God creates, He just doesn't know *what* He creates

[PsychoSarah]

I guess I wouldn't want beliefs forced on me either, but I'd support the idea of making them known. An example of this is when some people wanted the idea of creation to be taught alongside evolution. It would offer students the option of both sides.

You would have to teach every creation story of every surviving religion.

 

[Aldebaran]

You would have to teach every creation story of every surviving religion.

Or maybe just the one of the most prevalent version of that society. I would imagine that would be the reason for it to be taught.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Or maybe just the one of the most prevalent version of that society. I would imagine that would be the reason for it to be taught.

Not going to fly in secular institutions, this isn't a theocracy, majority religion cannot get favoritism like that.

 

[Gottservant]

That is a bold statement. Can you justify how you know what God can or cannot do?

I dont see the correlation. Lets say some future scientist creates (bio-engineers) a new species of insect. Doesn't mean we can relate to this insect at all. Why do we have to relate to the thing being created?

I know what God can and cannot do, because I have the Holy Spirit (and the Holy Spirit has the Mind of God).

The fact that when you create something you lose the ability to relate to it is just a consequence of the fact that whether you have created it spiritually or physically, you have desired to make it free.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I know what God can and cannot do, because I have the Holy Spirit (and the Holy Spirit has the Mind of God).

The fact that when you create something you lose the ability to relate to it is just a consequence of the fact that whether you have created it spiritually or physically, you have desired to make it free.

Is this not the sin of pride, much like my poem even?

 

[Gottservant]

You presume me to know God instead of God, I did not say that, that is your idea.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You presume me to know God instead of God, I did not say that, that is your idea.

And I claim to be alive instead of alive; if you are trying to imply something, it isn't working through text

 

[Gottservant]

And I claim to be alive instead of alive; if you are trying to imply something, it isn't working through text

Which text?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Which text?

-_- the text in the post I quoted before this post

 

[Gottservant]

-_- the text in the post I quoted before this post

then why didn't you say so?

I can't help you if you want me to express for you, what only you can express

 

[Aldebaran]

-_- the text in the post I quoted before this post

You presume to know the text rather than the text written by him after it was written.

 

[PsychoSarah]

then why didn't you say so?

I can't help you if you want me to express for you, what only you can express

I cannot think thoughts I don't have

 

[Aldebaran]

I cannot think thoughts I don't have

But the thoughts that you think are thoughts not thought before they were thought.

Don't worry, I have no idea what I'm saying either.

 

[Gottservant]

But the thoughts that you think are thoughts not thought before they were thought.

Don't worry, I have no idea what I'm saying either.

Actually, what you said made sense.

Now think about it.

 

[Aldebaran]

Actually, what you said made sense.

Now think about it.

I'm afraid to. It's making my head hurt.

 

[Gottservant]

I'm afraid to. It's making my head hurt.

You're trying to think about what it means.

When I write things like that, I either listen to the whole thing and try to understand, or I pick out one part and consider what it means.

Really, it made sense.

 

[Aldebaran]

You're trying to think about what it means.

When I write things like that, I either listen to the whole thing and try to understand, or I pick out one part and consider what it means.

Really, it made sense.

Yet, I wasn't even trying to make sense. I was just sort of poking fun at how you write. Not disrespectfully, of course.

 

[Blessedj01]

Trying to shape laws based on a religion would be forcing the ideals of that religion upon other people.

Who's doing that? Oh, wait...you're dragging us into a gay marriage debate aren't you? Or some abortion debate? Please don't do that. We've all had enough. Seriously, is that the only thing you can come up with as to your claims that religon is being forced on you? You had to reach out long and hard to find that and make some connection to you, personally. Then you came to CF to complain about it? This stuff never ceases to amaze me with how petty it becomes.

Also most of our basic laws are based on religion already.

 

[Blessedj01]

there is a difference between spiritual revelation and theology. one is the reality and the other is the image. I don't debate. Jesus did not debate. what we do is speak that which God gives to us. this is a spiritual state as opposed to a religious theological indoctrination. if you can't see how God can be both things at once and then I explain it to you twice and how it also does not take away from what you believe then i can't help you. just because truth is distorted or not grasped does not make it false. only God can teach you the truth and so the most important thing is not judging if what I said is good or evil but rather it is the clinging to God that matters.

don't worry though. whether it be theological study or mystical experience I can tell you that the atheist don't see a difference between us lol. that is why they can only detract and disprove the outer layers of Christianity but not it's depths. they in-fact help my cause when they seek the truth. they are my refiners. Christianities "enemies" are really our helpers. therefore God shall reward them justly. i'm not your enemy and i have not said a word to you that is making war against you. i'm only rejoicing in God and I get compelled to type things in joy.

both Christians and atheist have done terrible things in our world... and good things too... because we are all human beings and we try to do good in the way we think is right and we seek the truth and cling to what we believe is the truth. therefore it is up to every single person to do good or evil and with the truth they have they shall either do good or evil.

maybe God chooses to forget our evils and then they are no more. thus he does not know some things and thus they do not exist. is the OP true? I don't fully understand him but he brings forth some things that are not common which helps to stimulate conversation and thinking. if God does not know someone then they do not exist. nothing can be if God does not know. this does not mean God HAS to know because he is not a SLAVE to anything as he is his own thing. God chooses to know or not know because he is free. things can still exist if God does not want them to but those things exist in a state of chaos of non-being and being, in a state of falling apart. and this is not good for his creatures but eternally he is beholding his beloved eternal creation as his love transforms in theosis and thus we remain in God forever and he in us forever and this reality is like a shadow that fades away as a flash of lightning and in the blink of an eye.

You don't debate? Well I do and so did Jesus. So far nearly everything you've said about Jesus is wrong.

You need to pick up a Bible and stop making up wordy arguments to suit yourself.

 

[Blessedj01]

Are you a Son of God? That is how God relates to you.

Yes, but that doesn't follow anything else that you've said so far...