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Genesis 6 Giants in scripture

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  1. Postvieww

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    Any interest in discussion of Genesis 6 : 1-4 on the subject of giants, and their relationship to events in scripture.
     
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    Genesis 6 (KJV)

    1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

    2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
     
  3. ebedmelech

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    I really try to avoid the discussion. It's a curious verse...and as a babe in Christ in the late 80's I believed it was angels inbreeding with women.

    After really studying it much later I tend to agree it's simply belivers intermarrying with unbelievers.

    Anyway the problem comes in understanding the Hebrew "ben elohiym".
     
  4. Riberra

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    Here a good study backed from Scripture
    Part 1
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of [SIZE=+1]men [/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]re called in Genesis 6, N[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1] e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]-phil´-im, which means fallen ones (from naphal, to fall). What these beings were can be gathered only from Scripture. They were evidently great in size, as well as great in wickedness. They were superhuman, abnormal beings; and their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Jehovah's Word (Genesis 3:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]15[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]).[/SIZE][/FONT] [/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] This was why the Flood was brouhgt "upon the world of the ungodly" ([/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]2[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]Peter 2:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]5[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]) as prophesied by Enoch (Jude [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]14[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]).[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] But we read of the N[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]philim again in Numbers 13:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]33[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] : "there we saw the N[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]philim, the sons of Anak, which come of the N[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]philim". How, it may be asked, could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood ? The answer is contained in Genesis 6:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]4[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1], where we read: "There were N[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]philim in the earth in those days (that is to say, in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became [the] mighty men (Hebrew gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" (literally, men of the name, that is to say, who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness).[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] So that "after that", that is to say, after the Flood, there was a second irruption of these fallen angels, evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan, and were in fact known as "the nations of Canaan". It was for the destruction of these, that the sword of Israel was necessary, as the Flood had been before.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] As to the date of this second irruption, it was evidently soon after it became known that the seed was to come through Abraham; for, when he came out from Haran (Genesis 12:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]6[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]) and entered Canaan, the significant fact is stated: "The Canaanite was then (that is to say, already) in the land." And in Genesis 14:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]5[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] they were already known as "Rephaim" and "Emim", and had established themselves as Ashteroth Karnaim and Shaveh Kiriathaim.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] In chapter 15:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]18-21[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples: "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites" (Genesis 15:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]19-21[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; compare Exodus 3:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]8,17[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 23:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]23[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Deuteronomy 7; 20:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]17[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Joshua 12:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]8[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]).[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] These were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deuteronomy 20:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]17[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Joshua 3:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]10[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]). But Israel failed in this (Joshua 13:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]13[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 15:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]63[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 16:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]10[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 17:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]18[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Judges 1:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]19,20,28,29,30-36[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 2:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]1-5[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 3:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]1-7[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]); and we know not how many got away to other countries to escape the general destruction. If this were recognized it would go far to solve many problems connected with Anthropology.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] As to their other names, they were called Anakim, from one Anak which came of the N[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]philim (Numbers 13:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]23[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]), and R[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]phaim, from Rapha, another notable one among them.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] From Deuteronomy 2:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]10[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1], they were known by some as Emim, and Horim, and Zamzummim (verse [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]20,21[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]) and Avim, etc.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] As R[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]phaim they were well known, and are often mentioned: but, unfortunately, instead of this, their proper name, being preserved, it is variously translated as "dead", "deceased", or "giants". These R[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]phaim are to have no resurrection. This fact is stated in Isaiah 26:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]14[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] (where the proper name is rendered "deceased", and verse [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]19[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1], where it is rendered "the dead").[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] It is rendered "dead" seven times (Job 26:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]5[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Psalm 88:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]10[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Proverbs 2:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]18[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 9:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]18[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 21:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]16[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Isaiah 14:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]8[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 26:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]19[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]).[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] It is rendered "deceased" in Isaiah 26:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]14[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1].[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1]
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  5. Riberra

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    Part 2 Genesis 6 Giants in scripture
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]It is retained as proper name "R[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]phaim" ten times (two being in the margin). Genesis 14:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]5[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 15:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]20[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Joshua 12:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]15[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] (margin). [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]2[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]Samuel 5:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]18,22[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 23:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]13[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]1[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]Chronicles 11:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]15[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 14:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]9[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 20:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]4[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] (margin). Isaiah 17:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]5[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1].[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] In all other places it is rendered "giants" , Genesis 6:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]4[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1], Numbers 23:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]33[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1], where it is N[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]philim; and Job 16:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]14[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1], where it is gibbor (Appendix 14. iv).[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] By reading all these passages the Bible student may know all that can be known about these beings.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] It is certain that the second irruption took place before Genesis 14, for there the R[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]phaim were mixed up with the five nations or peoples, which included Sodom and Gomorrha, and were defeated by the four kings under Chedorlaomer. Their principal locality was evidently "Ashtaroth Karnaim"; while the Emim were in the plain of Kiriathaim (Genesis 14:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]5[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]).[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] Anak was a noted descendant of the N[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]philim; and Rapha was another, giving their names respectively to different clans. Anak's father was Arba, the original builder of Hebron (Genesis 35:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]27[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. Joshau 15:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]13[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 21:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]11[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]); and this Palestine branch of the Anakim was not called Abrahim after him, but Anakim after Anak. They were great, mighty, and tall (Deuteronomy 2:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]10,11,21,22,23[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]; 9:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]2[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]), evidently inspiring the ten spies with great fear (Numbers 12:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]33[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]). Og king of Bashan is described in Deuteronomy 3:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]11[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]).[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] Their strength is seen in "the giant cities of Bashan" to-day; and we know not how far they may have been utilized by Egypt in the construction of buildings, which is still an unsolved problem.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] Arba was rebuilt by the Khabiri or confederates seven years before Zoan was built by Egyptian Pharoahs of the nineteenth dynasty. See note on Numbers 13:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]22[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1].
    If these N[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]philim, and their branch of R[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=-1]e[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]phaim, were associated with Egypt, we have an explanation of the problem which has for ages perplexed all engineers, as to how those huge stones and monuments were brought together. Why not in Egypt as well as in "the giant cities of Bashan" which exist, as such, to this day?[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] Moreover, we have in these mighty men, the "men of renown," the explanation of the origin of the Greek mythology. That mythology was no mere invention of the human brain, but it grew out of the traditions, and memories, and legends of the doings of that mighty race of beings; and was gradually evolved out of the "heroes" of Genesis 6:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]4[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1]. The fact that they were supernatural in their origin formed an easy step to their being regarded as the demi-gods of the Greeks.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][SIZE=+1] Thus the Babylonian "Creation Tablets", the Egyptian "Book of the dead", the Greek mythology, and heathen Cosmogonies, which by some are set on an equality with Scripture, or by others adduced in support of it, are all the corruption and perversion of primitive truths, distorted in proportion as their origin was forgotten, and their memories faded away.

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  6. brian57

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    Genesis 6. The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that.


    Looking back we can see two eruptions of the nephilim both before and after the flood but there is nothing to say that there will or won't be a third. ALSO AFTER THAT doesn't necessarily mean only one eruption.

    There are people out there who believe in a return of the nephilim in the end times , so who knows.
     
  7. Douggg

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    Good point about two eruptions of the nephilim. But I don't think there is going to a return of the nephilim because we don't see any evidence of it right now, and I feel we are very close to formation of the ten king (leader) form of government in the EU.

    Which means there just isn't enough time left for a nephilim population to grow up.
     
  8. Danoh

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    Not that I understand all above in the same manner, but, you're forgetting that Scripture constantly gives witness that when the supernatural is in operation, its great power is not limited by the same time and space constraints as we mere mortals.

    2 Kings 19:
    35. And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

    Luke 4:
    5. And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
    6. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
     
  9. Douggg

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    If the nephilim are the offspring of angels and humans, then there has to be a window which they grow up from babies to adults. Right now I don't see any evidence of giants at any age group.

    I think that we are so close to the arrival of the little horn, there is not a window of 18 years or more available for there to be populate of end times nephilim to get started in time before the little horn arrives.

    If this is 2015 almost - 2015 plus 20 years say for the nephilim population to generate itself as adults, that would put it at 2035 - which imo is near the end of the 7 years at the outmost, considering the fig tree as Jerusalem and 70 years as a generation.
     
  10. Postvieww

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    Thanks to everyone for the response on this subject. So far it seems the majority believe the giants were a product of an unholy union between fallen angels and human women. That is my belief also, after having studied this topic. I believe this fact answers a lot of questions in scripture left untouched by many. For example why did God instruct some of the early warriors to wipe out entire cities, killing every man woman and child and sometimes even the animals, also there may be answers here as to the origin of demons. I do also believe there may be a prophetic significance today.

    Matt. 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

    39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    I’m convinced this passage does not refer just to normal everyday activities, but has a deeper implication tied to this subject. Sure we haven’t seen 13ft giants walking down the street, but that does not in itself rule out the fact that some form of this activity may be taking place today.

    I realize many reject this line of interpretation, but it is my prayer we can have healthy disagreements, and learn here without some of the tensions I‘ve witnessed on other threads. Thanks Riberra for your contribution. God Bless
     
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2014
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    Don't know whats going on with this site but above post is corrupted as well not as I posted it will try to repair whole lines have been deleted????
     
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    Seems to look alright now. Has anyone else had a problem?
     
  13. CryOfALion

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    Yes they were fallen angels. Enoch details even the names of the ring leaders.

    Nephilim, Rephaim, Anakim, and Emim - races of hybrids. The entities God commanded to kill - the entities atheist love to bring up against God - were not all human. They were Rephaim, Emim and Nephilim. This is why God commanded all of them be destroyed.

    The entities used human bones for soup stock, and flayed Hebrews (Micah 3:3.) They taught men magic and arts of war.

    Adam lost the title of Son of God when he sinned, and all of His progeny are thusly sons/daughters of man. Even Christ called Himself a son of man, because he was born of a woman. Seth is a son of man. Angels are sons of God - especially in the cultural sense (entities that come from the heavenlies - therefore from the Most High.)

    King Og was at least 10ft tall, and his bed was ~13ft. Goliath was 9ft tall, and he was a warrior: the tallest man at around 8ft was so frail - bones so brittle that he could barely support himself. Certainly, this man could not be a champion fighter with proportional muscle and skeletal tissue to support his feats. But, hybrids can.

    This is extremely deep - and it goes back to "legends" of Lemuria, Atlantis, Phoenicia, Sumer*, Egypt, Babylon, and so on. Those "gods" were real, and it should be curious why the Most High says to have no other gods before Him - not that there are no other "gods."

    This also gives the distinction between demons and fallen - something I feel the Church muddles together. They are not the same; a demon is a halfling/hybrid that has lost its physical body, but (because their fathers were angels) retain spirit - forced to wander the earth longing to fill a vessel. This is why the Legion was content with going into swine instead of hell/chains like their fathers - they just want a vessel. The fallen are locked in chains.

    There is so much "lore," as well as architecture and masonry that point to to entities that are not completely human.
     
  14. CryOfALion

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    One more thing: no doubt the angels had insight on God's next big move for the universe: the creation of us as His family, and the salvation plan. How would you feel if you were replaced with a 2.0 version of you - we get to experience physical life, with physical bodies as spiritual entities - with an intimate connection with the Creator.

    From that, a slew of emotions and insecurities crept in to the angels; all 1/3 of them needed was a ringleader to initiate something. Out of rebellion, they sought to make their own bloodline of spiritual entities in physical existence. Moreover, it was to pollute the bloodline of Christ so that He would never be the Savior He was supposed to be. "Then, surely God will see His humans aren't so special, and He will take us back, and exalt us as what we once were."

    It is pretty scary stuff when you realize the lengths these entities went through to destroy God's plan for us. They are still trying. These entities are serious business, nothing to dismiss or ignore.
     
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    Well, when you find a leader who will promise to exterminate the wicked mutant DNA demon spawn people, you let me know, so I can start running far, far away.
     
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    Gen. 6: 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that.

    References to giants after the flood.


    Gen. 14:5 And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the
    Zuzims in Ham, and the Emins in Shaveh Kiriathaim,

    Gen.15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
    Numbers 13: 22 And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, were. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)

    Numbers 13: 28 Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there.

    Numbers 13: 32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.

    33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight
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    Deut. 1:28 Deut. 1:28 Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.

    Deut. 2: 10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;

    11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites called them Emims.

    Deut. 2: 20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;

    21 A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the Lord destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:

    Deut. 3: 11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

    Deut. 3: 13 And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.

    Deut. 9: 2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!

    Joshua 11: 21 And at that time came Joshua, and cut off the Anakims from the mountains, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, and from all the mountains of Judah, and from all the mountains of Israel: Joshua destroyed them utterly with their cities.

    22 There was none of the Anakims left in the land of the children of Israel: only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod, there remained.

    Joshua 12:4 And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,

    Joshua 13:12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.

    Joshua 14: 12 Now therefore give me this mountain, whereof the Lord spake in that day; for thou heardest in that day how the Anakims were there, and that the cities were great and fenced: if so be the Lord will be with me, then I shall be able to drive them out, as the Lord said.

    Joshua 14: 15 And the name of Hebron before was Kirjatharba; which Arba was a great man among the Anakims. And the land had rest from war.

    Joshua 15: 8 And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom
    westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:

    Joshua 15:13 And unto Caleb the son of Jephunneh he gave a part among the children of Judah, according to the commandment of the Lord to Joshua, even the city of Arba the father of Anak, which city is Hebron.

    14 And Caleb drove thence the three sons of Anak, Sheshai, and Ahiman, and Talmai, the children of Anak.

    Joshua 17: 15 And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.

    Joshua 18:16 And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel,

    1 Samuel 17: 4 And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.

    2 Samuel 5:18 The Philistines also came and spread themselves in the valley of Rephaim.

    2 Samuel 5:22 And the Philistines came up yet again, and spread themselves in the valley of Rephaim.

    2 Samuel 21:16 And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.

    2 Samuel 21: 18 And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.

    19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

    20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

    2 Samuel 21: 22 These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.

    1 Chronicles 20: 4 And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.

    5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam.

    6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot and he also was the son of the giant.

    7 But when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea David's brother
    slew him.

    8 These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.

    Amos 2:9 Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath.
     
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    Great post......I enjoyed reading it.
     
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    Believers and unbelievers don't produce giants
     
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    Appendixes To The Companion Bible

    The N[FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]ephilim, or "Giants"
    of Genesis 6, etc.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]This Is Appendix 25 From The Companion Bible.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman] The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of Adam (see notes on Genesis 6, and Appendix 23 are called in Genesis 6, N[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman] e[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]-phil´-im, which means fallen ones (from naphal, to fall). What these beings were can be gathered only from Scripture. They were evidently great in size, as well as great in wickedness. They were superhuman, abnormal beings; and their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Jehovah's Word (Genesis 3:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]15[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]).[/FONT] [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman] This was why the Flood was brouhgt "upon the world of the ungodly" ([/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]2[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]Peter 2:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]5[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]) as prophesied by Enoch (Jude [/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]14[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]).[/FONT]

    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman] But we read of the N[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]e[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]philim again in Numbers 13:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]33[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman] : "there we saw the N[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]e[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]philim, the sons of Anak, which come of the N[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]e[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]philim". How, it may be asked, could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood ? The answer is contained in Genesis 6:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]4[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman], where we read: [/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman][/FONT]
    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]"There were N[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]e[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]philim in the earth in those days (that is to say, in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became [the] mighty men (Hebrew gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" (literally, men of the name, that is to say, who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness).[/FONT]

    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman] So that "after that", that is to say, after the Flood, there was a second irruption of these fallen angels, evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan, and were in fact known as "the nations of Canaan". It was for the destruction of these, that the sword of Israel was necessary, as the Flood had been before.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman] As to the date of this second irruption, it was evidently soon after it became known that the seed was to come through Abraham; for, when he came out from Haran (Genesis 12:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]6[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]) and entered Canaan, the significant fact is stated: "The Canaanite was then (that is to say, already) in the land." And in Genesis 14:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]5[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman] they were already known as "Rephaim" and "Emim", and had established themselves as Ashteroth Karnaim and Shaveh Kiriathaim.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman] In chapter 15:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]18-21[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman] they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples: "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites" (Genesis 15:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]19-21[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]; compare Exodus 3:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]8,17[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]; 23:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]23[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]. Deuteronomy 7; 20:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]17[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]. Joshua 12:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]8[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]).[/FONT]

    [FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman] These were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deuteronomy 20:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]17[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]. Joshua 3:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]10[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]). But Israel failed in this (Joshua 13:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]13[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]; 15:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]63[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]; 16:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]10[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]; 17:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]18[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]. Judges 1:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]19,20,28,29,30-36[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]; 2:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]1-5[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]; 3:[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]1-7[/FONT][FONT=Aldine,Kuenst,Clarendon,Times New Roman]); and we know not how many got away to other countries to escape the general destruction. If this were recognized it would go far to solve many problems connected with Anthropology.[/FONT]


    More on this at the below link

    http://www.biblestudysite.com/25.htm
     
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