Why explain something so obvious. If I give my explanation then it is my words and not God's but of course you are very used to such.
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God knows the end from the beginning....or does He?
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Why explain something so obvious. If I give my explanation then it is my words and not God's but of course you are very used to such.
Matthew 7:15
A Tree and Its Fruit
15 Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Matthew 24:11
11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.
Matthew 24:24
24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
I have no fear of false prophets because I listen to The Only One whereby I ascertain TRUTH.
How do you check false prophets?
A Tree and Its Fruit
15 Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Matthew 24:11
11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.
Matthew 24:24
24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
I have no fear of false prophets because I listen to The Only One whereby I ascertain TRUTH.
How do you check false prophets?
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We test anyone who proclaims to have light from God's throne by the same methods you just listed as well as your previous post of Deut 18. If you ever have the courage to read Ellen White you will quickly realize that she does not turn people from Gods Word but constantly drives people to it and to the righteousness of Christ. Would a false prophet do that?
I challenge you to read through the daily devotionals that I have posted... most people that demonize Ellen White do so out of ignorance of what she actually wrote and have never even read a paragraph to base their positions on. At least, if you are going to make veiled reference to her being a false prophet, have a foundation to stand on and not just speak out of fear.
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ECR what I have read leaves me in a state of confusion. When I have read I realize that I read for many pages without scripture mentioned. I do not experience confusion when I read The Word of God. I look at Steps to Christ especially pages 15-18. Here is a statement I do not agree with and cannot find anywhere in the Bible:
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The price paid for our redemption, the infinite sacrifice of our heavenly Father in giving His Son to
die for us, should give us exalted conceptions of what we may become through Christ."And then it goes on to say
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"Behold, what manner of
love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God." 1 John 3:1. What a
value this places upon man! Through transgression the sons of man become subjects of Satan. Through
faith in the atoning sacrifice of Christ the sons of Adam may become the sons of God." love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God." 1 John 3:1. What a
value this places upon man! Through transgression the sons of man become subjects of Satan. Through
By assuming
human nature, Christ elevates humanity. Fallen men are placed where, through connection with Christ,
they may indeed become worthy of the name "sons of God."human nature, Christ elevates humanity. Fallen men are placed where, through connection with Christ,
But that is not how we become Sons of God. It all sounds really good, especially to those who are frieghtend and do not know what the Bible says or have not experienced His Spirit, but it is not really what the Bible says. It implies that we can become like God and if that is the case then we will be against scripture:
2 Thessalonians 2:2-4
2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from uswhether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letterasserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Dont let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in Gods temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
There is only one who is without sin and that is not we who live on this earth.
Romans 4:13
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Romans 4:14
For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified;
Galatians 3:29
And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abrahams descendants, heirs according to promise.
Galatians 4:6-8
6 Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, Abba, Father. 7 So you are no longer a slave, but Gods child; and since you are his child, God has made you also an heir.
Now if I am an Heir then I am forever a child of God. I did not make myself an Heir. He gave me that heritage when I accepted Him as my Lord and Savior Father God.
When I am told to read something other than the Bible as I am from many SDA's it is a red flag for deception.
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For anyone who knows the most high, and loves him, you can say we have a choice all you like, but when it comes to consciously deciding whether to please or displease our maker, we do not see a choice, it's like choosing between life and death, like choosing between a delicious meal and a disgusting thing, that is really not a option for us, i wonder if Mrs. White knows anything about that!
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There is no spin here, not at all....
...It's ONLY what the Scriptures say.
Stryder said:
He didn't have free choice NOT be God...
...And "if" He sinned He wouldn't have been God in the 1st place.
...According to the Scriptures.
Stryder said:
The Trinity Doctrine prevents Jesus from hypothetically NOT being God...
...Because "God" is the ONE Substance or Nature which is co-equally owned by Father, Son & Holy Spirit.
...Therefore to say Jesus could have chosen to do evil and self terminate.
...Would be to say The Father or Holy Spirit "COULD" sin & self terminate.
...I'm telling you Scripture does not allow such a teaching whatsoever.
Stryder said:
I'm not telling you that you can't believe Ellen White was inspired by God Stryder.....
...I'm just telling you that the Bible says Jesus is God.
...& the Bible says Jesus ( God ) can't deny Himself, ( sin ).
Stryder said:
Of course, this is simply an additional proof or affirmation that Christ....
...Was Eternally God the Son - He eternally did the will of the Father.
...He ( the Son did this eternally prior to His Incarnation ).
...& He, the Son, continued to Eternally do the will of the Father susequent.
...To His "Taking on" or adding human nature to His Divine Nature.
Stryder said:
He was in that sense - He "always" did the will of the Father....
...Not His will but that of the Father.
...This is Trinity 101.
Ya know Stryder - I'm starting to really like you.
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What parts don't agree in the two statements above? Sister White says that through Christ we are become the sons of God... the scripture you provided above says the same thing, that through the Spirit of Christ we are a child of God's... where is the discrepancy??
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well even satan disguises himself as an angel of light...
besides I guess it has been made abundantly clear that egw can drive people into division... on many issues, like meat, wine and what have you...I am not sure if division brings us closer...
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Interesting. Christ said that He came not to bring peace but a sword. To turn family members against each other.
Seems rather divisive to me.
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There's always a choice, even in the examples you've given. The obvious choice is clear, but it's still a choice.
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Pythons, I do believe our issue here stems from to vastly different understandings of the Trinity. I never intended my responses to state that Christ at any point would stop being God. I do believe in trying to understand how He could be God and Human simultaneously, many a confusing statement is made.
Scripture tells us what happened, and the word of God is sure and true. If we believe Christ was 100% human like you and I, minus the being born with the nature of sin, then He had the choice. If He didn't, than neither do we.
Edit: And for the record, I have no qualms with you either. I actually look forward to the day when you'll be on the inside
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I am a little confused here brother... are you saying that Jesus was born as a human but without the carnal nature?
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Jesus was born sinless but not out of the realm of choosing to disobey. Christ was like Adam, created without sin, but given the liberty to choose who He would obey.
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Pythons, I do believe our issue here stems from to vastly different understandings of the Trinity. I never intended my responses to state that Christ at any point would stop being God. I do believe in trying to understand how He could be God and Human simultaneously, many a confusing statement is made.
Scripture tells us what happened, and the word of God is sure and true. If we believe Christ was 100% human like you and I, minus the being born with the nature of sin, then He had the choice. If He didn't, than neither do we.
Edit: And for the record, I have no qualms with you either. I actually look forward to the day when you'll be on the inside
The Trinity is the single most important Doctrine in the Christian Faith...
...On it everthing rests.
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Like I said, our understanding it completely different. I was told from a catholic that God is one "substance" that the Trinity shares. I don't see it like that. That puts the image in my mind of a God "hub" that three entities spawned from and are all connected to.
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Scripture says we are born in sin, shaped in iniquity. All you have to do is look at how selfish a 1 year old is to see that's true
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That's what I said - the Three Members of the Holy Trinity co-equally share in the One Substance or Nature that is God...
...How would you articulate it?
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Not like that. God the Father, Son, and Spirit are separate Entities, but all equally God. One in purpose. One in thought. One in...well everything. But not joined to a single "substance" from which they came forth.
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