Fully God and Fully Man, how does that work?

[WhoIsLikeGod?]

It does all of us good to understand God better..

If Jesus did not have two natures? No one could truly know God as He wants to be known by man.

For its by means of His human nature that the Lord takes what transcends our ability to understand about God, and translates and interprets God to man, in terms that men can relate to.

How do we know this? John 1:18 tells us...

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.​

The Greek in that verse indicates the following:

[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].​

That translation aspect is from the Amplified Bible.

I learned of this factor from a wonderful pastor who studied and taught from the Greek. Pastor Ralph G. Braun.

Okay, it's one thing to understand the nature of a thing; it's another to make that understanding work for you. People may not believe your teaching if it doesn't do anything for anyone. Why would they?

What does your teaching say that the Gospel doesn't already? Hasn't the Gospel said enough, already?

 

[GenemZ]

Okay, it's one thing to understand the nature of a thing; it's another to make that understanding work for you. People may not believe your teaching if it doesn't do anything for anyone. Why would they?

What does your teaching say that the Gospel doesn't already? Hasn't the Gospel said enough, already?

The Gospel is God's maternity ward. Its God's way to bring babies into the Kingdom.

The deeper teachings are for those who have been maturing.

Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil." Heb 5:13-14​

Being able to know the Truth sets you free.

Yet, telling the Truth? It does not guarantee anything for those who do not yet have ears to hear. For those yet baby Christians can not digest meat of the Word.

I simply tell others what I know. I am not responsible to make them understand. Understanding comes from God. Those who have ears to hear would love to know what I explained. It will do nothing for others at this time if they are not ready for it.

grace and peace ........

 

[WhoIsLikeGod?]

The Gospel is God's maternity ward. Its God's way to bring babies into the Kingdom.

The deeper teachings are for those who have been maturing.

Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil." Heb 5:13-14​

Being able to know the Truth sets you free.

Yet, telling the Truth? It does not guarantee anything for those who do not yet have ears to hear. For those yet baby Christians can not digest meat of the Word.

I simply tell others what I know. I am not responsible to make them understand. Understanding comes from God. Those who have ears to hear would love to know what I explained. It will do nothing for others at this time if they are not ready for it.

grace and peace ........

Sorry to say, but I'm just not interested in what you have to say.

 

[disciple Clint]

I am surprised you are asking. If Jesus was only one nature he could never be as a man. Unless you deny the Deity of Christ? Do you?

Concerning Jesus, the Chalcedonian Creed states, his two natures are without confusion, without change, without division, and without separation. Jesus is one.

The dual nature of Christ is a well known and highly accepted teaching among many churches.
What Is the Hypostatic Union?

The Chalcedonian Creed
https://www.theopedia.com/chalcedonian-creed

grace and peace .........

Jesus is 100% man and 100% God that however does not give God two natures

 

[disciple Clint]

If God has only one nature as the Trinity there could be no trinity.

What would make it possible to have three personalities?

Three persons does not mean three personalities and it does not mean three natures. God has one nature that nature is God, there are three persons The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. One nature, three persons.

 

[GenemZ]

Jesus is 100% man and 100% God that however does not give God two natures

God through the Son communicates with two natures being in union, to man. So man can have God made to be understandable to man.

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God
and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen;
He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known]. Jn 1:18


The Son is God's interpreter and translator of what God is to man.

How else could man comprehend what would be incomprehensible and transcends man's ability to grasp?
God has to bring Himself down to size so we can see Him through the Son.

All the God we can ever know is to be found in Christ. All the God that we as men can ever know throughout all eternity? Is already being fully known by the Lord Jesus Christ. For He is both God and man.

grace and peace ........

 

[GenemZ]

Sorry to say, but I'm just not interested in what you have to say.

Why be sorry? Move on.

 

[Nj_]

Jesus is 100% man and 100% God that however does not give God two natures

It's two natures (Divine nature and human nature) united in one person.

 

[GenemZ]

It's two natures (Divine nature and human nature) united in one person.

When one adds an app to his phone its still a phone. The humanity of Christ is an "app" that God uses to make what he wants to be made known to humans in human reasoning and thinking.

Phone + app = phone.
God+ humanity = God.

 

[disciple Clint]

God through the Son communicates with two natures being in union, to man. So man can have God made to be understandable to man.

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God
and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen;
He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known]. Jn 1:18


The Son is God's interpreter and translator of what God is to man.

How else could man comprehend what would be incomprehensible and transcends man's ability to grasp?
God has to bring Himself down to size so we can see Him through the Son.

All the God we can ever know is to be found in Christ. All the God that we as men can ever know throughout all eternity? Is already being fully known by the Lord Jesus Christ. For He is both God and man.

grace and peace ........

The Bible is the interpreter and translator of what God is to man, Jesus is the living example.

 

[disciple Clint]

It's two natures (Divine nature and human nature) united in one person.

No because Jesus having a human nature was always part of God.

 

[GenemZ]

The Bible is the interpreter and translator of what God is to man, Jesus is the living example.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning." Jn 1:1

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us." Jn 1:14 ​

Believing that takes grace, and becomes faith when we take God on his Word.

We do not have to understand it at first (as some demand, and stumble).

We just accept what God tells us through His Word. = Faith.

 

[GenemZ]

No because Jesus having a human nature was always part of God.

Make sense out of that, please. What it looks like you're saying is that humanity is God. For if it was always part of "God?" Humanity must be God.

His Humanity has been with God before time began.

Without time? There can be no beginnings. To be created something must have a beginning.

Therefore, the Soul of Jesus was not created, but begotten by the Father outside of time.

 

[disciple Clint]

Make sense out of that, please. What it looks like you're saying is that humanity is God. For if it was always part of "God?" Humanity must be God.

His Humanity has been with God before time began.

Without time? There can be no beginnings. To be created something must have a beginning.

Therefore, the Soul of Jesus was not created, but begotten by the Father outside of time.

Looks to me like you just validated exactly what I said.

 

[GenemZ]

ok
Explain "begotten"...

 

[disciple Clint]

ok
Explain "begotten"...

to cause to exist. You can have thoughts then you can be self aware that your are having thoughts in all cases you have begotten those thoughts.

 

[GenemZ]

to cause to exist. You can have thoughts then you can be self aware that your are having thoughts in all cases you have begotten those thoughts.

When the Bible says "begot" it had to do with someone parenting a child. What's the difference between procreated and begotten in that case?

"For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and
invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have
been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him
all things hold together." Col 1:16-17​

The one we now call Jesus had to be with the Father before any creation took place. For the one we now call Jesus, before the Incarnation his soul could never have been created.

He had to be existing with the Father before any creating took place. For nothing was created without it being created through the one we now call Jesus!

 

[disciple Clint]

When the Bible says "begot" it had to do with someone parenting a child. What's the difference between procreated and begotten in that case?

"For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and
invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have
been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him
all things hold together." Col 1:16-17​

The one we now call Jesus had to be with the Father before any creation took place. For the one we now call Jesus, before the Incarnation his soul could never have been created.

He had to be existing with the Father before any creating took place. For nothing was created without it being created through the one we now call Jesus!

Jesus existed as Jesus 100% God and 100% human for all time. Your problem with the term begotten and with Jesus and His natures all relates back to understanding the Trinity, and the nature of God.

 

[GenemZ]

Jesus existed as Jesus 100% God and 100% human for all time.

He sure did... The Lord God of Israel manifested two natures. Not one. OT Scripture shows this to be true. Deity and Soul. It was with the Lord God of Israel's Soul did He make Himself become as a man in Jesus.

Here are some OT passages where this reality of two natures in union are shown. Deity and Soul are different natures. The two natures were always in union with the Lord Jehovah of Israel, not simply when Jesus walked the earth.

'You will eat the old supply and clear out the old because of the new. Moreover, I will make
My dwelling among you, and My soul will not reject you.'I will also walk among you and be
your God, and you shall be My people." Lev 26:10-12

And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah, so that
his soul became impatient because of the trouble of Israel. Jdges 10:16

Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone loving
violence his soul certainly hates." Ps 11:5

Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting. Your New Moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates; They are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.. Isa 1:13-14​

God was always relating to man in the OT by means of His Soul, while yet remaining being God.
Hope you can see that.

 

[disciple Clint]

He sure did... The Lord God of Israel manifested two natures. Not one. OT Scripture shows this to be true. Deity and Soul. It was with the Lord God of Israel's Soul did He make Himself become as a man in Jesus.

Here are some OT passages where this reality of two natures in union are shown. Deity and Soul are different natures. The two natures were always in union with the Lord Jehovah of Israel, not simply when Jesus walked the earth.

'You will eat the old supply and clear out the old because of the new. Moreover, I will make
My dwelling among you, and My soul will not reject you.'I will also walk among you and be
your God, and you shall be My people." Lev 26:10-12

And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah, so that
his soul became impatient because of the trouble of Israel. Jdges 10:16

Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone loving
violence his soul certainly hates." Ps 11:5

Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting. Your New Moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates; They are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.. Isa 1:13-14​

God was always relating to man in the OT by means of His Soul, while yet remaining being God.
Hope you can see that.

So you accept every anthropomorphism as being literal fact?