General anesthesia and consciousness

[All Becomes New]

Why are ndes a problem for naturalists? There are several reasons people report ndes. All naturalistic.

The problem is that some NDEs, as hard as naturalists try, cannot be explained naturalistically.

 

[Larniavc]

The problem is that some NDEs, as hard as naturalists try, cannot be explained naturalistically.

That's because they are all hear say with no experimental evidence. Just claims by credulous people. It's hard to explain things that other people just made up.

 

[All Becomes New]

That's because they are all hear say with no experimental evidence. Just claims by credulous people. It's hard to explain things that other people just made up.

When all else fails, just say people are lying. That seems to work often enough.

 

[Larniavc]

When all else fails, just say people are lying. That seems to work often enough.

That's because with NDEs it's always true. There has never been an occurrence that does not boil down to hearsay.

 

[All Becomes New]

That's because with NDEs it's always true. There has never been an occurrence that does not boil down to hearsay.

That's like saying miracles are not possible because they are impossible.

 

[dwb001]

That's because with NDEs it's always true. There has never been an occurrence that does not boil down to hearsay.

Watch a Gary Habarmas video on the topic.

 

[Larniavc]

Watch a Gary Habarmas video on the topic.

I've seen it before. Which bit do you find particularly compelling and why?

 

[dwb001]

I've seen it before. Which bit do you find particularly compelling and why?

NDE. He makes a good case for not fictional accounts of NDE.

 

[All Becomes New]

I've seen it before.

Which one? Please link it.

 

[All Becomes New]

No it's not. Miracles have happened and evidence of them , even proof, of healings, although
not nearly as many as claimed, many of which were proven false.

Fairy tale nde which were researched to verify or not, ALL proved to be fiction.

Not the ones I am talking about.

 

[dwb001]

Which one? Please link it.

Just search on YouTube for NDE and Gary Habermas. He has a few videos.

 

[All Becomes New]

Just search on YouTube for NDE and Gary Habermas. He has a few videos.

I asked which one because there are many, not because I do not know who Gary Habermas is.

All of them, Every one you ever heard of .

I'm not talking about the ones where people see Jesus in heaven. I'm talking about the ones where people know things there would be no way for them to know.

 

[dwb001]

I asked which one because there are many, not because I do not know who Gary Habermas is.



I'm not talking about the ones where people see Jesus in heaven. I'm talking about the ones where people know things there would be no way for them to know.

 

[Larniavc]

Which one? Please link it.

 

[Larniavc]

NDE. He makes a good case for not fictional accounts of NDE.

I don't see how he does. Can you give me a link for the evidence you find the most compelling.

On second thoughts a timestamp on the vid we have both seen would be perfect.

 

[Larniavc]

That's like saying miracles are not possible because they are impossible.

Which is equally correct.

 

[dwb001]

I don't see how he does. Can you give me a link for the evidence you find the most compelling.

On second thoughts a timestamp on the vid we have both seen would be perfect.

I just picked one at random... Just watch it... or are you allergic to doing the work.

 

[All Becomes New]

Which is equally correct.

It is the same thing as "Love is love." If you have to use the word to define the word, you are not saying anything.

So unless you have access to every possible NDE and miracle claim, I'm afraid you cannot rule it out.

 

[Larniavc]

I just picked one at random... Just watch it... or are you allergic to doing the work.

How am I supposed to know which one you picked? Am I to guess? Tell me which one you find most compelling.

Or don't. I guess that's up to you; but it's hardly debating in good faith.

 

[dwb001]

How am I supposed to know which one you picked? Am I to guess? Tell me which one you find most compelling.

Or don't. I guess that's up to you; but it's hardly debating in good faith.

Just pick one.
Take some time.
Get a beverage and put your feet up.
Watch a video for an hour and come to your own conclusions.