“The greatest sorrow and burden you can lay on the Father, the greatest unkindness you can do to him is not to believe that he loves you.” - John OwenWhat has Athens to do with Jerusalem?
Christ died once for all.
“The greatest sorrow and burden you can lay on the Father, the greatest unkindness you can do to him is not to believe that he loves you.” - John Owen
Ironic, given your quote at the bottom of your post, if you indeed believe God hates sinners.
You act as if it’s owed.Because that verse doesn't mean what you think it means. What Paul is getting at is that God can offer salvation to everyone if he wants, not just to Israel. You all have it exactly backwards.
1 Peter 3:19 is referring to spirits (fallen angels) in prison (Tararus, the lowest part of Hades), that Jesus pronounced judgment upon. Jesus did not preach to those lost souls in Hades waiting for Judgment - What would be the point - Did He change His mind and give them a second chance? No!For those that died in the Flood, we know with certainty there was a new chance given (after mortal death): 1 Peter 3:19-20. Some even think this is only an example group, to illustrate that all never having heard the gospel may get to hear it in that situation, as a spirit in prison, and respond (or not) individually. Also for even more context, consider how Christ spoke of it being easier for some cities like Sodom in the Day of Judgement than for villages/cities that rejected Him in person during His teaching time. (Matthew 10:15).
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
— John 3:16
The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes;
You hate all who do iniquity. You destroy those who speak falsehood;
The Lord abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.
— Psalm 5:5-6
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
— John 3:16
The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes;
You hate all who do iniquity. You destroy those who speak falsehood;
The Lord abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.
— Psalm 5:5-6
So wait we’re saying God doesn’t love everyone? I would be interested in the scripture that explains that scripture actually meant mankind and not individual people. ThanksJohn 3:16 refers to mankind in general, not every individual person, as the context is a conversation between Jesus and a Jewish teacher about salvation.
If God loved every human being ever born, then all would have been saved by the blood of Jesus.
Does scripture explain that when “all” is used it is being used in a general sense? If you can post that scripture as well I’d appreciate so I can check it out. Thanks.The term "love" in Scripture isn't a warm, fuzzy, emotional feeling God has for people. It is an action. If God loves all people the same, then all people would enjoy the same acts of his benevolence - including salvation. God's love for Israel were all the peculiar blessings and promises he made only to them that no other nation could have enjoyed.
The problem with Christ dying for every person is that you still have people going to hell. That's double jeopardy. When Scripture says "all" it means it in a general way.
Can you post scripture that God is talking about mankind and not everyone? ThanksCalvinism is a failed doctrine, but no, God does not love everyone. He potentially makes his love available to everyone, but as it plays out, not all receive it. For God so loved the world is saying God loves mankind. I have an apple tree in my yard. I love apples. It is my will that all the apples are perfect. It doesn't happen. Many apples there I have no interest or affection for at all. They are of no regard to me. Yet if you ask me if I love apples I will say yes and I will be telling the truth.
You really believe God is this way?God created some people only to send them to Hell.
This is the natural flow of scripture and logic...if you believe that God is omniscient.
Definition of omniscient
1 : having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight
an omniscient author
the narrator seems an omniscient person who tells us about the characters and their relations
— Ira Konigsberg
2 : possessed of universal or complete knowledge
the omniscient God
Yours in the Lord,
jm
If God loved every human being ever born, then all would have been saved by the blood of Jesus.
You think it’s owed. You think it would make God unjust to save one and not the other.No, but God's love is much more vast than you suppose.
Huh?God is also Mercy, but we still see that people are punished in Hell. Just because he is love doesn't mean he loves all.
You forgot about those He abhors.“For God so loved [those that do not do iniquity], that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
it seems to have lost it's lustre.
That doesn’t explain the scripture.Did Jesus love his enemies?
A Lutheran friend put it quite nicely. "God loves and hates everyone. He hates us for the sinful nature, but loves us because of the cross of Jesus."
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