Genesis 6 Giants in scripture

[seventysevens]

Nope. The sons of God weren't angels, and the Bible doesn't say any of that .

Then you need to buy a real bible that has all of the scripture 'cause it is in the Holy Bible, you can get a free online bible as well - then you'll have no excuse
Or perhaps you need some new reading glasses
You only accept scripture that fits your preference ,in your private doctrine

14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.

1 And the day was, when the sons of God came
To present themselves before Jehovah :
And Satan came in also among them
To present himself before Jehovah.
2 And Jehovah said unto Satan : " From whence comest thou ?"
And Satan answered Jehovah, and said :
" From running to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
3 And Jehovah said unto Satan :

This is a conversation God is having with the angels(sons of God) as satan is involved in this conversation -then it begins to be discussed of Job being a faithful man that God holds in high esteem telling satan that he may test Job's faith

Yes the conversation God is having with the sons of god and satan -they are all angels

 

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Of course you will deny it as it shows you are incorrect , you not willing to acknowledge it as per usual

Of course, I will deny it, because you are quoting from an extra-biblical book called "The Book of Enoch" which is NOT part of the canon of the Scripture.

And no, there is no BIBLICAL proof of angels ever having sex relationship with women on earth. That is a man-made interpretation based on how they read into "Sons of God." Move on, obviously, you are not a BIBLE student, to begin with.

 

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Yes the conversation God is having with the sons of god and satan -they are all angels

Read my post again that earned me a winner status which refuted your position. You got wrong the idea of Satan coming into Holy Heaven and stand before God among the angels. That is not what Genesis 6 actually talked about.

Post #100

 

[Postvieww]

Try me.

Luke 3
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Adam, a direct creation by the hand of God and is the only one called a “son of God” in this passage.

We should have no disagreement as to why Jesus was called the “Son of God”. The phrase “son of God “ was not used in the OT to refer to those who served God. Those who served God in the OT were not a “new creation in Christ” with the Spirit within. It is clear in the NT born again believers are referred to as “sons of God”, OT believers were not identified by that phrase. Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job was not present when God created the earth, angels were. There is no relationship between the phrase “sons of God” used in the OT and the NT.

 

[Postvieww]

Read my post again that earned me a winner status

The “winner” award you received was only the opinion of one person who agreed with your post.

 

[Postvieww]

Read my post again that earned me a winner status which refuted your position. You got wrong the idea of Satan coming into Holy Heaven and stand before God among the angels. That is not what Genesis 6 actually talked about.

Post #100

How could Satan be cast out of “Holy Heaven “ if he were never there?

 

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Prevents? So are you saying that there is a Scripture that declared that fallen angels could have sexual activity? Show me the Scripture.

You ask for a scripture that stated angels could have sex so I ask you for one that states fallen angels cannot. You have no scripture that addresses the abilities of fallen angels.

 

[Postvieww]

Prevents? So are you saying that there is a Scripture that declared that fallen angels could have sexual activity? Show me the Scripture.

Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

 

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Revelation 12:10

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. This passage tells tells us Satan accuses the brethren before God. The relevant question here is where does that take place? It is my contention that “before our God “ indicates heaven. We find the same type language in Job 1:6 “before the Lord”. Now our question is where does Job 1:6 take place? Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. We already know Satan has access to heaven because of Revelation 12:20. It would seem logical to me to conclude Job 1:6 takes place in heaven before the Lord.

7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. The implication this took place in heaven is in the above text. The Lord ask Satan where he came from. His answer from the earth supports this conclusion.

8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

There is nothing anywhere in this passage to indicate this meeting took place anywhere but in heaven before the Lord. This being the case how could normal human beings be involved in this meeting?

 

[Postvieww]

You are incorrect. The sons of God in Old Covenant and New Covenant were still talking about the one human congregation of Israel starting with the Jews and then the Gentiles.

We are discussing the exact phrase “sons of God “ in the OT and their context, not every verse you can find that uses the word father or children. All of the phrases “sons of God “ in the OT refers to angels in context not human men who serve God.

 

[Postvieww]

Actually, I am saying that you lack sound exegesis concerning sons of God in old and New Testament. Nowhere in Scripture that declares that the angels AND humans can be both sons of God but God's messengers on earth.

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Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, Human men and women for sure.

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Why change to the phrase “sons of God” all men did not serve God? Men who served God and those who did not chose wives. The context of this entire passage focuses primarily on the wickedness on the earth not those that serve God. It makes no sense contextually to insert the few who served God unto this passage about the wickedness of the earth.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. The union of Godly men and wicked women does not produce giants.

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. How does this verse support the phrase “sons of God “ referring to those that serve God? Godly men were apparently as rare as hens teeth at this time. Just curious, what Bible College did you attend?

 

[seventysevens]

You are incorrect. The sons of God in Old Covenant and New Covenant were still talking about the one human congregation of Israel starting with the Jews and then the Gentiles.

The first question we need to tackle is "who are the sons of God?"

Yes the sons of God Are angels , you insist to push your private interpretation onto Gods Word as if you wrote it
Clean the cobwebs out of your carnal thinking and wake up to the facts.
Job2
1 And the day was, when the sons of God came
To present themselves before Jehovah :
And Satan came in also among them
To present himself before Jehovah.
2 And Jehovah said unto Satan : " From whence comest thou ?"
And Satan answered Jehovah, and said :
" From running to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
3 And Jehovah said unto Satan :

Notice how many bible translations describe the sons of God to be Angels

(NIV)One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.

(NIVUK)One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.

(NIRV)One day angels came to the Lord. Satan also came with them

(NLT)One day the members of the heavenly court came to present themselves before the Lord, and the Accuser, Satan, came with them.

(NRSV)One day the heavenly beings came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

(NRSVA)One day the heavenly beings came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
(NRSVACE)One day the heavenly beings came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
(NRSVCE)One day the heavenly beings came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

(OJB)Now there was a yom when the Bnei HaElohim came to present themselves before Hashem, and Hasatan came also among them.

(ICB)One day the angels came to show themselves before the Lord. Satan also came with them.
(AMP)Now there was a day when the sons of God (angels) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan (adversary, accuser) also came among them.

(AMPC)Now there was a day when the sons (the angels) of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan (the adversary and accuser) also came among them.
(CEB)One day the divine beings came to present themselves before the Lord, and the Adversary also came among them.
(CEV)One day, when the angels had gathered around the Lord, and Satan was there with them,
(ERV)Then the day came for the angels to meet with the Lord. Even Satan was there with them.
(EXB)One day the ·angels [L sons of God] came to ·show themselves [stand] before the Lord, and ·Satan [L the Satan; C means “the Accuser” or “the Adversary”; either the Devil or a member of God’s heavenly court] was with them.

(GNT)When the day came for the heavenly beings to appear before the Lord, Satan was there among them.
(ICB)One day the angels came to show themselves before the Lord. Satan also came with them.
(ISV)One day, divine beings presented themselves to the Lord, and Satan accompanied them.
(TLB)One day as the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, Satan, the Accuser, came with them
(MSG)One day when the angels came to report to God, Satan, who was the Designated Accuser, came along with them. God singled out Satan and said, “What have you been up to?” Satan answered God, “Going here and there, checking things out on earth.”
(NCV)One day the angels came to show themselves before the Lord, and Satan was with them.

Notice Almighty God is speaking directly to satan asking where'd you come from -in the presence of the "sons of God"

Of course, I will deny it, because you are quoting from an extra-biblical book called "The Book of Enoch" which is NOT part of the canon of the Scripture.
And no, there is no BIBLICAL proof of angels ever having sex relationship with women on earth. That is a man-made interpretation based on how they read into "Sons of God." Move on, obviously, you are not a BIBLE student, to begin with.

Obviously it is You are not a BIBLE student to begin with , you Force you private interpretation on scripture and people when you are so wrong it is astonishing

For years I used to think that the canon was not accurate and just accepted it as it taught that way , when I decided to study and find out why it became evident that it is just men who decide what they feel is needed to focus on what they want to teach - most similarly as various denominations choose to interpret scripture in different ways which is why various denominations exist - they choose to believe differently on various topics
Book of Enoch is part of liturgical canon of Ethiopian and Eritrean Churches within Oriental Orthodox communion. The reason for this inclusion is because this book is included by Jews in the early first century as confirmed in Dead Sea Scrolls.Assyrian Church of the East for example use only 22 New Testament books in their New Testament liturgical canon. Eastern Orthodox to this day doesn't include Revelation in their liturgical canon, because they don't use it in liturgy. Each churches have their own liturgical canon.
A simple analogy to understand could be: having a drawer in the kitchen for tools having screwdriver , wrenches , forks, spoons, knives, hammer ,drill and you choose to separate them into two drawers one containing tools utensils used for food , and a drawer of tools used for home repair . Neither is invalid they just have a different use.

More often a canon is used for the teaching of salvation and various churches decide for themselves that which they shall include in their canon . Historians that have written about the historical events of the ancient times are not in the canon but are often used to help understand biblical topics and events of Jesus and the apostles . It is useful and valid information ,
Enoch being is some versions of the canon is recognition of validity , but such book is not necessary to learn of the salvation of Christ Jesus which is what the Protestant canon is more focused on so it was not included .

Fact is that Enoch supports and corroborates the canon scriptures that prove the "sons of God" are actually angels , but in your carnal way of thinking you insist on a false interpreted meaning of this term and then you insist you are right and anyone that is not in agreement is wrong.,

 

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Luke 3
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Adam, a direct creation by the hand of God and is the only one called a “son of God” in this passage.

We should have no disagreement as to why Jesus was called the “Son of God”. The phrase “son of God “ was not used in the OT to refer to those who served God. Those who served God in the OT were not a “new creation in Christ” with the Spirit within. It is clear in the NT born again believers are referred to as “sons of God”, OT believers were not identified by that phrase. Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job was not present when God created the earth, angels were. There is no relationship between the phrase “sons of God” used in the OT and the NT.

Sigh. You have no clues.

There are two generations on earth. One is of Dragon called the generation of evil. One is of Woman, through Adam, Abel, Seth, etc. are a chosen generation. Not all Men on earth are considered Sons of God, but only found in the CHOSEN generation where they are called the sons of God. Some of them are going after daughter of men (women from the generation of evil) and marry them. God did NOT talk about angel or celestial being in heaven that was having a lust after human women on earth.

 

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Yes the sons of God Are angels , you insist to push your private interpretation onto Gods Word as if you wrote it
Clean the cobwebs out of your carnal thinking and wake up to the facts.
Job2
1 And the day was, when the sons of God came
To present themselves before Jehovah :
And Satan came in also among them
To present himself before Jehovah.
2 And Jehovah said unto Satan : " From whence comest thou ?"
And Satan answered Jehovah, and said :
" From running to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
3 And Jehovah said unto Satan :

Look, God would never allow Satan in his sinful nature to appear before God in Holy Heaven! And you got wrong idea thinking Satan and God were having to discuss IN literal heaven (eg. third heaven). It is KINGDOM of HEAVEN which is found on earth through the congregation of Israel, in this case, the old testament congregation where messengers (angels) were the Jewish believers who present himself before God through sacrifice and offerings! Satan happened to be among them in the congregation of Israel where he has accused brethern all day long!

That is until Christ cast Satan OUT of old testament congregation as it fell the moment Christ died. And bound him for a thousand year so that the new testament congregation could be built! That is until after the fulness of Gentiles be coming in and be sealed (Revelation 7:1-4), Satan will come out of bottomless pit and deceive those in the New Testament congregation just like He did with old testament congregation! The heaven is the kingdom of God which the congregation of Israel, whether Old Testament or New Testament, represented.

The idea that the conversation between God and Satan in third heaven while angels mind their business is absurd.

Notice how many bible translations describe the sons of God to be Angels

(NIV)One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.

(NIVUK)One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.

(NIRV)One day angels came to the Lord. Satan also came with them

(NLT)One day the members of the heavenly court came to present themselves before the Lord, and the Accuser, Satan, came with them.

(NRSV)One day the heavenly beings came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

(NRSVA)One day the heavenly beings came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
(NRSVACE)One day the heavenly beings came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
(NRSVCE)One day the heavenly beings came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

(OJB)Now there was a yom when the Bnei HaElohim came to present themselves before Hashem, and Hasatan came also among them.

(ICB)One day the angels came to show themselves before the Lord. Satan also came with them.
(AMP)Now there was a day when the sons of God (angels) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan (adversary, accuser) also came among them.

(AMPC)Now there was a day when the sons (the angels) of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan (the adversary and accuser) also came among them.
(CEB)One day the divine beings came to present themselves before the Lord, and the Adversary also came among them.
(CEV)One day, when the angels had gathered around the Lord, and Satan was there with them,
(ERV)Then the day came for the angels to meet with the Lord. Even Satan was there with them.
(EXB)One day the ·angels [L sons of God] came to ·show themselves [stand] before the Lord, and ·Satan [L the Satan; C means “the Accuser” or “the Adversary”; either the Devil or a member of God’s heavenly court] was with them.

This is what happen when you are dealing with newer translations which is opoinion of the transalations. Angels simply mean messengers. Messengers could be Christ, Satan, or people of the congregation and they are not neccessarily angels!

(GNT)When the day came for the heavenly beings to appear before the Lord, Satan was there among them.
(ICB)One day the angels came to show themselves before the Lord. Satan also came with them.
(ISV)One day, divine beings presented themselves to the Lord, and Satan accompanied them.
(TLB)One day as the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, Satan, the Accuser, came with them
(MSG)One day when the angels came to report to God, Satan, who was the Designated Accuser, came along with them. God singled out Satan and said, “What have you been up to?” Satan answered God, “Going here and there, checking things out on earth.”
(NCV)One day the angels came to show themselves before the Lord, and Satan was with them.

Notice Almighty God is speaking directly to satan asking where'd you come from -in the presence of the "sons of God"

For years I used to think that the canon was not accurate and just accepted it as it taught that way , when I decided to study and find out why it became evident that it is just men who decide what they feel is needed to focus on what they want to teach - most similarly as various denominations choose to interpret scripture in different ways which is why various denominations exist - they choose to believe differently on various topics
Book of Enoch is part of liturgical canon of Ethiopian and Eritrean Churches within Oriental Orthodox communion. The reason for this inclusion is because this book is included by Jews in the early first century as confirmed in Dead Sea Scrolls.Assyrian Church of the East for example use only 22 New Testament books in their New Testament liturgical canon. Eastern Orthodox to this day doesn't include Revelation in their liturgical canon, because they don't use it in liturgy. Each churches have their own liturgical canon.
A simple analogy to understand could be: having a drawer in the kitchen for tools having screwdriver , wrenches , forks, spoons, knives, hammer ,drill and you choose to separate them into two drawers one containing tools utensils used for food , and a drawer of tools used for home repair . Neither is invalid they just have a different use.

More often a canon is used for the teaching of salvation and various churches decide for themselves that which they shall include in their canon . Historians that have written about the historical events of the ancient times are not in the canon but are often used to help understand biblical topics and events of Jesus and the apostles . It is useful and valid information ,
Enoch being is some versions of the canon is recognition of validity , but such book is not necessary to learn of the salvation of Christ Jesus which is what the Protestant canon is more focused on so it was not included .

Fact is that Enoch supports and corroborates the canon scriptures that prove the "sons of God" are actually angels , but in your carnal way of thinking you insist on a false interpreted meaning of this term and then you insist you are right and anyone that is not in agreement is wrong.,

Ha. if you must use the extra-biblical books instead of Scripture being its own authority, that is your problem. You will not be closer to the Truth like this.

I am going out of town for few days, I will not response much.

See ya.

 

[seventysevens]

Look, God would never allow Satan in his sinful nature to appear before God in Holy Heaven! And you got wrong idea thinking Satan and God were having to discuss IN literal heaven (eg. third heaven).

Your level of audacious inability to properly understand the most basic fundamental entry level precepts of scripture is nothing short of complete failure to understand the most basic You profess how elevated your understanding is why can't you understand that satan was created as Lucifer - Thee Most powerful . Most Beautiful , Most intelligent Most high ranking angel that God ever created ?

It is a direct result of lucifer speaking in like manner that you choose to do - as if You are the source to determine all matters of validity - It is basic entry level teaching that proves your error , satan was removed from his high position because of his pride , you have no clue in understanding why it is satan and no other angel that is in control of all other demons/fallen angels , -it is why satan is called the father of lies and deception -it is why satan is the power behind the great Delusion that God will send -satan is the evil ruler - satan got all his power from God himself as God is who created lucifer - this is beyond your level of understanding =you have No understanding of this at all None.None whatsoever

Job2
1 And the day was, when the sons of God came
To present themselves before Jehovah :
And Satan came in also among them
To present himself before Jehovah.
2 And Jehovah said unto Satan : " From whence comest thou ?"
And Satan answered Jehovah, and said :
" From running to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
3 And Jehovah said unto Satan :

Notice Almighty God is speaking directly to satan asking where'd you come from -in the presence of the "sons of God"

You will remain in the dark until you can begin to understand this basic fundamental Fact

 

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Your level of audacious inability to properly understand the most basic fundamental entry level precepts of scripture is nothing short of complete failure to understand the most basic You profess how elevated your understanding is why can't you understand that satan was created as Lucifer - Thee Most powerful . Most Beautiful , Most intelligent Most high ranking angel that God ever created ?

You have a misconception about Lucifer as if Satan was a good angel in the first place or have access to God, face to face.

Anyway....
The meaning of [heylel] is shinning. It is from the root Hebrew word [halal], literally to be clear, and by extension that which is transparent or has a shine. I do not believe that it is really as complicated as many people would make it out to be. A near literal reading of this sentence would be:

"How art thou fallen from heaven shinning son of the morning! Thou art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

It's an spiritual allegory of sorts, the portent of which is to illustrate the Satanic falling away of those who have rule over God's people and did corrupt the nations, prefigured as Babylon, and their king as Satan. They are symbolized even as stars and their king as Satan that isfalling from his place in heaven.

Isaiah 14:13

• "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:"

It is man, ruled by Satan, as he sits to rule in the congregation. There really is no contradiction here or confusion in him being called a "Shinning son of the Morning" fallen from heaven. He is not pictured as the Morning Star, Christ. He is pictured or prefigured as the son of the Morning Star. In other words, a son of God in the external sense. And if we search through scripture carefully we will learn that all "professing Christians" are spoken of symbolically or allegorically as being stars in heaven. Daniel and Revelation are some clear examples. So the only problem with this language of Isaiah is that which some people choose to create for themselves. The Lord speaks through scripture in parables, allegories, figures, and with symbolism. When we profess Christ we are called sons of God because He is the Son of God. When we profess Christ we are called Messengers because Christ is the Messenger. When we profess Christ we are called Israel because Christ is the Israel of God. When we profess Christ we are called stars because Christ is the Star. When we profess Christ we are called the light of the world because Christ is the Light of the world. There is no great mystery here. God is prefiguring a falling away. And it's no mystery that the language sounds a lot like that found in 2nd Thessalonians Chapter 2 and in Revelation Chapter 18 of the fall of Babylon (The Church).

Isaiah 14:12-15

• "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
• For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
• I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
• Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit[/i]."

i.e., the shinning star falling from heaven because he wanted to be like God is symbolism for those professing Christ, those in the Church that is spiritually babylon, who have fallen away (Apostasy) and who ruled in God's house "as if" they were God. They forsook His word and counciled according to what seemed right in their own eyes. They corrupted God's word with their own definitions and explanations. As such, they are ruled of Satan and are as stars falling from heaven to the earth. They made themselves to be as God. Even as Israel did, and even as many are doing today. They are the sons of the morning, the stars falling from heaven. God hath given judgement to His elect.

I am Bible Student for a Long long long time. Deal with it. Anyway, I am about to fly. So Good bye!

 

[Postvieww]

Sigh. You have no clues.

There are two generations on earth. One is of Dragon called the generation of evil. One is of Woman, through Adam, Abel, Seth, etc. are a chosen generation. Not all Men on earth are considered Sons of God, but only found in the CHOSEN generation where they are called the sons of God. Some of them are going after daughter of men (women from the generation of evil) and marry them. God did NOT talk about angel or celestial being in heaven that was having a lust after human women on earth.

My brother your judgment that I have no clue is way above your pay grade. If you believe Satan is currently bound for 1000 years it is no wonder we cannot agree on this. Satan will be bound in the future after the coming of Christ but that is another topic. Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Satan has already lost his original position in God’s heavenly court but he still accuses the brethren day and night (also see Job) and will be cast down from all access to the heavenlies in the future tribulation period. We disagree but is there not just a hint of arrogance in your approach here? You have no idea how much time and study I and others have put into this topic. Many good men of God disagree with your conclusions. This is a debat forum where each of us can make our case. You don’t have to believe what I say about it but you have no cause to sigh about it. I agree God is not talking about angels of heaven lusting after women again I repeat we are talking about fallen angels who left their first estate

 

[seventysevens]

I am Bible Student for a Long long long time.

So were the Pharisee's , if you don't want to believe the facts , that is up to you . you simply pick and choose what you want to be true and call it truth , but if you really study you'll find that it all boils down to the fact that
satan is lucifer and was removed from his high place in Heaven because of sin , and so was Adam removed for same reason - but man is redeemable and angels are not - read the bible - it's in there

 

[Postvieww]

Look, God would never allow Satan in his sinful nature to appear before God in Holy Heaven!

Chapter and verse please.

 

[Denadii]

No, the context shows that The morning stars and the sons of God are all the people of God's congregation! They are those who were chosen in Christ FROM THE BEGINNING and who sang together and shout for joy when God laid the cornerstone (Jesus Christ) of the church.

Who are the sons of God?

Christ is THE Son of God and His Chosen children are also the sons of God. All those who are sons of the father are often times called the sons of God (Romans 8:14, 9:26, Galatians 3:26, etc.)

Who are the Morning Stars?

Eph 1:4
According as he hath chosen US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Also, we should know that Christ is the Bright and Morning Star and His Saints who overcome IN CHRIST are the morning stars.

Rev 2:26-29
[26] And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
[27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
[28] And I will give him the morning star.
[29] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

In the beginning the angels were the created sons of God....Now, in the New Covenant, we, born again mankind are the adopted sons of God...It would be very difficult for you to sing for joy in he beginning, when you did not even exist at the time...