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Genesis 6 Giants in scripture

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Postvieww, Dec 21, 2014.

  1. n2thelight

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    Hello Neph

    I think they will be back,not sure if they will be the same ones but they shall return....

    I Corinthians 11:10 "For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

    It is for this reason that the woman ought to have the power, which is the authority of that God gives to each of us, when we are in Christ. This again is written to the end generation, and our power and authority come from the Word of God. That knowledge and wisdom that is in the Word of God is where our power comes from, and we must have that wisdom in our mind or we will not stand in the day of the deception. This goes way back to Genesis 6, and it pertains to what the angels did when they came to earth. It was for this reason that the flood of Noah came to be, for Satan could not destroy the Seed, so he tried to destroy the coming of Christ through Eve's daughters.

    I don't feel it will be sexual in nature as then,rather more so deception

    II Corinthians 11:14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

    II Corinthians 11:15 "Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

    They come with satan when he gets kicked out of Heaven,they are also the 7000 that shall die instantly at Chrsi return

    Revelation 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

     
  2. Postvieww

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    I just want to address a couple of points in your post n2thelight and CryOfALion covered most of it thoroughly. “then God himself allowed it and coded it” I believe that God allowed it only in the fact that he did not prevent it from happening. Did God allow the holocaust? He did not sanction or cause it to happen but he does not intervene in or prevent many acts of evil. We are still in a fallen world and until He comes and restores this creation many unholy and evil events will continue to take place.
    We agree that evil/trials are allowed by God at select times, but only because He will use it for the greater good later. The point I was driving at was mainly God has already cast Angels out into darkness because they sinned in heaven. Looking at the story of Job or the time Peter was warned that satan wanted him we can see that the fallen were restricted with what they could do and how. For the allowance of angels to procreate and God to allow the conception it raises the conundrum of why, God has already deemed them unworthy of heavenly things and has reserved/created Hell for them- matt 25:41. Why allow them the privileges and benefits of marriage? Why are these supposed "angels" whom already rebelled once following the commandment of marriage, and being blessed with offspring.

    Thanks for your ideas on the subject. Just a few ideas of my own on what you’ve said. I’m convinced not all fallen angels were cast “into darkness”. Based on what we read in Jude I believe it was the angels who engaged in this act with women who were delivered “into chains of darkness” 2 Peter 2:4.

    Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    As further evidence not all fallen angels are in “chains of darkness” look to the book of Daniel.

    Daniel 10: 12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.
    13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

    An angel sent to respond to Daniel was “withstood” for 21 days and needed the help of Michael to complete his mission. Michael the archangel(Jude 1:9) is called a chief prince in this passage and the “prince of the kingdom of Persia” in my opinion can be none other than a fallen angel. I believe fallen angels have regions of the earth they look after for their master satan.



    can't disagree against him attempting to corrupt the entire world and the failed attempt of allowing a savior/redeemer into it.


    If one were to only look in the Old Testament and rely on the Old Testament usage/understanding you would have a great point. While it is accurate to take notice of how a word or phrase is used here and then their in scripture to G able to best understand passages, their are times when it's not always applicable and equally interchangeable.

    While our Lord is THE SON of GOD, because of the preconceived notion from that era of Jews (and prior) that presumed comment was thought blasphemy because only Angels or God could get understood through that title. However as Jesus clarified - 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

    Jesus iterated that it was in the law and scripture that God himself had declared men gods and them children of the Most High- sons(children) of God(Most High)
    the John 10 quote coming from psalms 82:6.

    In that same psalm we see that God himself is to judge among the gods, is that only fallen angels or men? We see that a fallen prince is also mentioned but not called a son of god- yet we should agree this prince in question is lucifer who was an angel at one time, and at one time a son of God.

    We are also told that adam himself was a son of God luke 3:38. If adam were considered a son of God and men were told in the Old Testament psalm they were sons of God- how is it ONLY angels are perceived to G the only ones able to hold that title?

    John 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God

    Those verses tend to show that our spirit is what helps distinguish us being sons of God or sons of man. If it's the spirit that makes that defining marker then one could ponder that back in abrahams days of meeting Melchizedek, their were men whom were with the spirit of God making them sons of God. An if their were others who worked in that type of "priesthood" like Melchizedek (obviously falling short) then they could have loosly carried that title and been the reference to the gen 6 after those days reference, if I recall methuselah was thought to also G part of a "special priesthood" though I can't remember exactly where I remember reading that.

    You make some good points on “the sons of God”. Let me just make a few points. I believe in the context of Gen. 6, it can be none other than fallen angels. Adam and angels both fallen and not were created by the hand of God. I believe this context is what makes them the sons of God. True other references use the phrase “sons of God” for natural men, but I believe if you try to apply those cases to Gen 6, you back yourself into a corner that may be hard to get out of. You have the problem of explaining how natural men chose wives of natural women and produced a race of giants referred to numerous times in scripture. Then you have the problem of explaining why a merciful God would himself destroy and by the hands of his people destroy whole cities of them, men women and children. Some on this thread have proposed these were “simply believers intermarrying with unbelievers”
    I believe God used the wording in Gen 6 for the express purpose that we would understand this was not a normal everyday event. Thus the words “ That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.” If what was being described here was a routine everyday occurrence of men and women marring, why the wording “sons of God”?

    Like I first said, I really do not see enough clarity to dismiss the aspect of gen 6 referring to men nor angels as the "sons of God". Theirs way to many good points for both sides of the debate, and gratefully non impacting on our salvation.

    I agree with you, this subject is not relevant to our salvation, but I do believe if God chose to talk about it in scripture it deserves our attention and effort to understand what took place and the impact this event had on events we read about in God’s word.
    Thanks and God Bless.
     
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  3. Postvieww

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    There is much insight into this topic in the Book of Enoch. I am very well aware Enoch is not in our canon of scripture, but I believe it has historical relevance. The book of Enoch is quoted in the book of Jude.

    Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    This book was read by those in the days Jesus walked the earth. What weight and authority they gave it, I do not know. But I believe it is of consequence that it is quoted in our New Testament. I may post some relevant passages from this book in the future.

    There are also other books that did not make it into our Bible that are referred to in in scripture. Such as the book of Jasher.

    Joshua 10: 13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

    2 Samuel 1:18 (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)
     
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  4. sojourner4Christ

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    [FONT=&quot]The Nephilim were cannibals. The Nephilim [FONT=&quot]were not completely destroyed, and, as a result, are sti[FONT=&quot]l[/FONT]l with us today.

    [FONT=&quot]W[FONT=&quot]h[/FONT]at fo[FONT=&quot]llows [FONT=&quot]is[/FONT] the scriptural [FONT=&quot]evidence[/FONT] for the continued existence of the Nephilim and their [FONT=&quot]offspring. [FONT=&quot]If you [FONT=&quot]are moved[/FONT] to reply to this post, please do so through the lens of scripture and not mere opinion.[/FONT]

    [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]The Nephilim that were produced by the angel/mankind marriage were much different from either of their parents. This, too, went against God's plan for the Earth in which each animal and human being was to reproduce "after its own kind." (Genesis 1:24 KJV) This is perhaps the best demonstration that the parents of these creatures were not simply descendants of Cain and Seth. Had they been, they would have produced human offspring, rather than the Nephilim.

    The Nephilim were more than simply large beings or giants. The Hebrew word Nephilim has been translated into Greek as gegenes. This is the same word used in Greek mythology for the "Titans," creatures created through the interbreeding of the Greek gods and human beings. (The English words "genes" and "genetics" are built around the same root word as gegenes; genea means "breed" or "kind.")

    In the past there has been criticism of the theory that human beings could be genetically modified to become giants or superhuman creatures. Science has recently proven otherwise.

    In April 1997, scientists at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore revealed that they had discovered a gene in mice which they called growth/differentiation factor-8 (GDF-8). When mice cells were altered genetically to delete this gene, the creatures that were conceived from these altered eggs grew enormous muscles, becoming "super mice" for all practical purposes. (Reuters, "Absence of gene makes for mighty mice," 11:42 AM ET, April 30, 1997.)

    The scientists wrote in the science journal Nature:

    We disrupted the GDF-8 gene by gene targeting in mice. [Mice lacking the gene] are significantly larger than wild-type animals and show a large and widespread increase in skeletal muscle mass. Individual muscles of mutant animals weigh two to three times more than those of wild-type animals.

    Notice that not only were the animals with the gDF-8 gene stronger, they were two to three times larger. In other words, the super mice were stronger and considerably larger than their natural brothers and sisters having an unaltered genetic makeup.

    That's with just one gene altered.

    It doesn't seem unreasonable to believe that if such creatures would result with just minor genetic modifications, that the offspring of an angel/human coupling would not be just as - if not more - modified. Because angels are noted for their great physical strength, it isn't unreasonable to think that the offspring of human interbreeding would also have such strength.

    This is reflected in the second title given them in the Genesis 6:14 passage: "mighty men" and "men of renown." In other words, the "lab rats" of the past were human beings, with the "scientists" conducting their genetic research being fallen angels.

    While several other Hebrew words translated as "giant" are used in the Bible, the only other place the actual word Nephilim is used outside of the Genesis 6 passage is in Numbers 13:33:

    And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the Nephilim, and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

    This passage becomes very important in understanding Satan's plans for attacking mankind in the near future as this passage takes place long after Noah's flood which God sent to wipe out the offspring of the angel/human being interbreeding. That the Nephilim would be present in Canaan at this point in history can mean only one thing: the interbreeding between angels and mankind can and has happened not just once and not just in the distant past before the Great Flood. It wasn't so widespread and didn't threaten the entire human race, but it happened again long after the flood and has happened many other times as well.

    A careful reading of the first introduction of this word in Genesis also shows that the Nephilim have appeared more than one time in history. The verses don't say that the first account was the only time this occurred. Rather,

    There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men... (Genesis 6:4 KJV)

    It is important to notice that there were giants "in those days" and "also after that" time as well. Since the giants could only be coming from the sons of God interbreeding with the daughters of men, and since God wiped out the first instance of this with the Great Flood, this would have to mean that such couplings have occurred more than just once before the flood.

    The passage about the giants in Numbers also explains why the word Nephilim is often translated into "giants" in English. The Jewish spies who reported the land was filled with Nephilim take the time to describe the creatures' size in relationship to human beings. The spies tell those who listen that the Jews were like grasshoppers both in the sight of the giants as well as in the sight of the spies.

    If one stops to consider the relationship presented here, even given possible exaggeration of the differences in the mind of the spies, it is only logical to assume that the "sons of Anak" were huge, dwarfing the human beings who saw them. This passage also suggests that their strength might have been as great as that of a man compared to that of an insect. Little wonder, then, that the majority of the Jewish spies suggested that the Promised Land wasn't worth fighting for.

    Unfortunately, the nay-sayers had the final say. The Jews didn't invade the Promised Land and instead wandered in the wilderness for another 40 years. But when their descendants finally entered what would become Israel, God exacted a judgment on the inhabitants of the land.

    Just as God destroyed the Earth with a flood to wipe the Nephilim from the face of the Earth during Noah's time, so he used the flood of invading Jews flowing into the Promised Land to wipe out the giants they encountered. Realizing that some of the cities in the Promised Land were filled with Nephilim explains why God ordered some of the cities totally destroyed with the citizens in them to be put under the edge of the sword. God didn't want any of these monsters to once again pollute the human gene pool. God dealt out the same total destruction to these beings as he had with Noah's flood.

    Sadly, most Christians and Jews are unaware of the biblical accounts that giants were found far and wide in the Promised Land. Most artwork, movies and the like further the ignorance by portraying everyone but Goliath as being normal size.

    This misses the mark. Careful reading of the Bible reveals that in many areas the Nephilim held control of the cities. One hint at their widespread control is found in Deuteronomy which outlines the areas the invading Jews had conquered following their invasion of the land; this section of the Bible tells to which tribes the land was given. In one small excerpt from this, we can see that the Nephilim originally controlled much of the area:

    And we took at that time out of the hand of the two kings of the Amorites the land that [was] on this side Jordan, from the river of Arnon unto mount Hermon; (Which Hermon the Sidonians call Sirion; and the Amorites call it Shenir[FONT=&quot]; )[/FONT] All the cities of the plain, and all Gilead, and all Bashan, unto Salchah and Edrei, cities of the kingdom of Og in Bashan.

    For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

    And this land, which we possessed at that time, from Aroer, which is by the river Arnon, and half mount Gilead, and the cities thereof, gave I unto the Reubenites and to the Gadites. And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.
    (Deuteronomy 3:8-13 KJV)

    This passage proves that the giants were controlling the land when the Hebrews arrived. It was only through their courage in slaughtering these monsters that God was able to bring the reign of the Nephilim to an end in this region. (It should also be noted that the iron bed described in this passage could accommodate an individual over twelve feet tall.)

    Today there is archeological evidence to back up the biblical stories of Nephilim in the Promised Land. Writer Gary Stearman had this to say about ruins in the region that the Canaanites occupied during ancient times:

    Today, tourists marvel at the ruins in this region. They are of truly gigantic proportion. As we have written earlier, "Here, and northward into Syria and Lebanon, there are the remains of ancient buildings and temples that stagger the imagination. For example, the ruins of Baalbek in Lebanon's Beqa' a Valley are so massive that some have suggested they could not be duplicated, even using modern building techniques.

    "On the Acropolis of Baalbek, stood a temple dedicated to the storm god Hadad. It was 60 feet wide and 290 feet long, surrounded by 19 columns, each 62 feet high and over seven feet in diameter. But its flooring stones - still intact - are each larger than a modern railroad boxcar. No one can imagine how they were moved into place."
    (Stearman, "The Cloning of a Man: Rebirth of an Ancient Idea," Prophecy In The News, April 1997.)

    How an ancient people might have built such structures is a mystery. Unless, of course, the ruins were made by a people much larger than regular human beings.

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    ...continued...

    [FONT=&quot]Moses also gives us another alarming clue to the nature of the habits of the sons of Anak. The spies told Moses:

    And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. (Numbers 13:32 KJV)

    The word translated into English as "eateth" is akal, meaning "to consume or eat." While the spies may have been speaking figuratively here (the word can be employed that way), this word often is used to mean the literal consumption of meat. And as we'll see, this may be pointing to what the spies saw as a danger presented by the sons of Anak: That the giants were also cannibalistic and would literally eat the inhabitants of the land should they choose to do so.

    This view of giants has also been reflected in myths of many cultures, from those of the Greek Cyclops which were giants and ate human flesh, to the Old English tale of Jack and the Beanstalk in which the giant boasts "be him 'live or be him dead, I'll grind his bones to make my bread." While obviously these myths can't be viewed as actual, the fact that many diverse cultures have such myths suggests they have been handed down from those who had dealt with flesh-eating giants in the distant past.

    The Nephilim are described as the "sons of Anak" followed by a detailed list of the city-states that were in the area. The details Moses laid out in this passage gives us other important clues that enable the piecing together of who the giants were and thereby expose Satan's ongoing battle against the human race. This can be done by connecting this description of the Nephilim to other accounts that use a different word for giant, but then link the word in a manner that shows its connection to the Nephilim.

    One such key is in Numbers when the Nephilim are described as the sons of Anak; the spies then note with which cities these giants are associated. Later, when giants are referred to in the Old Testament, the writer occasionally notes that the giant was like those found in one of these cities. This then gives us the "link" to prove that these giants are also Nephilim, even though a different Hebrew word is being used to describe them.

    Thus, the key to making these relationships is in Numbers:

    And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. (Numbers 13:32 KJV)

    Thus, when Moses uses another Hebrew term for "giant," he took pains to show the link between this term and the Nephilim during his cataloging of the peoples who were dwelling in the Promised Land:

    The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims. (Deuteronomy 2:10-11 KJV)

    The word translated as "giant" here is Raphah (or Rephaim in its plural form), a word that has several meanings including "giant," "ghost," and "deceased." In fact the same word or variants of it are translated as "dead" or "deceased" in other parts of the Bible. (Job 26:5; Psalm 88:10; Proverbs 2:18; Proverbs 21:16; Isaiah 14:8; Isaiah 26:14; Isaiah 26:19 KJV)

    Moses took the trouble to link the Nephilim to the Anakim. We can then see that the two terms are related and that the Raphah are Nephilim or, at least, creatures very similar to the Nephilim.

    Although these races of giants were eventually rooted out of the Promised Land, their marks are still seen there even today. The three-mile-long vale commonly called Baqa' along the road to Bethlehem is still known as the "Valley of the Rephaim" or "Valley of the Giants." (Charles DeLoach, Giants: A Reference Guide from History, the Bible, and Recorded Legend, Scarecrow Press, Meuchen, NJ, 1995, p. 149) Other areas were associated with the giants in Joshua with the Avvim, Philistines, and Amorites all having some giants among their general populations.

    The biblical contention that giants roamed the Promised Land is supported by archeological evidence (DeLoach, pp. 150-151) as well as the Ras Samra Texts, discovered in 1928, which make frequent mention of the Rephaim in their cuneiform texts. (DeLoach, p. 150)

    The ancient historian Josephus also tells about the Jewish battle to wipe out the Nephilim in the Promised Land. He wrote that after the Jewish fighters had moved from Hebron to battle the Gibborim:

    And when they had taken it, they slew all the inhabitants. There were till then left a race of giants, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day, unlike to any credible relations of other men. (Josephus, Antiquities, 5.2.3.)

    Unfortunately, the Hebrew fighters tired of their work and didn't wipe out the very last of the Nephilim in the Promised Land. After seven years of fighting, Joshua permitted them to stop their war on the inhabitants of the land. While there were no Anakim left in most of the land, some remained in Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod. (Joshua 11:21-23 KJV) These would later join the Philistines and may have been part of the tribe of giants that migrated northward over the next millenium, traveling westward through Europe.
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    Posted for informational purposes. I am very well aware this is not in the canon of scripture.


    Book of Enoch Chapter 7

    1. It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to
    them, elegant and beautiful.

    2. And when the angels, the sons of heaven,beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying
    to each other. Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget
    children.

    3. Then their leader Samyaza said to them ; I fear that you may perhaps be indisposed to the
    performance of this enterprise ;

    4. And that I alone shall suffer for so grievous a crime.

    5. But they answered him and said ; We all swear

    6. And bind ourselves by mutual execrations, that we will not change our intention, but execute
    our projected undertaking.

    7. Then they swore all together, and all bound themselves by mutual execrations. Their whole
    number was two hundred, who descended upon Ardis, which is the top of mount Armon.

    8. That mountain therefore was called Armon, because they had sworn upon it, and bound themselves
    by mutual execrations.

    9. These are the names of their chiefs : Samyaza, who was their leader, Urakabarameel, Akibeel,
    Tamiel, Ramuel, Danel, Azkeel, Saraknyal, Asael, Armers, Batraal, Anane, Zavebe, Samsaveel, Ertael, Turel, Yomyael, Arazyal. These were the prefects of the two hundred angels, and the remainder were
    all with them.

    10. Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with
    whom they cohabited ; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.

    11. And the women conceiving brought forth giants,

    12. Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labour of men produced ; until it became impossible to feed them ;

    13. When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them ;

    14. And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and
    to drink their blood.

    15. Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.
     
  7. Yekcidmij

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    So what's the information you hope to present that is relevant to the discussion?
     
  8. Postvieww

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    Being that The Book of Enoch was quoted in the book of Jude, it is obvious that it has some relevance and was read by Christians of that day. If you are one that believes our bible is the inspired word of God it seems logical to me that Jude would not have quoted from it were it of no value. The chapter I posted has everything to do with the topic of this thread.
     
  9. Denadii

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    Wow! That should have been edited.
     
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    I'm just wondering if you're discounting the thousands of giants alive today? I'm talking twenty footers, three different types.
     
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    The scriptures are VERY clear on where the giants came from.
     
  12. JackRT

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    Human beings? I don't think so. Not even anatomically possible.
     
  13. Denadii

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    Definitely not human...Twenty feet tall? Not human. But real. Really real.
     
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    The tallest known giraffe was 19.3 feet tall. So not human? Then just what are you speaking of?
     
  15. Denadii

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    LOL Not so confusing....I'm speaking of real, live, Genesis 6 giants. Alive today. Numbering in the thousands.
     
  16. yeshuasavedme

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    Ben Elohim laqach bath Adam, wrote Moses, and had sexual relations with them, before and after the flood, and begat giants. Dead in spirit offspring of the fallen sons of God/holy watcher angels, whose spirits were evil, unclean remnants of their fathers' fallen spirits, and begotten in the Adam flesh stolen by gene splicing the eggs of their Adam daughter wives. they will never get those flesh bodies back, and roam earth seeking bodies to inhabit, to do wicked things to and through.
     
  17. JackRT

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    Proof?
     
  18. Denadii

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    I told you about it. Prove me wrong. If you can I'll admit my mistake, but don't deprive yourself of the chance to learn something. You do the digging. I've already done mine.
    Let me ask you though....What happened to the giants that lived after the flood? Where did they go?
     
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    Traditions drawn from the racial memory of races worldwide state that the very first people on earth were mighty and of immense stature, but that they later degenerated in size and vigour.

    For example, the present day Kotoko people of Chad, Africa, claim that their ancestors were giants. "In those days men were so tall they could look over the trees," they say.

    "Men twice as tall as us" once inhabited the "realm of delight", claim stories of old China, but they lost it by not living "by laws of virtue".

    God was angry with the giants, say the Montagnais Indians of Canada, and sent a flood upon them.

    It is a fact that the whole world seems to enshrine ancestral memories of giants. One could cite scores of such legends, from everywhere.

    Here are some of them:

    EUROPE:

    1. NORDIC MYTHS:
    The Jotunn were great giants.

    2. SCANDINAVIA:
    The first men of creation were as big as mountains.

    3. GERMANIC MYTHS:
    Permanently preoccupied with giants are the myths of the Germanic tribes.

    4. GOTHS:
    The giants were drowned in the Deluge. The survivors fathered a race of giants.

    5. CELTIC LEGENDS:
    The Gargantua giants are spoken of.

    6. IRELAND:
    There are stories of giants called Fomorians.

    7. BRITISH LEGENDS:
    We find Gog and Magog and Albion, the giant-god.

    8. CLAUDIUS AELIANUS (2nd century):
    On Atlantis were "men twice as tall as those common to our climate, and they lived twice as long."

    9. GREEK LEGENDS:
    The Titans, who some said were the first men on earth, were great giants.

    10. GREEK LEGENDS:
    The Cyclopes were of immense stature and said to be the builders of the enormous masonry in Greece, Italy and certain other areas of the globe.

    11. SICILY:
    Enceladus, the giant who warred with Zeus, was buried under Mt Etna.

    12. SICILY:
    Typhoeus, a giant of a mountain chain of Asia Minor, was also buried at Mt Etna.

    13. SICILY:
    The giant Lestrigons were said to have dwelt in Sicily.

    AFRICA:

    14. CHAD:
    There once lived in the Chad region black giants with smooth hair, from whom the present tribes are descended. (Legends of the present day Kotoko tribe)

    "The enormous piles of large stone blocks near Goulfei were transported there by the Sao, men so tall that they could look over the trees." (same tribe)

    ASIA:

    15. CHALDEA:
    The Izdubar were giants.

    16. BABYLONIANS:
    "The ancient Babylon was founded by giants saved from the Deluge."

    17. BABYLON:
    The Babylonian Talmud mentions a prehistoric race of giants who had double rows of teeth.

    18. BOOK OF ENOCH:
    A race of giants dominated the earth before the Flood.

    19. APOCRYPHA OF BARVCH:
    There were 4,090,000 giants before the Flood.

    20. INDIAN RECORDS:
    The Danavas and Daityas were giants, as were the Rakshasas of the Hindu epic.

    21. CHINA:
    "Men twice as tall as us" once inhabited the "realm of delight" but lost it by not living "by laws of virtue."

    22. TIBET:
    Giants play an important part in the mythology of Tibet.

    23. TIBET:
    The medical lamasery in Tibet claims that long ago Tibet was peopled by a giant race (males averaging 15 feet in height; females averaging 12 feet in height).

    24. THAI TRADITION:
    The earliest men were of colossal size.

    AUSTRALASIA-PACIFIC:

    25. ABORIGINES, AUSTRALIA:
    The secret city of Burrunga in Australia's northern hinterlands was inhabited by gigantic white men with red hair.

    26. ABORIGINES, AUSTRALIA:
    There are many traditions of giant men and women who lived far back in the "dreamtime."

    27. MAORIS, NEW ZEALAND:
    Tamatekapua, lord of the Arawa Maori migration, now buried on Mt Moehau, Coromandel Peninsula, was 9 feet tall.

    28. PAPUA NEW GUINEA:
    Traditional stories of the Vella area of Papua New Guinea tell of a group of Europeans who tried to colonise the area a few centuries ago. They attempted to build a temple up in the hills, but the local giants would go in at night and throw away all the stonework. However, the temple was built, and still exists, made of the most beautiful marble. The skulls of five of the giants (brothers) are also supposed to be up in the bush. These are about a foot (30 centimeters) across.

    NORTH AMERICA:

    29. ESKIMOS:
    "In those days there were giants on the earth."

    30. MONTAGNAIS INDIANS, CANADA:
    God was angry with the giants and sent a flood upon them.

    31. USA:
    Some Indian tribes worshipped "men of huge stature" who inhabited the region before they arrived.

    32. SUPAI CANYON, ARIZONA:
    A petroglyph depicting a mammoth attacking a man: the man must have been over 10 feet tall, according to the perspective employed by the ancient artist. (Indians in the vicinity stated that the drawings were made by giants of long ago.)

    CENTRAL AMERICA:

    33. AZTECS, MEXICO:
    Before the Flood, the land was inhabited by the Tzocullixeco, a giant race.

    34. AZTECS, MEXICO:
    Xelua and his brother giants survived the world flood and built a pyramid to reach the clouds.

    35. TOLTECS, MEXICO:
    The "first age" was brought to an end by fearful destruction due to "floods and lightning," while in the "second age" our earth was peopled by giants, the Quinametzin.

    36. CHOLULA INDIANS, MEXICO:
    Before the great Flood which took place 4008 years after the creation of the world, the land was inhabited by giants.

    37. MAYA, GUATEMALA; INCAS, PERU:
    The first race created by the gods before the Flood were giants. Two prominent giants were Atlan [Atlas?] and Theitani [Titan?]

    SOUTH AMERICA:

    38. PERUVIAN TRADITION:
    The Chavin people, whose civilisation stretched from the Pacific Ocean to the sources of the Amazon, were giants.

    39. QUICHUA INDIANS, PERU:
    Long ago a race of giant men came from the Pacific Ocean in ships, invaded the lowlands of old Peru, forcing the Inca high up into their mountain strongholds in the Andes.
    These giants were so huge that "from the knee down, they were as tall as a tall man".

    40. TWO INCA LEGENDS, PERU:
    The city of Tiahuanaco in Bolivia was built by survivors of the Flood; it was built by giants.

    As you see, the whole world appears to enshrine ancestral memories of giants.

    41. A manuscript called The Apocalypse of Baruch, a pseudepigraphical work written around AD 100 and preserved only in the sixth-century Syriac Vulgate (and which seems a little unclear in parts) appears to hint at the origin of giants:

    "Men began as giants. These first giants were very highly developed, intellectually, artistically and physically: they had power over birds and animals… they misbehaved and were abolished by God, and ordinary men took their place…"

    So many of the legends recall that mankind also lived far longer - even hundreds of years.

    Interestingly, this is exactly what the ancient Biblical writings have been saying for so long. From a high, blissful condition, man fell and steadily deteriorated. He was created with a noble physique and a powerful brain, which have degenerated through wrong living.

    All these are myths. You know however that all myth is based on truth....That makes myth anecdotal evidence.
     
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    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. The onus of proof is on you my friend. Keep in mind that when mankind invented their gods it is no accident that they looked and acted like men.
     
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