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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Hammster, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Same Creator.

    Perfectly Correct.
     
  2. His student

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    If it's so accurate, correct, and specific surely you can show us where.
    If you're looking to engage me in meaningful dialog you'll have to knock off the quick quips and veiled points.

    Please do.
     
  3. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    No.
    Not likely. Not even possible.
    There's other explanations of that that does not contradict any Scripture.
     
  4. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    How many times is it written that Yahuweh loved His enemies, OT or NT ? Even those who sought to crucify Yahushua Hamashiach !?
     
  5. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Most of the members/ posters/ who have ideas , doctrines, dogmas, or teachings opposed to Christ Jesus
    do not want to engage in truth seeking dialog.

    Those who are seeking the truth, and keep seeking the truth, find the truth. This is Yahuweh's Promise (not my quip )....
     
  6. renniks

    renniks Active Member

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    You are avoiding the obvious. In your system, God is just ripping out your heart and implanting a new
    one. It's as if I could implant a chip in my wife's brain that programmed her to have loving feelings for me. Not as if she made a choice to love me. If God implants the "love me" card in your heart, then you express love for him, but it's really just compliance. You didn't choose to love him.
     
  7. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things" Supporter

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    I'll stay with the clear-enough direct wording --

    18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. ...
    1 Peter 3 NIV

    Now, one can indeed read commentaries on this of course, and compare those to all of scripture....
     
  8. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    "free in Christ" to some means , to them, their free will is tossed out (their chip in their heart or brain is replaced with a chip that cannot choose any more who to follow... it just does what it is programmed to do....

    Since God does not take away the free will of a person saved in Christ,

    either the person does endure to the end, of their free will / choice,
    or he does not endure to the end, somewhere along the way
    he chooses to follow another voice .... thus losing the free gift of eternal life ....
     
  9. renniks

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    I'm not, I'm showing that Jesus upped the ante so to speak, by showing us more of himself than David or any of the OT Saints could see. Jesus said, Matthew 5:43
    43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    Did David understand the attributes of God as well as Jesus did?
     
  10. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    ...


    BE PERFECT. No other option for Ekklesia (disciples).

    Does this change Yahuweh's Word where it states when / who to hate ? (no)
     
  11. Jonaitis

    Jonaitis Soli Deo Gloria

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    "I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules."

    - Ezekiel 36:25-27

    I suppose your contention is with God, not me.
     
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  12. His student

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    I don't know. How many? And where?
    I don't fit that category. But I do want to engage in dialog - if you are willing to talk straight.
    Of course.

    They just don't have to seek that truth by suffering for long the silliness of someone who finds it telling of their spirituality to speak pigeon Hebrew and veil their points.

    One last chance with me or you can go on to trying to impress others with your mastery of supposed Hebrew words and customs.
     
  13. renniks

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    Resistible to a certain degree, but destined to happen or not happen? Nope, this is not where Calvinism leads. It leads the determinism, where every thought and action is really pre decided for you. Perhaps you have just not gone deep enough into the endless pit that it is. And the reason I went there, is because it was obviously where the other poster was going.
     
  14. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Resources » Dictionary of Bible Themes » 8000 The life of the believer » 8200 The character of the believer » 8292 love » 8301 love, and enemies
    8301 love, and enemies
    8301 love, and enemies
    God loves even those who oppose him and believers must follow his example in loving their enemies.

    God’s love for sinners
    Isa 53:6; Jn 3:16; 2Pe 3:9 See also Ge 18:32; La 3:33; Eze 18:23; Mt 5:45; Ro 5:8; Ro 8:32; 2Co 5:19; 1Jn 4:9-10

    The example of Jesus Christ
    Mt 23:37 pp Lk 13:34 1Pe 3:18 See also Isa 53:5; Mt 20:28 pp Mk 10:45; Lk 23:34; Ro 5:6; 2Co 5:14; 2Co 8:9; Heb 13:12; 1Pe 2:21,24; 1Jn 2:2

    God’s people must love their enemies
    Lev 19:18; Lk 6:35-36 See also Ex 23:4; Pr 24:17; Pr 25:21; Mt 5:44; Lk 6:27; Col 3:13; 1Th 5:15; 2Ti 2:25; 1Pe 3:9

    Examples of love for enemies
    Ge 50:20-21 Joseph; Nu 12:13; 1Sa 24:17; 1Sa 26:21; 2Sa 19:23; 2Ki 6:22 the king of Israel; Ac 7:60 Stephen; Ac 9:17 Ananias; 1Co 4:12
     
  15. renniks

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    Yes, he will, but not unless one humbles himself and receives the new heart. This passage is actually about Israel. Does every Jew receive salvation? In fact, Paul has to keep reiterating that God had not failed just because most of Israel did not come to faith, but that God was faithful even if most of his people were not.
     
  16. Jonaitis

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    Well, that doesn't make sense.

    "None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one”
    - Romans 3:11, 12.

    "For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God." - Romans 8:6-8

    "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

    This passage refers to after the exile, which does refer to the Church, the true Israel.
     
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  17. fhansen

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    God hates evil/injustice-He didn't create it and will not allow it to persist forever. But it's also said that evil grieves God's heart; because He made man good. But we can corrupt that; we can embrace evil and become less than we were created to be, something to be cast away-or not. That's both the beauty and the danger of free will.
     
  18. His student

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    Everything that happens in the history of the creation was predestined to happen.
    You are wrong. The predestination of every thought and action taken by men in no way negates the free choices of men.
    Indeed I have.

    Calvinism (as displayed in the Westminster Confession of Faith) makes it a point to affirm that God's predestination of every event in no way does violence to the will of men. Any charge against Calvinism to the contrary is nothing but a straw man.

    I don't know how much more clear it could be than this.

    "God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established."

    You may well say what other anti-Calvinism types have said - that that is contradictory and makes no sense. While I have no problem explaining how it can be to anyone willing to listen - my final word to those who won't is to take it up with God - I'm just the messenger.
     
  19. Michael Collum

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    I guess it depends on what is meant by hate since 1 John says a murderer has no eternal life in him, and hating is the same as murdering apparently.

    The God that hates does not have eternal life, but the God who is love, does.

    so I guess I'll trust in the one that does.
     
  20. Hammster

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    A lot of folks zeroed in on “hate” and tried to say that it didn’t really mean what it says. But almost everyone ignored “abhor” in the next verse.
     
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