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Global Warming is getting faster
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inhisdebt said:
That is cool, but many people in this world aren't Christians.......
And secondly...shouldn't we heal our land ourselves? It is easy to sit back and hope and pray for the best......Better is to honor God's creation and take good care of it......or why elese should you go to the doctor when you are sick: God will heal you?
Why do we have brains (and have scientists that use them correctly) and make us able to think and act for ourselves?
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belladonic-haze said:
I think you vastly underestimate the power of God. Besides, didn't God warn us that the Earth will be destroyed and judged by fire in the end? That's why Jesus said the two Great Commandments were love thy neighbour as they self and love the Lord your God with all your heart all your soul and all your mind. He didn't say anything about the environment.
In fact, if you really think about it, "global warming" could have something to do with the verse below? Those who love sin can attest extreme weather and earthquakes to "climate change" instead of God's Judgments.
"And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12)
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OttawaUk said:
Global warming is human stupidity....no divine intervention here......we're idiots when it comes to taking care of the planet.....
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inhisdebt said:
Thanks InHisDebt! Great verse! It truely is amazing!
A good verse to show that we humans DO destroy our land. SO bad that God needs to help us by healing it.
Where are those global warming deniers now???
Blessings, friend.
Lucas
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OttawaUk said:
If you love God, you will respect Him. You show respect and gratitude by treating His creations with respect and care. Would you not agree?
OttawaUk said:
Hey OU,
Now, we usually agree on most things, and I value your opinion greatly, but I'm going to have to call you on this one, friend. The verse you provided has NOTHING to do with what you claim. You think that people who believe in the global warming "lie" will be condemned? DO you not see how incredibly flawed this argument is? How is it unrighteous to believe that global warming is harming our world? I'm sorry but you are just wrong.
God's Judgements? No. How about a sinful world that has turned its back on God, and God letting us to our own devices? Makes more sense to me.
But if you can show me otherwise, I am always willing to listen.
Blessing, brother.
Lucas
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BarbB
I stand with my brothers and sisters in Israel!
LucasGoltz said:
Hey, Lucas - PETA and Greenpeace think they are respecting and caring for the planet and animals and yet they destroy and murder.
We are to be caretakers and husbandmen (not to be sexist
). That means we take care of and we use to our benefit. I see what my environmentalist friends are saying. But I would say that Christians did not cause the condition of the planet. What makes us think, in our pride, that we can correct it? Do we even have time? At what cost?
Personally I would refuse to make the USA a third world nation just to have cleaner air. It does not make any kind of economic sense. And our industry is almost gone anyway. Please someone tell me why India and China have not signed Kyoto. Wasn't Bill Clinton the first to refuse to sign Kyoto? Smartest thing he ever did!
I may argue with you but I love you guys anyway!
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LucasGoltz said:
I agree we should treat the environment with respect and I also agree that believing in global warming is not a condemnation by any means. I was just simply stating that it is possible that it is a delusion to distract people from something else. I'll show you what I mean.
When most people see a tornado, earthquake, or hurricane, they always attribute it to "mother nature". However, God is Soverign and in control in this world, meaning that nothing happens by accident. So when an Earthquake kills 100,000 people, there are many people who will never think about the fact that this is a sinful world and we are not at peace with God. Instead they'll write it off to a "natural" disaster or "mother nature's" doing. This is because they've been deluded to believe that "mother nature" is in control, not God.
With that being said, I totally agree with you about respecting the environment and what God has given us. But personally, I feel the Global Warming issue is not the real problem, the real problem is sin! So instead of worrying too much about the environment, I concentrate on trying to bring people to Christ. That's not to say I don't do my part in recycling because its only a matter of respect but on the list of priorities I have to try to make a difference, global warming if its even real, is near the bottom.
Does that make sense?
God Bless brother,
OU
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Acts6:5 said:
Well for those who remain skeptical of global warming go to the BBC news website and do a search for global warming you will be suprised at the number of articles telling of fish dying, animals moving northward into new habitates, etc.
In revalation it says they cursed God because of the great heat and it all states that a angel pours a bowl of Gods wrath onto the sun and we are seeing a increase in solar flares.
It says that the sea will turn into blood and kill all the fish well there is a type of algae that looks red and is toxic to marine life.
There are numberous other signs I could point out but the fact is that we are destroying our planet and that it is fitting that God would use our own greed to punish us for destroying the earth.
Am I saying are we already in the end times? No I am not but we are at the beginning of birth pains and the situation is going to get a whole lot worse.
How long will the tribulation last ? Seven years but is it our years or Gods years because God does say that a day is like a thousand years to God and a thousand years is like a day.
In stead of being afraid we should rejoice because it means that our saviour could come at any time now. It also means that those who are truly in Christ better get off your , you know what, and get busy with applying the principles in the bible.
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Any number of possiblities are possible for the strong delusion but in my own opinion which is not biblically supported , the most logical choices would be the antiChrist who will rule the world or ufos. Ufos because it would be a good reason to explain away people disapearing.OttawaUk said:
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OttawaUk said:
Ok, I figured there was just a misunderstanding.
OttawaUk said:
I'm not sure how global warming can be a delusion, unless the devil has some power of the forces of nature that we're not aware of.
OttawaUk said:
I'm not so sure I agree with the idea that God is in the natural disasters business. I'm not denying that He can or has done it in the past, but I dont think He's about creating and destroying us with natural disasters. Let me explain the way I udnerstand it.
God created the earth and everything in it. He created us to have dominion over everything and to subdue it. However, we have turned around and cast our sinful nature on the other creations of God, and upset the balance. We havent treated the other creations of God liek we should have, and they are reacting as they should: defensively. If we act sinfully towards our fellow man, what should we expect? If we act violently towards another man, should we not expect him to act defensively or attack back? Why shouldnt the other creations of God act any differently?
Do you understand my line of reasoning?
OttawaUk said:
In the end, you are correct. The sin of the world is far more problematic than the problems of global warming or anything else we may encounter in this world.
OttawaUk said:
Well, there really is nothing to worry about because we have already won the battle in Christ our Lord. I believe we still need to focus on our problems, so that we can better understand ourselves. Agreed?
OttawaUk said:
One day, however, global wamring will force itself to be right near the top of the list.
OttawaUk said:
I understand what you are saying, brother, and I agree with most of what you said. I still feel global warming is a complex problem with complex resolutions, lying not only in our physical world, but your spiritual one as well.
God Bless, brother.
Lucas
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BarbB said:
They are?!
BarbB said:We are to be caretakers and husbandmen (not to be sexist
Use to our benefit? I dont understand that statement. Husbands are supposed to ues their wives to their own benefits? I dont think thats right, Barb.
BarbB said:
I tend to disagree with you there. I think we are just as responsible for the conditions of this planet than the rest of the unbelieving world. We actually might be more responsible.
BarbB said:
I dont think its being prideful at all to believe that we can implement a solution to a problem that we have caused. Itd be selfish of us not to try and correct the wrong that we have aflicted on our world.
Do we have time? I can't answer that because I dont know when our Lord will come back for us. Since we dont know, we should suppose that we do have the time to correct the problem.
BarbB said:
That's quite the stretch there, Barb. A thrid-world nation? By forcing your multinational corporations to abide by cleaner air restrictions, you are not going to become a third- world country.
BarbB said:
Sometimes we have to think about our health and well-being than about our pocket books. What's more importnat? Money and wealth, or our bodies, that are the temples of God?
Awww, we love you too, Barb.BarbB said:I may argue with you but I love you guys anyway!
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Lucas,
Remember, God is not distant, He is very active and everything lives by His Spirit.
Psalm 104 is for you, bro.
Psalm 104
1 Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.
9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.
10 He sendeth the springs into the valleys, which run among the hills.
11 They give drink to every beast of the field: the wild asses quench their thirst.
12 By them shall the fowls of the heaven have their habitation, which sing among the branches.
13 He watereth the hills from his chambers: the earth is satisfied with the fruit of thy works.
14 He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth;
15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
16 The trees of the LORD are full of sap; the cedars of Lebanon, which he hath planted;
17 Where the birds make their nests: as for the stork, the fir trees are her house.
18 The high hills are a refuge for the wild goats; and the rocks for the conies.
19 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.
20 Thou makest darkness, and it is night: wherein all the beasts of the forest do creep forth.
21 The young lions roar after their prey, and seek their meat from God.
22 The sun ariseth, they gather themselves together, and lay them down in their dens.
23 Man goeth forth unto his work and to his labour until the evening.
24 O LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.
25 So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts.
26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.
27 These wait all upon thee; that thou mayest give them their meat in due season.
28 That thou givest them they gather: thou openest thine hand, they are filled with good.
29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.
30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.
31 The glory of the LORD shall endure for ever: the LORD shall rejoice in his works.
32 He looketh on the earth, and it trembleth: he toucheth the hills, and they smoke.
33 I will sing unto the LORD as long as I live: I will sing praise to my God while I have my being.
34 My meditation of him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the LORD.
35 Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless thou the LORD, O my soul. Praise ye the LORD.
God Bless,
OU
Remember, God is not distant, He is very active and everything lives by His Spirit.
Psalm 104 is for you, bro.
Psalm 104
1 Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.
9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.
10 He sendeth the springs into the valleys, which run among the hills.
11 They give drink to every beast of the field: the wild asses quench their thirst.
12 By them shall the fowls of the heaven have their habitation, which sing among the branches.
13 He watereth the hills from his chambers: the earth is satisfied with the fruit of thy works.
14 He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth;
15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
16 The trees of the LORD are full of sap; the cedars of Lebanon, which he hath planted;
17 Where the birds make their nests: as for the stork, the fir trees are her house.
18 The high hills are a refuge for the wild goats; and the rocks for the conies.
19 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.
20 Thou makest darkness, and it is night: wherein all the beasts of the forest do creep forth.
21 The young lions roar after their prey, and seek their meat from God.
22 The sun ariseth, they gather themselves together, and lay them down in their dens.
23 Man goeth forth unto his work and to his labour until the evening.
24 O LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.
25 So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts.
26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.
27 These wait all upon thee; that thou mayest give them their meat in due season.
28 That thou givest them they gather: thou openest thine hand, they are filled with good.
29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.
30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.
31 The glory of the LORD shall endure for ever: the LORD shall rejoice in his works.
32 He looketh on the earth, and it trembleth: he toucheth the hills, and they smoke.
33 I will sing unto the LORD as long as I live: I will sing praise to my God while I have my being.
34 My meditation of him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the LORD.
35 Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless thou the LORD, O my soul. Praise ye the LORD.
God Bless,
OU
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LucasGoltz said:
Get your gov't to sign the Kyoto agreement would be a good start. USA is the world's biggest polluter.
What has not yet been seriously considered, is that global warming may be something that accelerates with time. For all we know, the acceleration rate may be rapid. In other words, when it starts to fall apart, it could happen much faster than we think. It may start seemingly slow and than fall upon us like a leaking dam bursting through. We have no sure way of knowing.
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OttawaUk said:
I know God is very active in our world. However, when we, as Mankind, turn from Him and push God away, He, being the Perfect Gentleman He is, will let us distance ourselves from Him. He allows this because He has given us freewill.
OttawaUk said:
Thanks for the Psalm, OU. Its a beautiful one.
I'd love for you to respond to my last post reply to you.
Blessings, brother.
Lucas
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iwalkwithchrist
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Hello!!!
If we are the cause of global warming here on earth who's causing it on Mars????
Just something to think about....
God Bless,
Joy
http://www.mos.org/cst-archive/article/80/9.html
If we are the cause of global warming here on earth who's causing it on Mars????
Just something to think about....
God Bless,
Joy
http://www.mos.org/cst-archive/article/80/9.html
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sherry40
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when the rapture will occur is still debatable. many feel it will happen at the beginning, some the middle some the end. I do not have a personal preference as to when it will happen but in case it happened pre or mid trib then a excuse that the antichrist would use would be in order.LucasGoltz said:
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