General anesthesia and consciousness

[Larniavc]

It is the same thing as "Love is love." If you have to use the word to define the word, you are not saying anything.

So unless you have access to every possible NDE and miracle claim, I'm afraid you cannot rule it out.

Yes, is a tautology. But it doesn't mean it is incorrect. Sure I can't rule it out but since there has never been a substantiated case of a NDE there is no reason to believe it is anything more than the hopes of a credulous mind.

 

[Larniavc]

Just pick one.
Take some time.
Get a beverage and put your feet up.
Watch a video for an hour and come to your own conclusions.

I've already told you I have watched it. But I can see that you are wasting my time so unless you are going to meet me half way and tell me which part of the vid is in your opinion the most compelling evidence for NDAs I think we can call it a night.

 

[All Becomes New]

Yes, is a tautology. But it doesn't mean it is incorrect. Sure I can't rule it out but since there has never been a substantiated case of a NDE there is no reason to believe it is anything more than the hopes of a credulous mind.

I think you are ignorant on this topic (or willfully ignorant).

 

[dwb001]

I've already told you I have watched it. But I can see that you are wasting my time so unless you are going to meet me half way and tell me which part of the vid is in your opinion the most compelling evidence for NDAs I think we can call it a night.

I don't know what ideas would be compelling to you.
To me the entire video is compelling.
How can I know what will inspire you?
What are you looking for?
I have pointed you in a direction that should answer your questions... but you need have you hand held?

If you really are 50 as your bio suggests then you should be able to determine for yourself if there is compelling evidence on your own.

 

[partinobodycular]

Yes, is a tautology. But it doesn't mean it is incorrect. Sure I can't rule it out but since there has never been a substantiated case of a NDE there is no reason to believe it is anything more than the hopes of a credulous mind.

So far nobody has been able to cite a single reputable case of NDE. It's just go watch a Gary Habermas video. This indicates to me that are no reputable cases of NDE. If there were somebody would cite one. The fact that they can't says everything.

 

[All Becomes New]

So far nobody has been able to cite a single reputable case of NDE. It's just go watch a Gary Habermas video. This indicates to me that are no reputable cases of NDE. If there were somebody would cite one. The fact that they can't says everything.

If your friend tells you after a flight that they will pick you up at the airport would you believe them? What if they are 15 minutes late? Do you stick around to wait for your friend to pick you up or do you call a taxi?

 

[dwb001]

So far nobody has been able to cite a single reputable case of NDE. It's just go watch a Gary Habermas video. This indicates to me that are no reputable cases of NDE. If there were somebody would cite one. The fact that they can't says everything.

Because he cites the NDE's in question.
I have not researched it but I can point you to a researcher who has.
I can't explain the inner workings of the transistor, but I can give you a link to a person who can. Does that mean that transistors don't exist?

 

[partinobodycular]

I have not researched it but I can point you to a researcher who has.

If you've watched the video then just cite one case... just one.

 

[dwb001]

If you've watched the video then just cite one case... just one.

The lady seeing the serial number of the machine that was only written on the top and that she had no ability to see from her position on the operating table.

Just off the top of my head.

 

[partinobodycular]

If your friend tells you after a flight that they will pick you up at the airport would you believe them? What if they are 15 minutes late? Do you stick around to wait for your friend to pick you up or do you call a taxi?

Just cite one case... is that too much for you?

 

[All Becomes New]

Just cite one case... is that too much for you?

Play along. Please answer my questions. I have a point, I promise.

 

[partinobodycular]

The lady seeing the serial number of the machine that was only written on the top and that she had no ability to see from her position on the operating table.

As I've already pointed out, there is no evidence that that woman ever existed.

 

[partinobodycular]

Play along. Please answer my questions. I have a point, I promise.

I don't care.

 

[All Becomes New]

I don't care.

Then why are you here on a Christian forum acting like you care about the evidence when you don't?

 

[dwb001]

As I've already pointed out, there is no evidence that that woman ever existed.

Then direct that question to Gary.
I choose to trust him but you can get his book (purchase or library) and check the references.

So you just distrust people.
You expect someone to lie to you by default.
Or do the research yourself. Go to hospitals, ask every doctor in the hospital, every patient. Then go to the next hospital.

 

[partinobodycular]

Then why are you here on a Christian forum acting like you care about the evidence when you don't?

I don't care about some point that you're supposedly trying to make. I want you to cite a case. Can you do that or can't you?

 

[partinobodycular]

Then direct that question to Gary.

No you're the one that trusted Gary without checking it out for yourself. If you had actually bothered to do that then you'd know that the evidence for that case is pretty much nonexistent.

 

[All Becomes New]

I don't care about some point that you're supposedly trying to make. I want you to cite a case. Can you do that or can't you?

You have already denied what evidence was given to you. Giving more evidence is not going to do it at this point.

Your view assumes that people are not to be trusted in pretty much every situation, which is why I asked you the questions I did. If you would wait for your friend even though they are 15 minutes late, then it is not all personal testimony that you reject, but only the testimony that you want to reject you reject. If you would trust your friend to be there even though you have evidence that they will not be there (as they are late) then you are just picking and choosing what testimony you accept or reject.

 

[dwb001]

No you're the one that trusted Gary without checking it out for yourself. If you had actually bothered to do that then you'd know that the evidence for that case is pretty much nonexistent.

I can choose to trust without verifying for myself.
You don't want to follow that path, fine.
Then I show you how you can get the evidence you want and you say no thank you.
Your choice but that just shows your own lack of desire to follow the evidence.

Have you followed the evidence that Gary has laid out in his books?
Do you own Gary's books on NDE's?
Have you followed the evidence?
Have you talked to a person who has had a verifiable NDE?

 

[partinobodycular]

You have already denied what evidence was given to you.

Well that's obviously not true. Both you and @dwb001 cited the exact same case... but unlike you two I actually checked it out, only to find that there's pretty much no evidence that that woman ever existed.

So which of us isn't checking the evidence?