Getting Water Baptized Twice?

[x141]

We condemn ourselves much the same way Adam did himself (nothing new under the Son), being that in Christ there is no condemnation.

 

[ViaCrucis]

This passage is my point. While we may not ever fully understand all theology etc. the state of our heart and why we make our choices are important.

I Corinthians 11:27
So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.

So having read that passage, would still then consider the 'rite' to have been 'right' in the eyes of God.

You can't sin against the body and blood of the Lord unless it is what it is. Eating and drinking in an unworthy manner doesn't invalidate the Sacrament and the reality of what it is.

Baptism remains Baptism.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Colleen1]

To be baptized into something means to be enclosed by it. For it to become your identity. It's a trading of garments or an enclosing of His garden.

I believe the following is why we get baptized and that we should show the ones around us that we are committed and what we believe as a witness. We have made a 'decision':

Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Romans 6:4

 

[Albion]

I believe the following is why we get baptized and that we should show the ones around us that we are committed and what we believe as a witness. We have made a 'decision':

If you think that this is all there is to Baptism--a public declaration of your belief--then I can well appreciate why you'd say this.

However, it's obviously NOT the only quality there is to Baptism, as the verses you approved with the comment, "Exactly my point" demonstrate. For example,

38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38

 

[Colleen1]

You can't sin against the body and blood of the Lord unless it is what it is. Eating and drinking in an unworthy manner doesn't invalidate the Sacrament and the reality of what it is.

Baptism remains Baptism.

-CryptoLutheran

Minimum it would be dishonest to complete a rite one doesn't agree with and then it is further err if one does so and proclaims this and does not mean it... God's power does not change but following through with a rite when it is not truly what we believe... is not 'right'. If this in fact is what you are suggesting then I'd like to see scripture...

 

[Colleen1]

"Important?" Sure. But we were talking about which Baptisms are valid.



Notice please, that there is nothing in that passage that says the Lord's Supper is a sham or invalid if we do not eat and drink it worthily. We will eat and drink to our condemnation if we approach it unworthily, but that doesn't mean that the sacrament/ordinance is invalidated by our mindset--yet that is what you are trying to apply to the other sacrament, Baptism.

How can a rite be okay if one does not believe? Believe and you will be saved... not 'get dipped in water' and you will be saved.

I am in no way suggesting the power of God changes but I am saying that unless we believe / accept... we will be lacking.

 

[Colleen1]

If you think that this is all there is to Baptism--a public declaration of your belief--then I can well appreciate why you'd say this.

However, it's obviously NOT the only quality there is to Baptism, as the verses you approved with the comment, "Exactly my point" demonstrate. For example,

I'm aware of that scripture. I believe that baptism is more than a declaration. It was for me personally but I do not believe that you must be baptized to gain salvation. Again we have the example of the man next to Jesus on the cross and neither do I believe that if a child dies without being baptized that they will not be saved.

 

[abysmul]

Ephesians 2:8-9

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [a]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

 

[Colleen1]

Ephesians 2:8-9

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [a]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Exactly, basic gospel.

 

[Albion]

I'm aware of that scripture. I believe that baptism is more than a declaration. It was for me personally but I do not believe that you must be baptized to gain salvation.

Few people do. I don't and Via Crucis doesn't, so let's drop that from the conversation.

Again we have the example of the man next to Jesus on the cross and neither do I believe that if a child dies without being baptized that they will not be saved.

Why are you talking about salvation without Baptism when that is not the subject?

 

[Thekla]

How can a rite be okay if one does not believe? Believe and you will be saved... not 'get dipped in water' and you will be saved.

I am in no way suggesting the power of God changes but I am saying that unless we believe / accept... we will be lacking.

He says "keep on following Me"; the degree of our following is the personal and also changes as we are always "in process". The "I believe" is not confined to any moment, but is repeatedly or keep on or continuous.

Baptism brings one into the Household, but (as the epistles point out) the decision, the belief, the action is a 'now decision' each moment for the entire sojourn. So (once again the example of correction and exhortation in the epistles), the matter does not end at baptism, but the repenting affirming belief keeps taking place.

 

[Albion]

How can a rite be okay if one does not believe?

How can God function without our comprehension?

How can a medicine work without us being aware of the way it cures?

It's just too obvious that we take for granted that many things in life are powerful or effective whether or not we are specialists in their procedures. We don't fully understand how God's grace and forgiveness are imparted to us or what they do for us, but we accept them on Faith....unless it's Baptism, apparently.



I really don't get why this is incomprehensible to you. God does things for us. That's it.

 

[Colleen1]

He says "keep on following Me"; the degree of our following is the personal and also changes as we are always "in process". The "I believe" is not confined to any moment, but is repeatedly or keep on or continuous.

Baptism brings one into the Household, but (as the epistles point out) the decision, the belief, the action is a 'now decision' each moment for the entire sojourn. So (once again the example of correction and exhortation in the epistles), the matter does not end at baptism, but the repenting affirming belief keeps taking place.

I believe our relationship with God is ongoing and have never denied that ...rather, I believe that to be scriptural. However, as far as baptism 'bringing us into the household' that's debatable.... We are already considered a child of God apart from baptism if we believe and have accepted etc. However, proclaiming belief in God etc. and performing rite is not appropriate if one does not believe ....dishonest and disrespectful to God. That is different than not being a 'perfect' Christian / person. We are fallible and living a Christian life is a process and ongoing... deception is still deception. I'm not saying this in regards to one who has continued growing faith. I'm referring to one who takes part in a rite and knows in their heart is not being done for the right reasons.

 

[x141]

I believe the following is why we get baptized and that we should show the ones around us that we are committed and what we believe as a witness. We have made a 'decision':

Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Romans 6:4

It is an outward showing of an inward thing, but only to those who are present at it, which will be few of all the ones we continually walk amongst.

For him to be our identity, it costs all, which death/baptism represents, Him not only dying for us, but as us ... it is an absolute. To be in Him, is to be in the place of no sin, to refute that this is true by reason based on what we see, is to refute the Truth that He is, and in Whom we are in, and to place our thoughts above His.

I have been baptized twice, once when I first did the altar call thing. The second time all I got was wet, and was brought into the understanding (by Him) that this was as far as the east was from the west of, what he meant.

 

[Colleen1]

How can God function without our comprehension?

How can a medicine work without us being aware of the way it cures?

It's just too obvious that we take for granted that many things in life are powerful or effective whether or not we are specialists in their procedures. We don't fully understand how God's grace and forgiveness are imparted to us or what they do for us, but we accept them on Faith....unless it's Baptism, apparently.



I really don't get why this is incomprehensible to you. God does things for us. That's it.

DECEPTION ...CONSCIOUS DECEPTION is NOT ok. It is even more disrespectful when it is done regarding the name of God. This is what I'm referring to.

 

[Albion]

I have been baptized twice, once when I first did the altar call thing. The second time all I got was wet, and was brought into the understanding (by Him) that this was as far as the east was from the west of, what he meant.

IOW, you've been baptized once. And then there was an attempted "rebaptism" that failed.

 

[Albion]

DECEPTION ...CONSCIOUS DECEPTION is NOT ok.

What are you talking about?

 

[Colleen1]

It is an outward showing of an inward thing, but only to those who are present at it, which will be few of all the ones we continually walk amongst.

For him to be our identity, it costs all, which death/baptism represents, Him not only dying for us, but as us ... it is an absolute. To be in Him, is to be in the place of no sin, to refute that this is true by reason based on what we see, is to refute the Truth that He is, and in Whom we are in, and to place our thoughts above His.

I have been baptized twice, once when I first did the altar call thing. The second time all I got was wet, and was brought into the understanding (by Him) that this was as far as the east was from the west of, what he meant.

I agree with part your first paragraph apart form our thoughts being 'above' God's. ...just not possible. Then again maybe you have a differing meaning in mind. Also, we are not infallible. We err even after we become Christians and get baptized. We need God's constant grace and forgiveness.

When I got baptized the second time, I knew it was God's will and the right thing for me to do. That was God working in my life and it was completely different than the first time. I'm not proud that I got baptized the first time for the wrong reason but I'm not also going to say that it was okay for me to do this.. it wasn't. Neither did it mean I was a lost cause but how could it be meaningful to me and honest when I wasn't ... well wasn't doing it for the right reasons.... What I did was wrong.

I have also gone to church as a teen and not taken communion. Believing in God but confused about salvation.... not sure what to believe... what I did / should believe. It was the honorable thing for me to do... between me and God. And boy oh boy, did I ever get pressured but I'm glad I did right by God. Now, communion is one of my favourite services. It's awe inspiring, illuminating and stretches me to grow... human words can't possibly express some of the ways God has worked in my heart and life.

 

[Colleen1]

What are you talking about?

I am talking about experiencing a Christian rite while purposely being deceptive about what one really believes.... what I have been talking about all along.

 

[x141]

IOW, you've been baptized once. And then there was an attempted "rebaptism" that failed.

It didn't fail, but success was never determined by my perception one way or the other. Just the end of my perception is what it brought me to, and this is continually, or daily as Paul referred to it.

Seeing how baptism in many forms is strewn about in scripture, you would also think that God's baptism of the earth by water would have done the job, but this is the continually unfolding of Truth until it was narrowed back to one. The same thing is happening in us now.