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Genesis 6 Giants in scripture

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Postvieww, Dec 21, 2014.

  1. Handmaid for Jesus

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    No they are not human, they are Nephilim.I noticed that the word Nephilim is removed somehow from the KJV and NKJV but the Amplified still has Nephilim in the two places where they used to be in theKJVand NKJV.
    Gen 6:4 There were Nephilim (men of stature, notorious men) on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God lived with the daughters of men, and they gave birth to their children. These were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown (great reputation, fame).AMP.
    Num. 13:33 There we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

    The Nephilim are hybrid people,part human and part angelic.
     
  2. Denadii

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    Very good. To be more specific, the giants are Nephilim but are specifically Raphaim..Nephilim are all the crosses...Angel human, angel animal and whatever...That's why we wound up with 'mythical creatures like, unicorns, centaurs, fauns, griffins, minitaur, and so on. The Nephilim envelops all of these as well as the Raphaim (giants).
     
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    Actually the text in Matthew says “angels in heaven” and makes no reference to the fallen angels . Jude deals with those angels.



    Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    I seems to me many make the assumption from Matthew that because angels in heaven do not marry, that fallen angels are not capable of sexual relation. IMHO that is an assumption without support from scripture.


    People in the resurrection and the angels of heaven have no need to procreate and to your point most likely do not have the ability to do such. On the other hand for the angels that rebelled and “left their first estate” we really do not know everything they are capable of.


    Some of them are in chains currently and some are not, so what did the ones bound in chains do worse than the rebellion against God that got them the greater punishment? I believe Jude is clear on that point and makes that distinction.
     
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    Steve Quayle and L a Marzulli have interviewed some of the military men involved in this encounter with a giant. They claim the solders have been instructed to shoot for the head if confronted by one. Refer back to David’s encounter with Goliath. He went for the head.

     
  5. Almost there

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    I defer to my tag line on this one. There is a LOT of allegory in the bible regarding things "not of this earth". I'm not married to ANY position on it since we now see through a glass darkly.
     
  6. Postvieww

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    Gotcha:wave: Nice bass.
     
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    I don’t pretend to have all of the answers either. I started this thread because I believe the position it promotes answers far more questions than it raises. I fully understand why so many disagree. I just try to make my case knowing everyone will come to their own conclusions.
     
  8. Almost there

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    Believe it or not, I don't necessarily disagree with you, nor do I necessarily agree.

    I used to be a real dogmatic arguer regarding the tribulation period back in the 80's and 90's. I now disagree with most of what I believed back then. But a real eye opener for me was moving from Seattle to a rural area in Kentucky in the heart of the bible belt, and playing in a southern gospel band that visits a LOT of local small baptist churches.

    I discovered a vast sea of arrogant ignorance. A lot of these people believe ridiculous stuff about the bible that can easily be refuted, yet if you try to discuss it with them, you get all sorts of red faced accusations of being of the devil, preaching blasphemy, etc.

    And then a music director at a large church in Louisville clarified something for me (I was there because of a CL ad). His church had a lot of members that were professors at a fairly large local university. And from his experience in the small churches and his experience there, he came up with this:

    "Regarding "lesser" messages of the bible, I've found that the more a person studies the bible, the less sure they are of their position on the subject."

    This means that I may touch on subjects like the subject of this thread, but I limit myself to how deep into the weeds I get because it eventually becomes pure speculation. What I do instead is fall back on the personality of God as I know it and His full message from the whole bible as well as His involvement in my life and answer to prayer.

    And if that foundation does not clear it up, and it is not critical to salvation and obeying his commandments, I move on. This is one of those issues.
     
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    Wow.
     
  10. Davy

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    Per Jude 1:6, the angels kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation. The next verse is used to compare to what act they were guilty of, i.e., "giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh..." (Jude 1:7).

    So somehow, the fallen angels changed their estate when they came to earth, and that is how they were able to take wives of flesh woman and produce offspring.

    Their offspring were hybrids. The word Rephaim was a name for them, and in Isaiah there are two passages in the KJV that is referring to them but was mistranslated; like this one as the word "deceased".

    Isa 26:14
    14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased (Rephaim), they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

    KJV

    The subject? The giants (Rephaim) "shall not rise", meaning, they will have no resurrection. Whether that means they are soulless or whatever, it does mean they are not to be resurrected. That's another Biblical proof that the giants were hybrids and not human, and the mating of angels with flesh woman did actually occur.

    The purpose - Satan was trying to taint the flesh seed that Jesus would be born through. This was God's whole purpose of bringing the flood of Noah's day, i.e., to wipe out these hybrids that He did not create and interfered with His Salvation Plan. We know it was about bloodline purity in that time because in Gen.6 we are told that Noah was perfect in his generations, and the Hebrew word used is about unblemised purity God required of sacrificial animals. Noah was around 500 years old before he took a wife. Do you think it took him that long to find a woman who hadn't been tainted? Likely.

    Because Gen.6 says "and also after that", means there was a 2nd irruption of the angels mating with flesh women. This is why God told Israel to literally wipe out everything in certain lands of Canaan, because of the giant hybrids.

    Gen.6 also reveals these giants were "men of renown" meaning literally 'men of the name', or 'legend'. What legend? The legends of ancient mythologies of gods. That's likely where those legends from different ancient countries originated, the tales becoming twisted here and there over time. Hybrids walking the earth much larger than humans, and with the ability exercise powers of the spiritual realm? That's what the old mythologies point to.
     
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  11. Almost there

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    The problem with this issue, especially when comparing the old to new testaments is the process of converting hebrew and greek to english, within the context of the verse. It's why I don't get into these discussions much. It's hard to determine what is really being said and it is not docrtinal, so I consider it of lower priority.

    Perhaps the movie "Knowing" got it most correct. ;) At least it had the wheels within wheels. :)
     
  12. seventysevens

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    Sometimes it is about what a person is willing to believe , as some insist on a carnal view as they are not willing to believe the plain language of scripture.
    For example in Revelation it speaks of demons with the shapes of locusts that will come up out of the pit during the wrath of God to torment mankind for 5 months and describes them as locusts with the faces of men with breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

    It was taught when I was young that these demons were actually helicopters piloted by men saying the breastplates and the sound of the wings were the helicopter and the faces of men were the pilots . I have not heard that teaching for a long time now as it shows that those who came up with that idea simply could not conceive that the demons could be real so they had to come up with some sort of explanation that would fit into what mankind would develop ;)
     
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  13. Davy

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    Irrelevant.
     
  14. Almost there

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    Opinions vary. I guess it depends on what you are trying to get out of the discussion. ;)
     
  15. Davy

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    Well, I guess one could say the giants were aliens too, and that would be an opinion, wouldn't it? yeah, it would, and not really worth much, because God's Word doesn't back that idea up.

    But to earnestly look at God's Word in the several Scriptures on the matter of the giants to understand the fuller picture God's Word gives, well that's not really opinion, but an understanding from God's Word.

    Giants - newspapers
     
  16. Almost there

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    Depends on what you mean by "aliens". I'm not being facetious.

    In all seriousness, I consider the message of the bible, from a scientific perspective, to be written in a way one might try to translate modern science fiction to a bunch of first century shepherds. The story of creation and the universe is far more complex and compelling than that best and most fantastic science fiction ever written. We'ere talking about the creator of the very physical laws in which we exist.

    Wouldn't it be interesting to learn that "angel" describes inter-dimensional beings God created for a very specific purpose that spans far outside the entire history of this incarnation of Earth. The bible is actually quiet silent on such things. It only gives a glimpse, as through a glass darkly.

    I would love to know what the seven thunders said. :)

    BTW. Light is said to be a wave, like waves in water. That is, the water doesn't move, but the wave does. So, if the wave crashing on the beach is analogous to the light wave, what is the water, from which the wave is formed, analogous to? Are we in fact surrounded by "packed solid" energy that we simply can't see nor detect until it is excited, causing waves that we interpret as light, radio, etc.?

    Again, the bible represents so many things that are beyond our comprehension. We don't really know what an "angel" is other than where they come from and who created them...and a very few of their attributes.
     
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    Yes, I mostly agree. God's Word covers much science.


    What the seven thunders said - 'It's over.'

    Rev 10:4
    4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, 'Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.'
    KJV


    The seven thunders is not really some mystical idea. It's a simple analogy.

    What comes first, the lightning or the thunder? Lightning comes first. So by the time you hear the thunder the lightning is over. If you'll notice in the next verses after that idea, we're told about the mystery of God being finished. That's what the thunders having sounded is pointing to.
     
  18. Postvieww

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    It is my opinion any topic the Holy Spirit chose to include is important and beneficial for us to study. As related to this topic, if any unsaved person or an atheist in particular argues God in the Old Testament was unfair or unreasonable to have entire groups, men, women, children and sometimes even the animals wiped out, the topic of this thread offers an explanation as to why. That in my opinion is relevant to salvation, the nature of God, his plan for salvation through Jesus His Son and how a person may perceive God.
     
  19. Almost there

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    Yes, it's all relevant. It is just that some subjects are more relevant than others. And the order in which they are placed depends on the person doing the ordering as well as their particular calling.
     
  20. TribulationSigns

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    Ahem...if there is one idea in some Christian circles that has always puzzled me, it is the notion that when Genesis chapter 6 speaks of the sons of God taking wives of the daughters of men, it was somehow referring to angels, heavenly beings, or even aliens mating with human women. It amazes me that not only is such an idea unequivocally accepted by many in the church, but that it is also put forth by some theologians.

    By comparing spiritual things with spiritual things, this is how God reveals to us the truth of the passages in question.

    Genesis 6:1
    • "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the Sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."
    The first question we need to tackle is "who are the sons of God?" Not who does many prominent theologians say that the sons of God were, or who we might suppose that they were, but what do we find out about the phrase when we search and compare scripture with scripture. The only way to authoritatively find the answer to the question, "Who are the sons of God," is to let the word of God itself tell us. Through His authoritative word, I believe that God tells us very clearly both who they are, and why they are called His sons.

    John 1:12
    • "But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the Sons of God, even to them that believeth on His name."
    This is obnly one of many Scriptures that give us Biblical warrant to say the sons of God represent those who take on the name of God, as children or sons through Christ. Indeed, the overwhelming majority of the use of this phrase unquestionably refer to God's Covenanted people. Even those those few passages in which it may be argued as questionable, when studied carefully, certainly may be argued that they may be referring to the family of God also.
    By contrast, comparing scripture with scripture, there is no authoritative use of the phrase "sons of God" anywhere in Scripture that can be said to define Angels. The only way we could even suppose this to refer to anything but "children" of God, is if we listen to the suppositions, assumptions and theories of men (Romans 3:4). All God's covenant people are spoken of as His children or sons, meaning His progeny or family. This is the phrase that God has divinely inspired to identify those specific people that call Him Father and are part of His family.

    Romans 8:14
    • "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are Sons of God."
    The sons of God are defined as those who are led by His Spirit to believe. It is these people who have become family to serve their Father, and who are led by His Spirit as sons.

    1st John 3:1
    • Behold, what manner of Love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the Sons of God:..."
    All God's people are sons of God. Looking throughout the scriptures, we see this truth over and over again. Those who are designated God's people, God assigns the title "sons of God." So there really should be no mystery of the meaning of the phrase in Genesis chapter 6 either, except that some Christians seek to create one for their own purposes. These sons of God in Genesis were the children of God of that day, just as they are the sons of God today. They were those who were God blessed and looked upon Him as their heavenly Father. Later on in history God called the nation Israel His Son, because the whole nation of Israel was an outward representation (a type) of the true Son of God, the perfect Israel of God, Christ our Lord. And all those within it were Covenated sons of God through Him.

    Exodus 4:22
    • "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:"
    Hosea 11:1
    • "When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my Son out of Egypt."
    Matthew 2:15
    • "And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my Son."
    Christ was the true Israel, the root and true Son that the children of Israel looked forward to being delivered by. These are the spiritual truths of the Lord that many in the church do not understand. All scripture is consistent with itself and flows together like a gigantic spiritual picture puzzle, having every piece fit perfectly in place. The believers are sons of God, the children of Israel, and it is only because of the sacrifice of Christ that this is so. He was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth, and His atoning efficacy reaches from Abel, to those sons who are saved today. Without Him, there are no sons, no true belief, no eternal Israel. Without Christ there is only unrighteous flesh.
    The fact is, at any time on this earth, there have been those who call God their Father (sons of God), and the unbelievers as fatherless, pagan or heathen. And these two groups were inherently at enmity, and were commanded not to mix or come together in marriage unions. God has made that perfectly clear. Those who are His people were called those "set apart" for the service of God. That didn't change when the nation of Israel came along, rather it was written down in books as the law. Corporately, the nation were the sons of God, who were not to mingle in marriage with the daughters of men who inhabited the surrounding nations. This was because they were of two separate kingdoms--one of heaven, and one of this earth. One of God, and one of men. Thus the contrasting phrases "sons of God" versus "daughtewrs of men."

    Deuteronomy 14:1-2
    • "Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.
    • For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth."
    God's people were to be a separated people from the other people of the world. The Hebrew words translated "children of the Lord your God" or Children of Jehovah God [ben Yehovah elohiym] are the very same words sons of God [ben elohiym]. It is illustrating that God's people have a covenant family relationship with him above all other people. In other words, they are sons of God, commanded to be a nation that remained special, separated from the heathen nations. This "set apart" principle for God's people has not changed, and is demonstrated for us on the New Testament side of the cross through the Apostle Paul:

    2nd Corinthians 6:17
    • "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing: and I will receive you,
    • And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My Sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
    There are two families in this world. There is the family of God, and then there is the family of the Devil, which we come out from when we are reborn as children of God. The two are to be separate so that the sons of God are not polluted by the ideas, vain imaginations and idolatries of the world. Even from the beginning with Cain and Able, God has always separated his children from the unbelieving seed. Able was a child of God, while Cain lived in unbelief, at enmity with both God and his son Abel. Thus Cain ultimately killed Able, and was in turn sent out, "separated" from the family of God. He was cursed and cast out from among them. God made it clear that He did not want him to remain among His People. The same portrait is painted down through the ages as God told the nation of Israel not to mix with the nations around them. Unfortunately, there still remains some misguided souls (even in our day) who believe this a command of physical or ethnic purity of the nation. But actually, it was for the cause of spiritual purity. It was because Israel was the Old Testament representation of the family or congregation of God, thus they were to remain spiritually separated from the world. They were representatives of the children or sons of God. As such, they were not to be unequally yoked or joined together with those who remained in unbelief. It was the heathen or Gentile nations around them that were in blindness, idolatry and unbelief, and thus God's people were to remain separated from. It was not that God was any respecter of persons(Acts 10:34-35), it was that these were the sons of God who were commanded not to mix with the lawless daughters of men. It was a continuation of the principles recorded in Genesis, that they were "set apart" so that they might not be tempted by their Godlessness, idolatry and wickedness.

    Ezra 9:1
    • "..The priests and the Levites, have not Separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the canaanites, the hittites, the perizites, the Jebusites, the Amonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, the Amorites. For they have taken of their Daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the HOLY SEED have mingled themselves with the people of those lands.."
    Note the error of what the sons of Israel (the Sons of God) had done here? They had done the exact same thing that we read about in Genesis chapter 6. They had desired and gone after the infidel daughters of men who lived in the nations around them. Look at the laguage there, as it shows this was an abomination to God. God says they mingled the Holy seed. Simply put, these Sons of God were not to be yoked together with unbelievers, and that is exactly what they did. They were not be seduced by their beauty to take of their daughters for wives, nor let their sons go after these women who didn't know God. This is exact same principle that the sons of God are to uphold today. Although it seems our churches have chosen to abandon God's laws concerning this precept and do whatever seems right in their own eyes, exactly as those in Israel of old did.

    2nd Corinthians 6:14
    • "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness."
    God's law has not changed throughout time because God is immutable, and neither has man in his wilful disregard for God's decree of keeping the seed holy by not being unequally yoked with unbelievers. The church today bears the fruits of their unlawful deeds. This law of corinthians is the same principle that the covenanted nation of Israel was under, and the same principle that had Cain cast out, and the same principle that God's children of Genesis chapter 6 violated by marrying the daughters of men rather than God. The sons of God were of the light and were not to have this type intimate communion with darkness. When we take on the Lord's name as sons Of God, we are to be a light shinning in darkness. They were not to mix dark with light, because they have no communion together. Either the light will overcome the darkness, or the light will go away and the darkness will rules. The principle is that you can't have them both working together as they are two separate entities.

    Philippians 2:15
    • "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world."
    That is the principle for all who are sons of God, and it was the same principle in Genesis chapter 6. The sons of God were to shine as the light of the world, not mix with the darkness of those who were outside of God's family. They were not to marry the daughters of men, because they were two totally different people with very different ideals, morals, values and fathers. Yet we read that these sons of God saw the beauty of these women, and went after them anyway. As we know, the result of such adulteration of the holy seed is quite devastating. By letting their flesh rule over them in seeing how fair or beautiful the daughters of men were, the sons of God disregarded these principles and took these women to wife. This is exactly what the church is doing today in blessing and yoking together unbelievers with believers. The result in Genesis was that the world was greatly changed because of their unfaithfulness, because that is what happens when you mix believers with unbelievers. The continual or daily light is eventually extinguished so that we have darkness in the house of God. Wickedness abounds because you can't have two rulers in one Temple. This is what the Sons of God did in their unfaithfulness to God.

    Genesis 6:2
    • "that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."
    They took wives of the un-saved daughters of the giants [nephil], the big or renowned people of that time, and they gave birth to children who were piritually divided and became mighty champions or famous. Probably much like what we think of as famous gladiators. An analogy today would probably be man's heroes, like basketball players, or great leaders, or movie stars. In other words, someone who is a hero, famous, a protagonist, someone renowned or a champion. People were looking up to them and all the laws of God were left behind (sound familiar). That's what happens when you have the children of God yoked with unbelievers. The seed is mingled with unbelief and there is a falling away from God because the spouse (being ungodly) doesn't want to follow God's laws.
    So of course (not coincidentally) God says that after this the world became evil continually (again, sound familiar), and because the wickedness of man was great, God destroyed the world with the flood. He saved none alive but Noah and his family. Note "carefully" that the sons of God, by this unrighteous adulteration over the years, had become virtually wiped out. There were no true sons of God left except the 8 souls that God saved in the Ark. Is it any wonder God uses both Noah and Lot as pictures or examples of the end of the world and demonstrates the apostasy or falling away of man that precedes it? It is a sign of how it will be in the world when Christ shall make His second appearing.

    But for studious Christians to think that these sons of God in Genesis, who lusted after the beautiful women of men, were angels; or that the giants [nephil] were super beings, is such a twisted form of eisegesis that reads into the scriptures what is not there. This idea, considering Scripture, is nothing short of ridiculous.

    There are many other things to be considered here as well. Number one, didn't Christ Himself tell us that when we get to heaven, we will be like the angels, who neither marry nor are given in marriage?

    Matthew 22:30
    • For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."
    So how can Christians then simply ignore this, and say these were angels marrying women of this earth in Genesis chapter six? One popular way is to rationalize this away and claim that they're no longer angels. But how then are they called by God, sons of God (which they claim means angels) and define them as His children? It makes no sense at all. They cannot be angels and take women to wife, and yet be cast out angels, who are also sons of God. If they are not angels, what else can they be? If we say they are anything else, where is the Biblical justification for saying that? We certainly can't just guess, assume or blindly speculate. That's not how we interpret scripture. We must use scripture to interpret scripture. That means saying these are exactly what God says that sons of God are--His children, or those who call Him their Father. That may not be the most intriguing, fascinating, captivating, titillating or sensationally interesting interpretation, but it will be the most faithful and biblical interpretation.

    Another point is that Genesis Chapter 4:26, that leads up to this chapter says, "..then began men to call themselves by the name of the Lord." In the literal, "..then a beginning to call after the name of Jehovah." In other words, this is the time when they were called children of the Lord. By calling themselves of Jehovah, they signified that in taking His name, even as a child has their earthly Father's name, they were his children. Perfectly explaining why they were then called, Sons of God.

    Also note exactly "who" God is angry with in Genesis chapter 6, and who God brings this judgment upon. He is angry with/and brings judgment against "men," not fallen angels. Let us use simple logic here. If these were angels, God would be angry with angels for coming down and taking daughters of men to wife, not angry at men for what the Angels had done. Thus once we understand what is happening here, we see that these can only be believers (in the broad sense of the word) or sons of God, who saw the beauty of the daughters of men (unbelievers) and took them as wives. And because of this mingling, their seed or offspring became unrighteous until ultimately this once faithful family became corrupted and wicked. This was a violation of the law of separation of the family of God from the daughters of men. This happened because of the error of the sons of God, which by the time of the flood had dwindled down to just those of Noah's family. And so God brought judgment for their unrighteousness.

    Note another most telling statement. When we read in verse 2 that the sons of God took the daughters of men to wife, what is God's response in the very next verse?

    • "And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he is also flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years."

    Again, Sons of God take daughters of men, and God is angry with men, not with angels and not with the angel's children. He is speaking of flesh and blood human beings. His spirit will not always strive with man. Man is but flesh, and his error was carnal, in the flesh. God is bringing judgment upon man for his weakness of the flesh. The sons of God were sinning according to the flesh, by taking wives of the unsaved simply because they were fair to look upon (beautiful in our vernacular). Unfaithfulness has always been the reason for God's judgment upon the earth. Not because super angels copulated with humans, but because God's people went after the ungodly and it caused them to be wicked continually.

    There are a few other verses that we should briefly touch on that are sometimes used to try and prove these were angels.

    Job 1:6
    • "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them."
    Job 2:1
    • "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord."
    Any Bible that you have that will translate these words as angels is a mis-translation. The words sons of God in these verses are the exact same Hebrew as found throughout scripture for sons, and for God. It is the same as found in Genesis chapter 6. The words are [ben 'elohiym] or [bane el-o-heem] which is literally children or Sons/God. The exact same words in all the verses. It is not the Hebrew word translated "angels," which is [mal'ak] meaning Messenger. Any Bible that translates this angel is making a "commentary" and is not really a translation of the Hebrew. And believe me, there is a difference. I don't mind people making commentaries, but when they find themselves on the pages of scripture masquerading "as Scripture," that is when I draw the line. It is an unrighteous act for anyone to translate [ben 'elohiym] as angels when God inspired the Hebrew "Sons of God." If God had wanted to say angels, He very well could have had the Holy men of old use that Hebrew word He has prescribed and uses for angel throughout scripture. He did not.
    On the other hand, some people have legitimately been confused by the language "they came to present [yatsab] (meaning, to 'station' or position) themselves before the Lord." Some think that this must mean that they went into heaven. That is not the case. We have to keep in mind the times that we are reading about. These were the early years of the world. The language of "presenting themselves before God", is common in Biblical History, and doesn't denote literally appearing in Heaven. It is simply common language denoting coming to a place designated for the presence of God to inquire of Him. Today, we'd go to a church and pray. That would be our coming to inquire of God. In those days, they would have their own designated Holy place, and often God would speak to them directly. We see this clearly for example in Deuteronomy:

    Deuteronomy 31:14-15
    • "...call Joshua, and Present Yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses and Joshua went, and Presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation.
    • and the Lord appeared in the tabernacle in a pillar of a cloud:...."
    God told Moses to present [yatsab] (same word) himself and Joshua before Him in the tabernacle, and "God" appeared there and spoke to them. Please note, they did not appear in Heaven. Comparing scripture with scripture we see this language of presenting oneself before the Lord doesn't denote an appearance in the third heaven. Here they presented themselves before God, but it was in the physical tabernacle on earth. It's the exact same thing as the sons of God presenting themselves. In these early days, God spoke to His servants the Prophets in a special way. And often times that meant an appearance or His presence in a special way. But don't take my word for it, please just compare scripture with scripture.
    1st Samuel 10:19
    • ..Now therefore Present Yourselves before the Lord by your tribes, and by your thousands."
    Present (same Hebrew word) themselves before the Lord, and they'd inquire of God. Did that mean the tribes of Israel went into Heaven to present themselves before the Lord? Certainly not, but this is the language God uses to describe the official, recognized gathering together to inquire of God. Another verse is, Numbers 11:16 where the Lord tells Moses to gather 70 into the tabernacle to STAND (same Hebrew word PRESENT) themselves with Moses, and "GOD" would come down and talk with Him there. You see, this was simply the language used in the old days when the believers (the sons of God) would come to inquire of the Lord. They would present themselves before the Lord to inquire and for instruction. It's really no different from saying, "the sons of God came to present themselves before the lord," and of saying "the believers came to present themselves before the Lord." It's human beings in view here, not angels and not in physical heaven.

    Literally, Job 1:6 says "..and there doth come Satan in their midst." So the sons of God came to present themselves before God, and Satan came in the midst of them. It's no real mystery--not at all unlike the 12 Disciples with Christ in Jerusalem, and Satan indwelling Judas in the midst of them. There we have an example of Judas having a Devil, which means Satan coming in the midst of the sons of God. Where is the mystery? There is none. Satan makes his appearance on earth through men. We can also look at another passage that people sometimes bring up, which is Job chapter 38:

    Job 38:7
    • "When the morning star sang together, and all the Sons of God shouted for Joy."
    The passage in Job 38:7 may be a little more difficult to understand, but the chapter becomes clear in a studious work of comparing scripture with scripture. The entire chapter is speaking in symbolical terms. God talks about where the foundations of the earth are fastened together (or sockets been sunk). The Earth isn't sunk by sockets. It says who laid the corner stone. The earth wasn't laid on corner stones. It says the sea is shut with doors. The sea doesn't have any doors on it. It says the sea bursts forth as a womb. The sea is not a womb. It talks of the clouds as a swaddling band, and bars being set, God talking and commanding the morning, taking hold of the wings or ends of the earth, it being as clothes or a garment, a broken arm, etc., etc., etc. The point I'm making is, all these things symbolize something. It's not a literal broken arm in view here, or literal bars and doors or literal stars bursting forth singing. So why should we take this alone to be literally angels, when it doesn't say angels. Again, it's the same words [ben elohiym], sons of God. This all has a very spiritual significance no doubt, which is beyond the scope of this study. But God is talking about His Creation process and using the spiritual language of creation, stars and sons to signify Christ and His kingdom. For stars don't literally sing, nor the world literally sat on stones. God says these things to paint a spiritual picture puzzle which we must discern by rightly dividing the word. God has always used the stars as tokens for believers, just as He uses the Sun to signify Christ. These significations or symbolic terms started from the very beginning in Genesis. The stars are part of the lights of the world created from the Beginning, and all are symbolic of the light of the lord. Likewise, those in Christ are called by these things. Lamps, candles, stars, etc., because we are reflections or vessels of Christ. The House or Temple of the lord. It's these "Spiritual Things" that so many Theologians don't really comprehend. But this is the House of God, the sons of God, whose foundation was laid in Christ. Consider Chapters like Ezra and compare scripture with scripture knowing that the Lord does nothing by accident.

    Ezra 3:10-12
    • "And when the builders laid the foundation of the temple of the LORD, they set the priests in their apparel with trumpets, and the Levites the sons of Asaph with cymbals, to praise the LORD, after the ordinance of David king of Israel.
    • And they sang together by course in praising and giving thanks unto the LORD; because he is good, for his mercy endureth for ever toward Israel. And all the people shouted with a great shout, when they praised the LORD, because the foundation of the house of the LORD was laid.
    • But many of the priests and Levites and chief of the fathers, who were ancient men, that had seen the first house, when the foundation of this house was laid before their eyes, wept with a loud voice; and many shouted aloud for joy:
    The same portrait/picture of the stars singing and shouting for Joy and the foundation laid, which God's original creation mirrors. Because it's "meant" to show a spiritual truth which has nothing to do with literal stars or angels, but Christ and His House. But as I said, that's beyond the scope of this FAQ, as it is a whole other study in itself.

    Mark 12:25 should make it perfectly clear that angels could not have been marrying daughters of men in Genesis chapter 6. This should settle the whole issue right there, but it won't. Because when some people make up their minds, they just won't be confused with triviality we call the Biblical facts. Nevertheless, this article is for those who have spiritual ears and keep God's word, and know the righteousness of comparing scripture with scripture, spiritual things with spiritual things (1st Corinthians 2:13), to come to the real truth of it.

    One last thing that some people seem to get hung up on is the word translated Giants (KJV) in verse 4 of Genesis chapter 6. I touched on it briefly before. This is the Hebrew word [nephel]. Often they will throw the word Nefeel, Nephel or Nephelims around like it's a name for an alien race or celestial being. The fact is, it's not a name for an extraterrestrial or some being that is foreign to this world. It is a description of a type of people. The root meaning of the word Nephel iis giant, from "FELL'er" or to make fall. By extension, someone "BIG" or a "GIANT" person. Thus, it is correctly translated Giants here. But there is no mystery. And we can prove that very easily by faithfully comparing scripture with scripture. Because The Giants [nephel] are spoken of in Genesis before the Flood, and also again after the flood. Now since we (Bible Believers) know that everyone on earth was destroyed by the flood of Noah's day, and only Noah and His own family survived, and they weren't NEPHEL (if nephel means something alien race) then we know by simple common sense and logic that this "so called" race of Nephel could not have survived. It makes absolutely no sense unless we are unreasonable and refuse to listen to the facts.

    A reasonable man adapts himself to the
    facts of scripture, which He reads.
    An unreasonable man seeks to have the facts
    of scripture adapt to his reasoning"


    -WiseManSay

    Conclusion: Nephel is simply an old word used as descriptive of "Big" People. It could be literally giant in stature, or a giant in position (as in famous) or giant as in a champion. In other words, [nephel] is a word meaning big, not a name of angels or foreign beings. We have a tribe of people in Africa today who are very small or short. There is also a tribe that is very big or tall. When talking about them, we can say they're giants, or they're little. If we were of the old language in naming them, we would say they were [nephel] (Giants). But we don't ascribe them to being "angels" just because their size is unusual. We shouldn't do it with the Giants of scripture either. They're big, they're fellers, they're Giants. But they are not the product of angels mating. The whole idea is preposterous. The word by extension means Giants and nothing more. And that's how the word Nephel is used and translated in the scriptures. As there are giants today, there were some tribes or families of people that were giants in those days. Goliath was one of these, and the sons of Anak also. The word translated Giants just means they were big, or of great stature. It didn't identify an alien or angels. In fact, we can see that clearly as we read the word as it is seen in Numbers chapter 13:

    Numbers 13:33
    • "And there we saw the giants [nephel] the sons of Anak, which come of the giants [gibbowr], and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."
    You see, here we have that word again. Nephel, the sons of Anak (a man). That is again proof that the word nephel is not describing a new race or angels, but is an attribute. Because they were the sons of the Anakims, who Joshua destroyed in Canaan. These could hardly be the same race of nephilims that were "before" the flood, so the whole idea concerning this word is ludicrous. Or are we to believe that angels dropped by again after the flood to mate with Human women once again? Notice that second word translated Giants is the Hebrew word [gibbowr]. It means warriors or strong Champions. And note the fear of these men were because they were--BIG! That is why they were called nephel (Giants). Verse 32 declares plainly that they were "of great stature". So clearly they were afraid of them because they were unusually big people. But it has nothing to do with angels mating with the daughters of men anymore than the tall people in Africa today have anything to do with that. They were simply a tribe or family of big people who would frighten you if you had to battle them. Would you rather to go to battle against an army of people the size of a basketball player, or an army of men standing only about 5 feet 9 inches. The answer is obvious. The natural man delights in creating a mystery where none exists because the truth doesn't seem exotic or sensational enough for himso that they desire something more. But the truth is that these were the giants in the land of that day, and nothing more.

    In closing, the synopsis of Genesis chapter 6 is that the sons of God took the daughters of men to wife. These were the believers who disobeyed God and went after the unsaved daughters because they were women of great beauty. In turn these unholy unions brought forth unsaved seed who corrupted the Lord's covenanted people so that there was nothing but evil in the earth continually. Even as Solomon's wives of the nations corrupted him. God saw what they had done, which brought about this wickedness and sent the flood to wipe it out. As a result, they all perished except for Noah and His family of 7 saved in the Ark.

    The moral is to let that be a lesson to all of us. It is a great truism that beauty is often only skin deep. We must not be unequally yoked with an unbeliever in marriage, for that will cause terrible repercussions down the line. Unfortunately, this is "exactly" what is happening again today. Not only with believers going after and marrying unbelievers literally, but also spiritually as the church is unequally yoking themselves with unbelief and adulterating God's word. They are making all kinds of excuses for these actions, and they just don't realize what darkness this error will bring upon the world. Just as it did when Israel went after the women and men of the heathen nations around her. These turned them to false gods and abominations. Slowly but surely (like a creeping vine or a spreading cancer) it became their destruction. Somehow, this adulteration of God's people by the mingling of seed just doesn't seem very important to the church today. I say in sadness, "we learn from history--that we do not learn from History."

    My earnest Prayer is that some (though few that must be), will by Grace of God begin to learn from History. ..Bible History.
     
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