God knows the end from the beginning....or does He?

[JohnMarsten]

Got me. In both cases though, the line of David is associated with Joseph, not Mary.

thats true. and I cant really say anything about it, however, I once read that only men were mentioned in bloodlines in those ancient times... whatever...

 

[Stryder06]

thats true. and I cant really say anything about it, however, I once read that only men were mentioned in bloodlines in those ancient times... whatever...

I remember hearing something similar. Either way, if we go off of the genealogy presented, Joseph is the one who's ancestry is traced, not Mary's

 

[JohnMarsten]

I remember hearing something similar. Either way, if we go off of the genealogy presented, Joseph is the one who's ancestry is traced, not Mary's

so we simply have to assume Mary was in the bloodline of King David... right?

 

[Stryder06]

so we simply have to assume Mary was in the bloodline of King David... right?

I'm not to certain about that. But again, I hold more to the surrogate mother view a bit more than most probably. I see Jesus being of the tribe of Judah, thanks to His Joseph. I'm not to certain if marrying cousins during Jesus' time was acceptable. And at most, that's what Jesus and Mary would have to be if they were from the same tribe right?

 

[JohnMarsten]

I'm not to certain about that. But again, I hold more to the surrogate mother view a bit more than most probably. I see Jesus being of the tribe of Judah, thanks to His Joseph. I'm not to certain if marrying cousins during Jesus' time was acceptable. And at most, that's what Jesus and Mary would have to be if they were from the same tribe right?

what do you mean by marrying cousins? I think I got lost here...

 

[Stryder06]

what do you mean by marrying cousins? I think I got lost here...

Sorry. I could totally be off here, but I figured that if Mary and Joseph were from the same tribe they would be like cousins right? I mean I could be way off base here, and if so please correct me

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Sorry. I could totally be off here, but I figured that if Mary and Joseph were from the same tribe they would be like cousins right? I mean I could be way off base here, and if so please correct me

If they were both from the same tribe, there would have been enough seperation by the time of Christ to not be an issue... think 4th, 7th, 10th or more distant cousins.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I think we can agree that we have no idea the mechanisn used to impregrate Mary, other than it being the Holy Spirit. To me, in order for Jesus to be fully man, He would have had to have inherited all the genes from Mary. Otherwise, if He did not inherit those human qualities, it negates His being our brother and being tempted as we are tempted

 

[Cribstyl]

I thought Joseph was the seed of David.

First thing we should is to prove the scripture rather than negate scripture with questions.

The scripture said "born of the seed of David". What are you going to believe?
As you should know, the blood line of Mary and Joseph are both from David.

 

[Stryder06]

First thing we should is to prove the scripture rather than negate scripture with questions.

The scripture said "born of the seed of David". What are you going to believe?
As you should know, the blood line of Mary and Joseph are both from David.

Where does scripture say Mary is the seed of David.

 

[Stryder06]

If they were both from the same tribe, there would have been enough seperation by the time of Christ to not be an issue... think 4th, 7th, 10th or more distant cousins.

Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[Stryder06]

I think we can agree that we have no idea the mechanisn used to impregrate Mary, other than it being the Holy Spirit. To me, in order for Jesus to be fully man, He would have had to have inherited all the genes from Mary. Otherwise, if He did not inherit those human qualities, it negates His being our brother and being tempted as we are tempted

See my only question about Jesus taking genes from Mary is that I'm not sure how sin has affected us genetically. Like, has sin affected our genetic makeup or is it just a mental disposition that we are prone to?

In other words, I think Mary had sinful genes and thus couldn't pass those on to Christ.

 

[JohnMarsten]

See my only question about Jesus taking genes from Mary is that I'm not sure how sin has affected us genetically. Like, has sin affected our genetic makeup or is it just a mental disposition that we are prone to?

In other words, I think Mary had sinful genes and thus couldn't pass those on to Christ.

I must say that I think the same, even though like said, its probably not a salavational issue, and I think its quite OK if there are different opinions on that topic...

 

[Cribstyl]

Where does scripture say Mary is the seed of David.

Ok,I stand corrected; I meant "made of a woman". What could that possible mean?
What does Gen 3:15 also mean?Gen 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

See my only question about Jesus taking genes from Mary is that I'm not sure how sin has affected us genetically. Like, has sin affected our genetic makeup or is it just a mental disposition that we are prone to?

In other words, I think Mary had sinful genes and thus couldn't pass those on to Christ.

Be careful you don't fall into the Catholic 'original sin' doctrine. We are not born with sin but into a sinful world with the predispostion to sin. Therefore, all have sinned and come short, because of our carnal nature. We have all fallen off the wagon, so to speak.

 

[Kira Light]

Be careful you don't fall into the Catholic 'original sin' doctrine. We are not born with sin but into a sinful world with the predispostion to sin. Therefore, all have sinned and come short, because of our carnal nature. We have all fallen off the wagon, so to speak.

I swear I learned about original sin when I was doing my SDA baptismal studies. Jesuit infiltration?

 

[Stryder06]

Be careful you don't fall into the Catholic 'original sin' doctrine. We are not born with sin but into a sinful world with the predispostion to sin. Therefore, all have sinned and come short, because of our carnal nature. We have all fallen off the wagon, so to speak.

I was actually thinking about that last night. Not that I'm going in that direction, but it did hit me. I'm just wondering what it is that causes us to naturally have that disposition if it's not genetic.

Guess it doesn't really matter. It's not an issue that salvation depends upon. What matters is that Christ was sinless and that's good enough for me.

 

[Stryder06]

I must say that I think the same, even though like said, its probably not a salavational issue, and I think its quite OK if there are different opinions on that topic...

Agreed.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The danger in the orignal sin theory is that we can not attain perfection of character through Christs righteousness... it lends itself to the saved in sin philosophy rather than saved from sin.

 

[Stryder06]

The danger in the orignal sin theory is that we can not attain perfection of character through Christs righteousness... it lends itself to the saved in sin philosophy rather than saved from sin.

Indeed, which is why I stand strongly against that teaching.