Genesis One

[Hank77]

Yup....

hekousiōs - "voluntarily:—wilfully, willingly" (from both Strongs and Thayers)

No surprise here. Means exactly how you read it. What did you think it means?

Edit:
So look at Amans previous scenario I responded to with that.

If I were a Christian, I would obviously know from study of scripture that giving someone the "one finger salute" would be wrong and against scriptural teaching. Therefore it would be sin. Therefore I would be willfully sinning (hekousios- voluntarily; willfully). Ties in with James 4:17.

Colossians 3:8
Ephesians 4:31

There are only two scriptures where this Greek word is used in the NT. Heb. 10:26 and 1 Peter 5:2.

The first is in relationship to the person who has received the Gospel, understands it completely, and becomes apostate in rejecting Christ as their Savior and Lord. In this verse it is specifically speaking of the Jew who received Christ knowing the His blood was spilt for their salvation, then they reject it and return to the temple sacrifices of the blood of bulls and goats for atonement. But it is just as relevant to the non-Jewish apostate. Note: At that time the temple had not yet been destroyed.

I Peter 5:2 is very clear as to what willfully/willingly means. Not because one is under outside compulsion and not because one is tempted by material rewards, but for the right reason of caring for the flock.

I would encourage you and others to read and consult those who have more experience in the Greek language and in the Word. I have to do it all the time!!

https://www.gty.org/library/bibleqn...believers-continue-in-patterns-of-willful-sin

I'm just guessing here but if you did give someone the 'one finger salute' this would not come under the category of 'willful' sin. It may be inconsiderate and it may a reaction because of a weakness, such as not controlling one's temper and reacting before thinking when one is tempted. Again not willful sin.

G1596

1. voluntarily, willingly, of one's own accord
   
   1. to sin wilfully as opposed to sins committed inconsiderately, and from ignorance or from weakness
      

 

[TCassidy]

But you do.

As do you. Such as your KJVOism.

 

[TCassidy]

So then there is a singular word for Heaven?

But not in Genesis 1:1 ... right?

No. The word is either a dual or a plural.

 

[TCassidy]

Inspiration: the autographs
Preservation: the originals

The autographa ARE the originals.

1. AV330 Gothic Version
2. AV700 Anglo-Saxon Version
3. AV1389 Wycliffe

You know all three of the above were translated from the Roman Catholic Latin Vulgate? Right?

 

[TCassidy]

Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Yes, God will preserve His people, the poor and needy of verse 5, just like the KJV says, from the wicked generation what was oppressing them.

 

[AV1611VET]

The autographa ARE the originals.

No, they aren't.

Unless you're changing "autographs" to "autographa" for some underlying reason.

You know all three of the above were translated from the Roman Catholic Latin Vulgate? Right?

No, I didn't know that.

Neither do I care.

God superintended those re-writings, just like He superintended the writing of the KJB.

That means that when a translator sat down and tried to write, GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS (plural), his hand couldn't make the letter S.

Okay ... so I'm being a little facetious with that ... but hopefully you get what I'm saying.

I say "hopefully," since you sound like an educated man; and that usually spells trouble for the Bible.

In any event, Paul said ...

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Putting an S on the end of a word that was meant to be singular can lead to error doctrine; as you're so aptly demonstrating.

I'll bet you think "Easter" doesn't belong in Acts 12:4 either ... do you?

Acts 12:4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

Tell me, Baptist, in this day and age that we're living in, do you know the difference between a male and a female?

If so, what's with academia's gender confusion?

Colossians 4:15 [KJV] Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.

Colossians 4:15 [NIV] Give my greetings to the brothers and sisters at Laodicea, and to Nympha and the church in her house.

You must be one of those Southern Baptists or something, eh?

That's were Jerry [The Turncoat] Falwell jumped ship to.

Yes, God will preserve His people, the poor and needy of verse 5, just like the KJV says, from the wicked generation what was oppressing them.

Mamma mia.

 

[Speedwell]

No, they aren't.

Unless you're changing "autographs" to "autographa" for some underlying reason.
No, I didn't know that.

Neither do I care.

God superintended those re-writings, just like He superintended the writing of the KJB.

That means that when a translator sat down and tried to write, GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS (plural), his hand couldn't make the letter S.

Okay ... so I'm being a little facetious with that ... but hopefully you get what I'm saying.

I say "hopefully," since you sound like an educated man; and that usually spells trouble for the Bible.

In any event, Paul said ...

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Putting an S on the end of a word that was meant to be singular can lead to error doctrine; as you're so aptly demonstrating.

I'll bet you think "Easter" doesn't belong in Acts 12:4 either ... do you?

Acts 12:4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

Tell me, Baptist, in this day and age that we're living in, do you know the difference between a male and a female?

If so, what's with academia's gender confusion?

Colossians 4:15 [KJV] Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.

Colossians 4:15 [NIV] Give my greetings to the brothers and sisters at Laodicea, and to Nympha and the church in her house.

You must be one of those Southern Baptists or something, eh?

That's were Jerry [The Turncoat] Falwell jumped ship to.

Mamma mia.

So seriously, what makes you think that any of that about the KJV is true?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Whatever you need to believe to believe....

No belief required - it's a practically applied science!

 

[AV1611VET]

So seriously, what makes you think that any of that about the KJV is true?

If this thread doesn't show you the verbal battles that go on back and forth in tongues; and having seen this, it doesn't faze you, then I can't answer your question to the degree that you'd understand.

Peter S. Ruckman once asked, "Is the word of God to be found in the footnotes of some Bible translation?"

 

[TCassidy]

Unless you're changing "autographs" to "autographa" for some underlying reason.

Autographa = Latin for autographs.

I'll bet you think "Easter" doesn't belong in Acts 12:4 either ... do you?

I believe it does, but unlike you I can tell you why it is correct.

If so, what's with academia's gender confusion?

νυμφαν is a noun in the accusative case, masculine gender, singular.

"His" is correct. "Her" is supported by B and 67. Aleph A C P read autōn (their). The rest all read "his."

Mamma mia.

Yes, that is a good idea. Have your mother read the verses to you. She will be able to explain what it means, and what the KJV translators put in the marginal note so you would know that "them" was referring the the "poor and needy" of verse 5.

 

[AV1611VET]

"His" is correct. "Her" is supported by B and 67. Aleph A C P read autōn (their). The rest all read "his."

How does it feel to put yourself in the Holy Spirit's place and tell people what word to use?

The Bible says "heaven" (singular) in Genesis 1:1, and if you think it should be plural, take it up with the Author, not me.

By the way ... just curious ... can you tell me why JESUS is in all caps in Matthew 1?

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Matthew 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

How does it feel to put yourself in the Holy Spirit's place and tell people what word to use?

Somebody has to do it - God could turn up and tell us all himself too, until then, we're left to these wordgames between believers over who has the right interpretation... geez, anyone would think he didn't exist, or something...

 

[AV1611VET]

Somebody has to do it -

They did -- in 1611 -- for the last time.

Despite what academians want to do with It in 2018.

And holy men translated It too.

Not these 21st century college graduates who think their degrees don't stink.

For the record:

Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

It's not to be played around with by those who think the Dead Sea Scrolls -- (not the Dead Sea Scrolls) -- have some kind of validity.

 

[Acts2:38]

I'm just guessing here but if you did give someone the 'one finger salute' this would not come under the category of 'willful' sin. It may be inconsiderate and it may a reaction because of a weakness, such as not controlling one's temper and reacting before thinking when one is tempted. Again not willful sin.

It is willful sin if you have been told not to do it.

You tell your employee, " please do not park in this space". They do it anyway.

You are telling me that is not willful?

Colossians 3
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him

Now I can understand if one has never known something to be a sin, but once they find out and still do it, that is willful.

 

[Hank77]

It is willful sin if you have been told not to do it.

You tell your employee, " please do not park in this space". They do it anyway.

You are telling me that is not willful?

Colossians 3
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him

Now I can understand if one has never known something to be a sin, but once they find out and still do it, that is willful.

The Bible wasn't written in English. I quoted what the definition of the Greek word is. The definition also tells us what it is not.
What do these words mean in English...
inconsiderately
ignorance
weakness

Did you read the article from John MacArthur's, Grace to You website?
You can read it or not, I have no more to say about it.

 

[Acts2:38]

The Bible wasn't written in English. I quoted what the definition of the Greek word is. The definition also tells us what it is not.
What do these words mean in English...
inconsiderately
ignorance
weakness

I know it wasn't written in English originally. However, there are wonderful people with the awesome ability to translate. People have been doing translations for a very long time. So there is no excuse sir.

Also, we have been told that ignorance IS no longer excused...

Acts 17:30-31

So please, you are not going to get anywhere on this against what scripture tells me.

 

[Hank77]

I know it wasn't written in English originally. However, there are wonderful people with the awesome ability to translate. People have been doing translations for a very long time. So there is no excuse sir.

Also, we have been told that ignorance IS no longer excused...

Acts 17:30-31

So please, you are not going to get anywhere on this against what scripture tells me.

Adam Clarke's Commentary
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully - If we deliberately, for fear of persecution or from any other motive, renounce the profession of the Gospel and the Author of that Gospel, after having received the knowledge of the truth so as to be convinced that Jesus is the promised Messiah, and that he had sprinkled our hearts from an evil conscience; for such there remaineth no sacrifice for sins; for as the Jewish sacrifices are abolished, as appears by the declaration of God himself in the fortieth Psalm, and Jesus being now the only sacrifice which God will accept, those who reject him have none other; therefore their case must be utterly without remedy. This is the meaning of the apostle, and the case is that of a deliberate apostate - one who has utterly rejected Jesus Christ and his atonement, and renounced the whole Gospel system. It has nothing to do with backsliders in our common use of that term. A man may be overtaken in a fault, or he may deliberately go into sin, and yet neither renounce the Gospel, nor deny the Lord that bought him. His case is dreary and dangerous, but it is not hopeless; no case is hopeless but that of the deliberate apostate, who rejects the whole Gospel system, after having been saved by grace, or convinced of the truth of the Gospel. To him there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin; for there was but the One, Jesus, and this he has utterly rejected.

John Gill's Commentary
For if we sin wilfully,....
Which is not to be understood of a single act of sin,
but rather of a course of sinning;
nor of sins of infirmity through temptation,
or even of grosser acts of sin,
but of voluntary ones;
and not of all voluntary ones, or in which the will is engaged and concerned,
but of such which are done on set purpose, resolutely and obstinately; and not of immoral practices, but of corrupt principles, and acting according to them; it intends a total apostasy from the truth, against light and evidence, joined with obstinacy.

Neither did I say that sin is not sin, only that there is a difference between sin and WILLFUL sin.

 

[Speedwell]

If this thread doesn't show you the verbal battles that go on back and forth in tongues; and having seen this, it doesn't faze you, then I can't answer your question to the degree that you'd understand.

Peter S. Ruckman once asked, "Is the word of God to be found in the footnotes of some Bible translation?"

No, I am not fazed. My opinion is that if you have to be seriously concerned about such things, you're chopping your theology way too fine.

 

[AV1611VET]

By the way ... just curious ... can you tell me why JESUS is in all caps in Matthew 1?

Bumped for Mr. T.

 

[TCassidy]

How does it feel to put yourself in the Holy Spirit's place and tell people what word to use?

I don't. God inspired the Hebrew and Greek. God preserved the Hebrew and Greek. Scholarly men translated the Hebrew and Greek into English.

In fact, it is you who usurps the place of the Holy Spirit by telling people to only use the KJV while saying all other English versions are "per-versions" and Satanic bibles.

The Bible says "heaven" (singular) in Genesis 1:1, and if you think it should be plural, take it up with the Author, not me.

I did take it up with the Author. He inspired השׁמים which is a dual, meaning two.

By the way ... just curious ... can you tell me why JESUS is in all caps in Matthew 1?

Jesus is the name Joshua, a contraction of Jehoshuah (see Numbers 13:16; and 1 Chronicles 7:27), signifying in Hebrew, "Jehovah is helper," or "Help of Jehovah." As the KJV translators translated the Tetragrammaton (יהוה) as LORD rather than as Yahweh (Jehovah), they put the "first mention" of the Name Jesus in all caps to signify that "Jesus" was a New Testament translation of a form of Yahweh or LORD from the Old Testament.