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Featured God loves everyone?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Hammster, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. Jonaitis

    Jonaitis Soli Deo Gloria

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    Its irresistible because you see nothing better than what God gives. If your heart longs for it, you will pursue it.

    As long as you remain unregenerate, you are "forced" to live a rebellious sinful life in hostility against God and his laws. Isn't that how you lived before you were saved? Enslaved to sin. God made you free in Christ from living that life.
     
  2. Hammster

    Hammster Private Status. Do Not Read. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Are you sure about that?
     
  3. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things" Supporter

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    9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.


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    10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

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    2 Peter 3 NIV
     
  4. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Why deny His Word ? Why continually fight against His Word ?
     
  5. Blade

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    Don't have to believe this.. no reason to lie.. when I was 15 I asked Him how can you seed all these people to hell? LOL if EVER question I asked got an answer this fast.. but NOPE! Anyway He said "For God so loved the world. Everyone gets a choice".

    Point is.. I was a sinner before I was saved.. as every other out there. Did He not love me? Well how many times do we here "we didn't deserve it"? Yet He died for the world. And that great white throne judgement coming.. is all about love

    Was not going to post.. seems like your trying to make this or take this into something its not. D you love your enemy? They HATE you.
     
  6. Darren Brown

    Darren Brown New Member

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    Agreed

     
  7. grandvizier1006

    grandvizier1006 Still a human by God's grace Supporter

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    It's not really a doctrine, but I think it's generally a good rule to follow. The flat-earth movement has come back due to them interpreting a verse in Job (I think it's Job) to imply that a flat earth is factual when it's simply a poetic metaphor. I've known people who justified spanking their children due to "spare the rod and spoil the child", a single verse in Proverbs. People justify having as many children as their bodies will allow them to because of a single short Psalm. The poetry in the Bible contains much wisdom and examples of praise to God, or captures voices of anguish in prayer to Him. But it's not to be quote-mined to justify a specific belief held by certain groups of Christians.
     
  8. JM

    JM Predestinarian Supporter

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    God loves only the elect in Christ. There is no such thing as common love or grace, by definition God's love is particular and His grace uncommon.

    Yours in the Lord,

    jm
     
  9. Dave G.

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    I haven't looked that specific verse up but in the original languages ( hebrew, greek)of that word hate in the context of God doing it, hate generally isn't the most accurate translation to English. More accurate might be in this case ( might, as I said I haven't looked it up specifically) "God will not fellowship with" or " will love less". That is the case with God hating Esau back in the book of Genesis. Ya English translations can be a little coarse sometimes, it's always good to check in a concordance against the original if it sounds a little off..

    God loves everyone, He hates their sin. Remember He wishes that not one should perish. Jesus also stated that some people would hate others but that isn't God hating.

    Good question though, worth a study !
     
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  10. Ken Rank

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    Hate here can mean opposed to. It is a word that means hate (and is almost always translated that way) but also foe, enemy, etc.

    The idea of hate is also used in various places in Scripture to mean "love less." Jacob didn't hate Leah, God didn't hate Essau, they were loved less than another. So in that sense it is idiomatic.

    I am not saying either one of these is correct... I am just throwing them out as possibilities.
     
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  11. JM

    JM Predestinarian Supporter

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    God created some people only to send them to Hell.

    This is the natural flow of scripture and logic...if you believe that God is omniscient.

    Definition of omniscient
    1 : having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight
    an omniscient author
    the narrator seems an omniscient person who tells us about the characters and their relations
    — Ira Konigsberg
    2 : possessed of universal or complete knowledge
    the omniscient God

    Yours in the Lord,

    jm
     
  12. Hammster

    Hammster Private Status. Do Not Read. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    There might be some context to look into.

    You destroy those who speak falsehood;
    The Lord abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.
    — Psalm 5:6
     
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  13. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things" Supporter

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    Which context are you thinking of? Here's the 2nd Peter 3 context, and it begins in such an interesting way, as scoffing against Christ and Christianity is vastly more common today than when I was young (verses 3 and 4 below are precisely what I've seen thousands of times now (many thousands I guess) and especially in the last 5-8 years a sharp increase):

    3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

    8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

    10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

    11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives ...
     
  14. His student

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    I'm not sure why you purposefully went off on an anti-Calvinist angle so quickly. :scratch:
    Since you're bent on bashing Calvinism - you really should get what they teach right.

    Every natural man has the ability to free reject the gift according to Calvinism.

    The point made in their teaching point called "total depravity" is that natural men can't accept it unless they somehow become "unnatural" by the grace of God.

    Although the grace extended is indeed irresistible in that it is done supernaturally in secret - the actual impulse to accept the gift itself is indeed resistible to a certain degree. After all - Paul kicked against the goads for some time before finally believing on Christ.
    This is an excellent point IMO. This is one reason among many that I don't accept "limited atonement" as usually presented by Calvinists.

    We are called to love even our enemies. Certainly we would expect no less from the one who calls us to do that.

    If God did not show love for His enemies than His command to us as His children rings a bit unfair or at least disingenuous.

    God does hate His enemies according to the scriptures. But He also showed His love for them as He died for their sins.
     
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  15. Hammster

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    And what do you think the point is?
     
  16. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Yet not all of His enemies - Scripture, God's Word, is very accurate, correct, and specific.
    No. Not accurate enough.
     
  17. Ronald

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    Did He love the world He destroyed in the flood, probably tens of millions? Because love is not destructive, love doesn't fail, it doesn't end life. He loved Noah and His family - all the rest, He hated. He loved Jacob and hated Esau.
    As in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man. He judged the world with a flood the first time, the next time will be with fire and so those who reject Jesus will be destroyed.
    Now the rain falls on the wicked. HE gave them life, keeps their heart beating and for a time heals their wounds. To be fair, they experienced His love for a time. The Bible says, man is without excuse (Rom. 1). And so man is given opportunities to repent. God draws all men to Himself, but some rebel and resist - otherwise they would have an excuse. They could claim, "You never drew me, never enabled me, never loved me ... why should I believe, you never loved me? That would be an excuse. But He says, we are without an excuse.
    Everything good comes from God. If one can think of a person that never experienced anything good, well than I guess God never loved them.
     
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  18. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things" Supporter

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    Myself? My mere opinion is that verse 11 is the key message of what we should do, and verse 10's first sentence the key helpful warning, amplified by the explanation of verse 9 and verse 8. And that the signs listed in verses 3-4 seem more likely active now, in my opinion. Open scoffing has increased a lot lately. I see this from having paid attention a lot to the discourse of America. Yes, there is a lately countering still respect, but the scoffers are becoming more commonplace.
     
  19. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things" Supporter

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    For those that died in the Flood, we know with certainty there was a new chance given (after mortal death): 1 Peter 3:19-20. Some even think this is only an example group, to illustrate that all never having heard the gospel may get to hear it in that situation, as a spirit in prison, and respond (or not) individually. Also for even more context, consider how Christ spoke of it being easier for some cities like Sodom in the Day of Judgement than for villages/cities that rejected Him in person during His teaching time. (Matthew 10:15).
     
  20. PaulCyp1

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    Your post clearly demonstrates the great difference between God as perceived by Old Testament Jews, and God as revealed by Jesus Christ.
     
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