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Featured God loves everyone?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Hammster, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. Hammster

    Hammster Private Status. Do Not Read. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
    John 3:16

    The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes;
    You hate all who do iniquity. You destroy those who speak falsehood;
    The Lord abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.
    — Psalm 5:5-6
     
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  2. Jonaitis

    Jonaitis Soli Deo Gloria

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    John 3:16 refers to mankind in general, not every individual person, as the context is a conversation between Jesus and a Jewish teacher about salvation.

    If God loved every human being ever born, then all would have been saved by the blood of Jesus.
     
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  3. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    And besides, in His Own Word, He Clearly Describes WHO HE HATES.
     
  4. Sabertooth

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    @Hammster , that is the rub. Before the Fall, His Love and Justice were not in conflict with each other. I am convinced that He even still loves those who opt for Judgment!

    King David wrote,
    "If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
    If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there." Psalm 139:8 NKJV
     
  5. renniks

    renniks Active Member

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    And there is is Calvinist rub. The rest of us believe Christ did die for all and so, all are loved by God.
     
  6. Jonaitis

    Jonaitis Soli Deo Gloria

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    The term "love" in Scripture isn't a warm, fuzzy, emotional feeling God has for people. It is an action. If God loves all people the same, then all people would enjoy the same acts of his benevolence - including salvation. God's love for Israel were all the peculiar blessings and promises he made only to them that no other nation could have enjoyed.

    The problem with Christ dying for every person is that you still have people going to hell. That's double jeopardy. When Scripture says "all" it means it in a general way.
     
  7. renniks

    renniks Active Member

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    Is a gift really a gift if you cannot freely reject it?
     
  8. Jonaitis

    Jonaitis Soli Deo Gloria

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    Is a gift really a gift if God doesn't change your heart to receive it?
     
  9. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    If people are lovable, they share in God's glory. But if he set his love on those he justly hates, paying for their sins only because he is love, then he receives full glory. And in so doing he repairs the elect making them subjectively lovable to his glory.
     
  10. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Except those in God's Word, whom God Says Himself He hates.
     
  11. 1213

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    It depends on what “love” means. I don’t think in Bible love is the opposite of hate. Love means basically that one cares without conditions. God cares of all, I think that can be seen from all the good He has given. I think love can also be seen from that God is just, righteous, faithful and doesn’t do anything evil.

    If love is caring, then hate is also related to love, because one doesn’t hate, if he doesn’t care. It is probably not possible to hate, if one doesn’t care.
     
  12. bling

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    First off: We are at the same time to Love and hate our families, so hate is not the opposite of Love and you can hate and Love the person at the same time.

    Luke 23:34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

    The “them” Christ is asking God to forgive seems to be those shedding innocent blood, whom God also abhors, so since unconditional forgiveness requires Love, could God forgive them?

    To Love unconditionally means you Love the person in spite of what they have done, are doing and will do, so is God’s Love conditional on something?

    We know God Loved some pretty wicked people, so how would it be just for God to not love other similar wicked people?

    Even a person hell bound is: in the image of God, made by God and Loved by God.
     
  13. Darren Brown

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    Here is an interesting verse on this topic and some explainations by commentaries. As it is written and forever remains written, “d]'>[d]Jacob I loved (chose, protected, blessed), but e]'>[e]Esau I hated (held in disregard compared to Jacob).” Romans 9:13 amplified
    Esau I have hated (v. 13):

    This does not mean God did not love Esau. Rather, God foresaw the wickedness Esau would choose and hated it. Likewise, God foresaw Jacob's faith and obedience and knew Jacob would serve His purposes.


    Orthodox Study Bible

    Copyright © 2008 by St. Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology.

    Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated. Quoted from Mal. 1:2, 3. Actual emotional hatred for Esau and his offspring is not the point here. Malachi, who wrote this declaration more than 1,500 years after their death, was looking back at these two men—and by extension the nations (Israel and Edom) that came from their loins. God chose one for divine blessing and protection, and the other He left to divine judgment.


    NKJV MacArthur Study Bible

    Loved . . . hated (Gen. 25:23; Mal. 1:2, 3) are not matters of emotion; they are matters of the Father’s will. In the papyri (ancient secular writings dating to biblical times), the expressions “loved” and “hated” are used of a man who could afford to adopt only one of two twin orphaned boys. He was said to have “loved” the one he adopted and “hated” the one he did not adopt. Here all that is signified is that Jacob was blessed and Esau was not.


    King James Study Bible Notes


    hated: Actually God made provision for Esau (see Gen. 27:39; 36; Deut. 23:7). Hated is an idiom where the opposite is used to express a lesser degree. For example, Gen. 29:30 says Jacob loved Rachel more than Leah, but the next verse (literally translated) says that Leah was hated. What Paul is saying is that Esau was not the object of God’s electing purpose.


    NKJV Study Bible

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  14. bling

    bling Regular Member Supporter

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    Salvations is available to all mature adults, but most people like to be macho, are willing to pay the piper, will hang in there taking the punishment they fully deserve, want to hold on to what little pride they have even if it is a false pride and/or just not willing to pester God further with their requests. The wimps, those who quit and those who surrender to their enemy while he is still their enemy are showered with gifts.
     
  15. section9+1

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    Calvinism is a failed doctrine, but no, God does not love everyone. He potentially makes his love available to everyone, but as it plays out, not all receive it. For God so loved the world is saying God loves mankind. I have an apple tree in my yard. I love apples. It is my will that all the apples are perfect. It doesn't happen. Many apples there I have no interest or affection for at all. They are of no regard to me. Yet if you ask me if I love apples I will say yes and I will be telling the truth.
     
  16. renniks

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    Do you think the ones God "hates" are beyond his love and therefore nonredeemable?
    Romans 5:8
    But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

    God loves us even while we are still rejecting him, but he hates our sin.

    Matthew 5:43-48

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? ..
    Do you believe God expects us to be more loving than he is?
     
  17. grandvizier1006

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    First off, any verse from the poetic books of the Bible is usually not necessarily meant to be taken as fact. As other people have said, the Hebrew word we translate as "hate" does not necessarily mean "I don't love". It's more like "I don't care for/I prefer another over this one". Hence why Jesus says to hate your family in comparison to Him. The Psalm you quoted sounds a lot like the "love the sinner, hate the sin" concept that many Christians adhere to (or at least try to). While these two verses look like a contradiction, I think it can be resolved with the understanding that God loves humanity in a corporate sense, but still hates--regards with displeasure--our sinful actions.
     
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  18. renniks

    renniks Active Member

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    If God has to push the "receive" button and force my heart to respond to him, that is not a gift at all, it's just a programmer inputting data.
     
  19. Jonaitis

    Jonaitis Soli Deo Gloria

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    That's not what regeneration means. It means that God removes the heart of stone that is set on rebellion and sin, and gives you a heart of flesh that desires obedience and righteousness. You aren't forced to do anything, you are renewed to want what you should want. That's a gift of God.
     
  20. renniks

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    I'm not seeing the difference, if it's irresistible, it's exactly what I stated.
     
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