will continue to expose her whenever I get a chance. Your value of me only fortifies me to continue to help others see the real truth. Thank you very much.

P. S. How would you know what I see in scripture. Why would you even attempt to tell me and others that I cannot see love in scripture. I would never attempt to analyze you or anyone else. That is God's job.

I just comment on what you present Bob... by your fruits, as they say.

 

[bugkiller]

Wrong again - He never quotes the Ex 20:6 commandment not to take God's name in vain.



The Sabbath commandment is quoted from multiple times in the NT in Acts, in Hebrews 4 and in Rev 14:7 - but the 3rd commandment never quoted from at all in the NT.

Show us by posting a quote that we may believe. It appears to me either I have a different Bible than you or it doesn't appear. The later is most likely why you didn't provide a quote.

Which is ok because there is no such fluff-rule in the Bible as "whatever is not repeated is to be deleted".

Then the reality is you don't have proof of your claim.

And of course - for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

Sorry but that isn't Heb 4 or Rev 14. Please try again.

No wonder the Gospel is preached to gentiles "every Sabbath" in Acts 18:1-5

But surely you must read Christians where the word "gentiles" appears. Those two words aren't synonymous.

So then the point remains - your made-up-rule about deleting whatever is not often-enough-repeated does not even work for the command to not take God's name in vain. It is demonstratably flawed. It is a made-up rule that does not pass the sola-scriptura test.



I just did. I showed your argument is based on a flawed premise.

And I show the 4th commandment quoted in the NT.

Where?

And I have shown that for "all eternity after the cross" -- all mankind keeps the Sabbath -- in the New Earth when All mankind are saints.

Where? Not in any of the following passages you at least partially quote.

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

" that it is EVER commanded of ANYONE " after the cross --

for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

This isn't in the NT Bob.

"there REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" Heb 4

Which isn't the 7th day rest.

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

Which are... According to I JN 3:23 it isn't the 10 Cs.

of which the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

This verse has nothing to do with the 4th.

God says that rebellion against His commandments is not loving God -- read 1 John 5:1-3

If one reads the writings of John they easily understand John isn't referring to the 10 Cs with the word commandments.

Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

OK I'll quote I JN 3:23 which clearly shows the commandments of God for the believer aren't found in the law -

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Exodus 20:7 is never quoted in the NT nor do we find "remember to keep the 3rd commandment"

So...

Heb 4 "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God". Another chapter where the 4th commandment is quoted.

Finding a word is a long ways fro a quote. The Greek word translated Sabbath rest isn't the word for or meaning the Sabbath.

Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" and the only commandment quoted in that chapter is the 4th commandment in vs 7.

I showed conclusive proof by quote you and John are talking about different sets of commandments. BTW its faith of Jesus mistranslated "in" from your version.

The point remains.

Nope!!!! it doesn't even by your repeated posting it.

bugkiller

 

[Bob S]

I just comment on what you present Bob... by your fruits, as they say.

No my friend, you commented on me and you know you did. Again, you have no idea what my fruits are. Just because you do not like what I write about belief systems you attack me personally. Why not try to defend what you believe instead.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

No my friend, you commented on me and you know you did. Again, you have no idea what my fruits are. Just because you do not like what I write about belief systems you attack me personally. Why not try to defend what you believe instead.

Am I your friend Bob? Why couch your response in such a disingenuous manner?

Btw, I don't need to defend anything I believe to you or anyone else on here.... God knows what's what and I'll gladly stand or fall on His judgement.

 

[Bob S]

Am I your friend Bob? Why couch your response in such a disingenuous manner?

Btw, I don't need to defend anything I believe to you or anyone else on here.... God knows what's what and I'll gladly stand or fall on His judgement.

I harbor no ill will towards anyone. If you choose not to be my friend that is your problem to resolve. I would like to believe we are friends. Just because we adamantly disagree and you insist on telling me things that I am not, doesn't discourage me one bit. We all have hangups and are this side of being perfect. One thing for sure I am not posting on this site to blow sweet accolades in Old covenant law "keepers" ears such as telling you how wonderful the SDA belief system is.

I am trying to give you another view, one that I discovered when the blinders were taken off my eyes. So far you have not defended your position and have not even slightly moved me from the simple gospel of the new covenant.

I don't give up easy, so I will continue to try and help you see the true gospel.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I harbor no ill will towards anyone. If you choose not to be my friend that is your problem to resolve. I would like to believe we are friends. Just because we adamantly disagree and you insist on telling me things that I am not, doesn't discourage me one bit. We all have hangups and are this side of being perfect. One thing for sure I am not posting on this site to blow sweet accolades in Old covenant law "keepers" ears such as telling you how wonderful the SDA belief system is.

I am trying to give you another view, one that I discovered when the blinders were taken off my eyes. So far you have not defended your position and have not even slightly moved me from the simple gospel of the new covenant.

I don't give up easy, so I will continue to try and help you see the true gospel.

I think it is best to try and show those who are uncertain about what they believe the truth and leave these hard core adventists to God himself to deal with either in this life or the next one. I've blasted SDA theology often and I'm not ever going to be "friends" with someone whose identity is totally wrapped up in a false belief system to the point of being "in my face" telling me I'm wrong over and over they are no friends of mine. This doesn't mean that they aren't believers in Christ (on some level) perhaps we will all be friends in heaven but Jesus himself told us to shun people that want to lead us astray to the point of abandoning friends and family for Christ.
I'm glad you are here as I'm a lot less interested in debating Sabbath/Law type topics than I used to be perhaps because a few individuals have made trying to keep up with it all a mess flooding the forum and threads with excessive amounts of extraneous information instead of getting to the point. It is like trying to find an apple in an apple orchard when someone is flooding the orchard with oranges to the sky you have to shove mountains of them out of the way to see the apple trees just to find an apple.
If I were interested in adventism I would be dissuaded by the way they act here ineptly defending their stance. I'm less interested in making orange juice out of their arguments to show then there are apples around if you don't bury them purposely.

 

[klutedavid]

Rom 2
13 for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;

Hello Bob.

Your quotation from the letter to the Romans is simply misguided. You cannot quote from chapter
two of the letter to the Romans, and not consider the context of the later chapters. Paul explains
'justification' much more deeply in the chapters following chapter two. I highly recommend that
you read chapters three, four, and five very carefully. Some how you have missed the instruction
of Paul in this letter.

 

[BobRyan]

Rom 2
13 for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God, 18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law, 19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law. 21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law? 24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” as it is written.

(He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - - will feel the need to avoid Romans 2.)

25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Rom 3:31 "31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

Hello Bob.

Your quotation from the letter to the Romans is simply misguided. You cannot quote from chapter
two of the letter to the Romans, and not consider the context of the later chapters.

I think Rom 3:31 fits well with Romans 2.

So also Romans 6. As we see in the Romans 6 thread -
Mar 21, 2016 #1

A short summary --

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
..

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.

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And then of course we had Romans 8 in that same Romans 6 thread -- and read this --

Rom 8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.