Fully God and Fully Man, how does that work?

[Neogaia777]

you were doing ok for the most part until you got to right here:
that statement denies the Divinity of the Holy Spirit and God the Son ( Jesus )

Only by your definitions of what is fully required in order to be "divine", or still fully God and/or divine, etc.

They show us God "in time", etc, and if they can show us God, and do show us God, then they are still fully divine, etc.

Or at least they still are in my book, etc.

God Bless!

 

[disciple Clint]

Only by your definitions of what is fully required in order to be "divine", or still fully God and/or divine, etc.

all three are equally God therefore they all have the same knowledge because if they dont they are not all God. OK?

 

[Neogaia777]

all three are equally God therefore they all have the same knowledge because if they dont they are not all God. OK?

Who says, etc...?

Man...?

Because man does not get to define what it takes to still be God and/or fully divine, OK...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

all three are equally God therefore they all have the same knowledge because if they dont they are not all God. OK?

You err big time on the "because if they don't" part, etc...

Man does not get to decide that, etc...

God Bless!

 

[disciple Clint]

You err big time on the "because if they don't" part, etc...

Man does not get to decide that, etc...

God Bless!

OK I still love you man. You will see it later after you think about it for a while.

 

[Neogaia777]

OK I still love you man. You will see it later after you think about it for a while.

Yeah, I love you too, and you will too, ok.

Seriously though, let's not fight, but let's just let it drop for right now, ok, and I'll even let you have the last words even if you want, ok, and I'll just mark "friendlies" on your posts for now, or from now on, ok...

I've had enough fighting and arguing for one day, ok...

It's exhausting, etc, ok...

And we Christians shouldn't be fighting amongst ourselves anyway, etc, ok...

Peace.

God Bless!

 

[disciple Clint]

Yeah, I love you too, and you will too, ok.

Seriously though, let's not fight, but let's just let it drop for right now, ok, and I'll even let you have the last words even if you want, ok, and I'll just mark "friendlies" on your posts for now, or from now on, ok...

I've had enough fighting and arguing for one day, ok...

It's exhausting, etc, ok...

And we Christians shouldn't be fighting amongst ourselves anyway, etc, ok...

Peace.

God Bless!

Get some rest, I hope tomorrow is a far better day for you and the rest of the month as well, it was never my intention to fight with you, I know your heart is good.

 

[Neogaia777]

Get some rest, I hope tomorrow is a far better day for you and the rest of the month as well, it was never my intention to fight with you, I know your heart is good.

Thanks man.

Peace.

God Bless!

 

[The Liturgist]

If we accept and acknowledge that Jesus is God, then Christ taking our sins upon himself, taking responsibility for them, etc., equates directly to God himself taking our sins upon himself, taking responsibility for them, etc. If God has sin (viz. is responsible for, if not guilty of) to be reckoned, having taken responsibility for sin on our account, then he, being beholden to his own law, must die and suffer being cursed. But God, being a divine spirit, can't suffer death, except that he first becomes mortal. Further, the law proscribes that to expiate sin, there must be a sin offering of an unblemished lamb.

Ergo, the Word went forth from God's mouth—an actual piece of God himself transformed to flesh and blood. He was the Lamb of God. Or more precisely, God's Lamb, being in the genitive. People so often mistake the Lamb of God as being an offering for us. In actual fact, it was an offering for God, made under the law for the expiation of the sins for which God took responsibility.

To be a lamb without blemish, he had to live as a man, and live blamelessly. So God the Father spoke out God the Son, who came to us as the Son of Man, destined to die as God's Lamb.

That is the relationship as I understand it.

Uh, I’m not comfortable with that as a scholar of Patristics, thats a bit Anselm of Canterbury. He was, in the 11th or 12th century, the first to teach that Christ had to die to satisfy God’s offended honor, a concept based on High Medieval Western European Chivalry.

 

[Randy777]

God the Spirit did not want to take out all His wrath, anger, and all He was going through emotionally towards man at the time, on Jesus, etc, and in fact, up to that point, He had been doing everything He could for that not to have to happen and/or be carried out, etc, but eventually, and after many failures in the OT, He knew it had to and must happen and/or be carried out, etc, because Jesus was His Son also, and He did not want to have to do that to His own Son, etc, so He did everything He could in the OT to try and avoid it, and/or having to do it, or prevent it from happening, and/or having to happen, etc, but of course eventually it did have to happen, and what "pleased Him about it" was only the end that He saw after it, etc, but He didn't want to do it and did everything He could to avoid it, etc...

But the Father God knew it was going to have to happen all along, etc...

Because He knew everything from the very beginning already, and everything in-between down to it's very specific ending(s) from the very beginning already, but God the Spirit did not always have this full knowledge always, etc, and neither did God the Son fully, and/or Jesus while He was here with us as a Man fully either always etc, but both had faith in, or came to have faith in, the Father's plan, and did it "together", etc...

God Bless!

The Spirit of God knows the mind of the Spirit. But the Spirit of truth only speaks what He hears. The Father doesn't or can't hide His thoughts and will from His own Spirit. The Father can Will to keep something hidden and the Spirit of truth would not reveal what is to be kept hidden.
1 Corth 2:11
For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

The Father kept his date hidden or to Himself - His Spirit would know but would not reveal what is to be kept hidden.
Matt 24:36
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

I don't see/read of God the Spirit. I see/read the Spirit of God. The nature of the Spirit of God would be the Fathers. Divine, eternal

Fathers promise - In the last days I will pour out My Spirit...
Jesus - “If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth

Acts 2
Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear

Jesus is having difficulty with the trinity. Perhaps people hear should pray to get Him on the program.
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Col 1:19 -It is the Fathers deity in fullness that dwells in Jesus His firstborn. Jesus has always been the Son (His spirit) and the eternal life in Him has always been the Father

Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

The Father - the only true God
The Fathers Spirit - Divine and eternal
The Son with all the fullness of the Deity of God the Father. God in that context. He is all that the Father is.
They are One.

 

[disciple Clint]

The Spirit of God knows the mind of the Spirit. But the Spirit of truth only speaks what He hears. The Father doesn't or can't hide His thoughts and will from His own Spirit. The Father can Will to keep something hidden and the Spirit of truth would not reveal what is to be kept hidden.
1 Corth 2:11
For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

The Father kept his date hidden or to Himself - His Spirit would know but would not reveal what is to be kept hidden.
Matt 24:36
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

I don't see/read of God the Spirit. I see/read the Spirit of God. The nature of the Spirit of God would be the Fathers. Divine, eternal

Fathers promise - In the last days I will pour out My Spirit...
Jesus - “If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth

Acts 2
Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear

Jesus is having difficulty with the trinity. Perhaps people hear should pray to get Him on the program.
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Col 1:19 -It is the Fathers deity in fullness that dwells in Jesus His firstborn. Jesus has always been the Son (His spirit) and the eternal life in Him has always been the Father

Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

The Father - the only true God
The Fathers Spirit - Divine and eternal
The Son with all the fullness of the Deity of God the Father. God in that context. He is all that the Father is.
They are One.

Except they are three persons, which does not look like what you are trying to say. Am I wrong? Three persons, of the same substance, equally God.

 

[The Liturgist]

The Spirit of God knows the mind of the Spirit. But the Spirit of truth only speaks what He hears. The Father doesn't or can't hide His thoughts and will from His own Spirit. The Father can Will to keep something hidden and the Spirit of truth would not reveal what is to be kept hidden.
1 Corth 2:11
For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

The Father kept his date hidden or to Himself - His Spirit would know but would not reveal what is to be kept hidden.
Matt 24:36
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

I don't see/read of God the Spirit. I see/read the Spirit of God. The nature of the Spirit of God would be the Fathers. Divine, eternal

Fathers promise - In the last days I will pour out My Spirit...
Jesus - “If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth

Acts 2
Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear

Jesus is having difficulty with the trinity. Perhaps people hear should pray to get Him on the program.
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Col 1:19 -It is the Fathers deity in fullness that dwells in Jesus His firstborn. Jesus has always been the Son (His spirit) and the eternal life in Him has always been the Father

Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

The Father - the only true God
The Fathers Spirit - Divine and eternal
The Son with all the fullness of the Deity of God the Father. God in that context. He is all that the Father is.
They are One.

This post looks very much like a confession of Arianism and Pneumatomacchianism to me. You need to reread the Nicene Creed and the rest of our Statement of Faith, which provides scriptural references for every statement of the Nicene Creed, because there appears to be a gaping chasm between your post and what the Creed defines, correctly, as the Christian religion. Please read this and study it carefully, because this Creed will help you

The Nicene Creed
We believe in (Romans 10:8-10; 1John 4:15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
the Father (Matthew 6:9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)
And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
by whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1Timothy 2:4-5)
came down from Heaven, (John 6:33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1:14)
And was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; 1Cointhians 15:3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19:6)
and suffered, (Mark 8:31)
and was buried. (Luke 23:53; 1Corinthians 15:4)
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
And ascended into Heaven, (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
And He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24:27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10:42; 2Timothy 4:1)
whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)
And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14:26)
the Lord, (Acts 5:3-4)
the Giver of Life, (Genesis 1:2)
Who proceeds from the Father; (John 15:26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19:20 ; Ezekiel 11:5,13) In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2:5,9)
catholic*, (Mark 16:15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:19-22)
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins**. (Ephesians 4:5; Acts 2:38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)
AMEN. (Psalm 106:48)

Notes
* The word "catholic" (literally, "complete," "universal," or "according to the whole") refers to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ and not necessarily or exclusively to any particular visible denomination, institution, or doctrine.

** May be interpreted as baptism is a matter of obedience and not a requirement for salvation or as a regenerating ordinance.

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[Randy777]

Except they are three persons, which does not look like what you are trying to say. Am I wrong? Three persons, of the same substance, equally God.

Jesus I consider a person. (own mind, will and spirit)
The Father I consider a person (Own mind, will and Spirit)
I do not consider the Spirit of God as a person as the mind and will would be the Father. As in Spirit of God. In other words the Spirit of our heavenly Father. Not a creature but Gods own Spirit. Divine and eternal as it is the Fathers being. Jesus spoke of that Spirit as another. The Father does not. Matt 10:20
Baptized or anointed by the Spirit of the One who sent Him.
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,

The testimony of the Son that the Father is His God
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

The testimony of the Father that He is Jesus's God and that HE set Jesus above all.
You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.

The testimony of the head of the body of Christ
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

The testimony of Paul
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

The testimony of Jude
To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

From the will of another - with the firstborn God gave the name mighty God
Col 1:19

Jesus inherited that name from God - Jesus is all that the Father is
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.


Paul in regard to the Son who was as in Hebrews "through whom also He made the universe"
Through Him and for Him all things were made.

I believe everything that is written of Jesus including Jesus's own testimony.
Your problem isn't with me but with Him and He uses truth.
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me

The Father only true God...

His God

He lives by the Father

Heaven and earth may move at the command of the Son but He abides in the framework of His God and Fathers will.

Sit at my right hand until...
It is my Fathers will that I raise them up on the last day.
He has sent me...
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.

I can pass this test -therefore I am in the faith Paul spoke of.
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?

Gifted and by the will of another and the other is defining Jesus's being as in HIS God
Col 1:19

 

[The Liturgist]

Jesus I consider a person. (own mind, will and spirit)
The Father I consider a person (Own mind, will and Spirit)
I do not consider the Spirit of God as a person as the mind and will would be the Father. As in Spirit of God. In other words the Spirit of our heavenly Father. Not a creature but Gods own Spirit. Divine and eternal as it is the Fathers being. Jesus spoke of that Spirit as another. The Father does not. Matt 10:20
Baptized or anointed by the Spirit of the One who sent Him.
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,

The testimony of the Son that the Father is His God
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

The testimony of the Father that He is Jesus's God and that HE set Jesus above all.
You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.

The testimony of the head of the body of Christ
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

The testimony of Paul
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

The testimony of Jude
To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

From the will of another - with the firstborn God gave the name mighty God
Col 1:19

Jesus inherited that name from God - Jesus is all that the Father is
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.


Paul in regard to the Son who was as in Hebrews "through whom also He made the universe"
Through Him and for Him all things were made.

I believe everything that is written of Jesus including Jesus's own testimony.
Your problem isn't with me but with Him and He uses truth.
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me

The Father only true God...

His God

He lives by the Father

Heaven and earth may move at the command of the Son but He abides in the framework of His God and Fathers will.

Sit at my right hand until...
It is my Fathers will that I raise them up on the last day.
He has sent me...
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.

I can pass this test -therefore I am in the faith Paul spoke of.
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?

Gifted and by the will of another and the other is defining Jesus's being as in HIS God
Col 1:19

Can you please read and go through the Creed like I asked?

 

[disciple Clint]

Jesus I consider a person. (own mind, will and spirit)
The Father I consider a person (Own mind, will and Spirit)
I do not consider the Spirit of God as a person as the mind and will would be the Father. As in Spirit of God. In other words the Spirit of our heavenly Father. Not a creature but Gods own Spirit. Divine and eternal as it is the Fathers being. Jesus spoke of that Spirit as another. The Father does not. Matt 10:20
Baptized or anointed by the Spirit of the One who sent Him.
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,

The testimony of the Son that the Father is His God
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

The testimony of the Father that He is Jesus's God and that HE set Jesus above all.
You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.

The testimony of the head of the body of Christ
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

The testimony of Paul
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

The testimony of Jude
To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

From the will of another - with the firstborn God gave the name mighty God
Col 1:19

Jesus inherited that name from God - Jesus is all that the Father is
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.


Paul in regard to the Son who was as in Hebrews "through whom also He made the universe"
Through Him and for Him all things were made.

I believe everything that is written of Jesus including Jesus's own testimony.
Your problem isn't with me but with Him and He uses truth.
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me

The Father only true God...

His God

He lives by the Father

Heaven and earth may move at the command of the Son but He abides in the framework of His God and Fathers will.

Sit at my right hand until...
It is my Fathers will that I raise them up on the last day.
He has sent me...
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.

I can pass this test -therefore I am in the faith Paul spoke of.
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?

Gifted and by the will of another and the other is defining Jesus's being as in HIS God
Col 1:19

Well you theology is not only in error but it is also not in keeping with the standards of this website, You accepted an agreement as part of your membership here, you agreed to accept the Trinity as defined the the creeds, Your theology does not accept the Trinity as defined in the creeds. Now that is up to the Mods to deal with, my question is do you want me to help you accept the Trinity as defined by the creeds? Because if you do I am more that willing to provide the information and help you to understand why it is correct.

 

[Randy777]

Well you theology is not only in error but it is also not in keeping with the standards of this website, You accepted an agreement as part of your membership here, you agreed to accept the Trinity as defined the the creeds, Your theology does not accept the Trinity as defined in the creeds. Now that is up to the Mods to deal with, my question is do you want me to help you accept the Trinity as defined by the creeds? Because if you do I am more that willing to provide the information and help you to understand why it is correct.

This is and will remain my creed.
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

You think I don't seek from the source?
If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you

Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.

If you can't accept His words then you can't accept mine as my understanding about who He is was cemented in me from above.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

 

[Randy777]

Well you theology is not only in error but it is also not in keeping with the standards of this website, You accepted an agreement as part of your membership here, you agreed to accept the Trinity as defined the the creeds, Your theology does not accept the Trinity as defined in the creeds. Now that is up to the Mods to deal with, my question is do you want me to help you accept the Trinity as defined by the creeds? Because if you do I am more that willing to provide the information and help you to understand why it is correct.

I do see this Spirit as Divine and eternal but not as a person. Not God the Spirit but the Spirit of God. And as Jesus stated the Father is the only true God. Matt 10:20


So he said to me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says the Lord Almighty.

The Fathers promise - In the last days I will pour out MY SPIRIT...

You do believe God the Father has His own Spirit don't you? Why would His own Spirit be seen as a separate person of the Godhead? How are you stating the difference between the Spirit of the Father and what you state God the Spirit? That Spirit doesn't speak on His own but only what He hears? That Spirit intercedes for us according to the will of God. To me the mind of the Spirit who the Spirit searches and knows those thoughts is the Father as its His being and also would but Christ as the fullness was gifted as part of His being and He has a place on His Fathers throne.

Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place. A large crowd followed him, and he healed all who were ill. 16 He warned them not to tell others about him. 17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah:

18 “Here is my servant whom I have chosen,
the one I love, in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him,
and he will proclaim justice to the nations.
19 He will not quarrel or cry out;
no one will hear his voice in the streets.
20 A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out,
till he has brought justice through to victory.
21 In his name the nations will put their hope.”

If the Father calls that Spirit His own again and again please explain my error.

The Father sent Jesus not God the Spirit and He anointed Jesus by His Spirit
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,

To me a person would be defined as one who has their own Spirit, mind and will.
The Father qualifies, the Son qualifies, The Spirit does not meet that criteria.

My spirit knows my mind and acts according to my will. It is not under me or a separate person it is my being.

For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

And in regard to Christ this ,(Col 1:19), from the will of another and was gifted and the other is defining Jesus's being. The only other at that point in History before the world began was the Father. The very one Jesus calls the only true God and His God. It is the Father Deity in fullness by His will that dwells in Jesus. In that gifting Jesus is all that the Father is and one with the Father.

He doesn't support your creed and that's why I went to Him for understanding. Your foundation is mystery. Mine is the NT and cemented in me from above.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

 

[disciple Clint]

I do see this Spirit as Divine and eternal but not as a person. Not God the Spirit but the Spirit of God. And as Jesus stated the Father is the only true God. Matt 10:20


So he said to me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says the Lord Almighty.

The Fathers promise - In the last days I will pour out MY SPIRIT...

You do believe God the Father has His own Spirit don't you? Why would His own Spirit be seen as a separate person of the Godhead? How are you stating the difference between the Spirit of the Father and what you state God the Spirit? That Spirit doesn't speak on His own but only what He hears? That Spirit intercedes for us according to the will of God. To me the mind of the Spirit who the Spirit searches and knows those thoughts is the Father as its His being and also would but Christ as the fullness was gifted as part of His being and He has a place on His Fathers throne.

Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place. A large crowd followed him, and he healed all who were ill. 16 He warned them not to tell others about him. 17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah:

18 “Here is my servant whom I have chosen,
the one I love, in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him,
and he will proclaim justice to the nations.
19 He will not quarrel or cry out;
no one will hear his voice in the streets.
20 A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out,
till he has brought justice through to victory.
21 In his name the nations will put their hope.”

If the Father calls that Spirit His own again and again please explain my error.

The Father sent Jesus not God the Spirit and He anointed Jesus by His Spirit
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,

To me a person would be defined as one who has their own Spirit, mind and will.
The Father qualifies, the Son qualifies, The Spirit does not meet that criteria.

My spirit knows my mind and acts according to my will. It is not under me or a separate person it is my being.

For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

And in regard to Christ this ,(Col 1:19), from the will of another and was gifted and the other is defining Jesus's being. The only other at that point in History before the world began was the Father. The very one Jesus calls the only true God and His God. It is the Father Deity in fullness by His will that dwells in Jesus. In that gifting Jesus is all that the Father is and one with the Father.

He doesn't support your creed and that's why I went to Him for understanding. Your foundation is mystery. Mine is the NT and cemented in me from above.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

Everything you are saying was considered by the Church Fathers when they came up with the creeds that have existed since 325 AD, it has been reviewed and argued since then but after all that it remains, consider if you will that there is a compelling reason for it standing the test of time.

 

[disciple Clint]

I do see this Spirit as Divine and eternal but not as a person. Not God the Spirit but the Spirit of God. And as Jesus stated the Father is the only true God. Matt 10:20


So he said to me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says the Lord Almighty.

The Fathers promise - In the last days I will pour out MY SPIRIT...

You do believe God the Father has His own Spirit don't you? Why would His own Spirit be seen as a separate person of the Godhead? How are you stating the difference between the Spirit of the Father and what you state God the Spirit? That Spirit doesn't speak on His own but only what He hears? That Spirit intercedes for us according to the will of God. To me the mind of the Spirit who the Spirit searches and knows those thoughts is the Father as its His being and also would but Christ as the fullness was gifted as part of His being and He has a place on His Fathers throne.

Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place. A large crowd followed him, and he healed all who were ill. 16 He warned them not to tell others about him. 17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah:

18 “Here is my servant whom I have chosen,
the one I love, in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him,
and he will proclaim justice to the nations.
19 He will not quarrel or cry out;
no one will hear his voice in the streets.
20 A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out,
till he has brought justice through to victory.
21 In his name the nations will put their hope.”

If the Father calls that Spirit His own again and again please explain my error.

The Father sent Jesus not God the Spirit and He anointed Jesus by His Spirit
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,

To me a person would be defined as one who has their own Spirit, mind and will.
The Father qualifies, the Son qualifies, The Spirit does not meet that criteria.

My spirit knows my mind and acts according to my will. It is not under me or a separate person it is my being.

For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

And in regard to Christ this ,(Col 1:19), from the will of another and was gifted and the other is defining Jesus's being. The only other at that point in History before the world began was the Father. The very one Jesus calls the only true God and His God. It is the Father Deity in fullness by His will that dwells in Jesus. In that gifting Jesus is all that the Father is and one with the Father.

He doesn't support your creed and that's why I went to Him for understanding. Your foundation is mystery. Mine is the NT and cemented in me from above.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

If you want to keep digging a larger hole and making it more obvious that you are in violation of the rules of this forum be my guest but if you think you are in anyway convincing me that the creeds are incorrect you are wasting your time.

 

[Randy777]

Everything you are saying was considered by the Church Fathers when they came up with the creeds that have existed since 325 AD, it has been reviewed and argued since then but after all that it remains, consider if you will that there is a compelling reason for it standing the test of time.

Because those who can answer such questions were driven out when their answers weren't liked.