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lol

this house is NOT SAFE

and it seems one cannot change a thread title once begun

"Left Behind but Paul's Horse will get me there by the third coming"
Yeh. Others have found that out to their dismay. Don't give it too much thought; just go ahead and present your thoughts anyway.
I think it is time for this thread to have a revival :angel:

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Full preterism
Full preterism differs from partial preterism in that full preterists believe that the destruction of Jerusalem fulfilled all eschatological or "end times" events, including the resurrection of the dead and Jesus' Second Coming, or Parousia, and the Final Judgment.[40][page needed] Other names of full preterism include:

  • preterism (because the term itself means "past")
  • consistent preterism
  • true preterism
  • hyper-preterism (a pejorative term used by opponents of preterists)
  • pantelism. (The term "pantelism" comes from two Greek roots: παν (pan), "everything", and τελ- (tel-), referring to completion).
  • Covenant Eschatology
  • Fulfilled Eschatology[41]
Full preterists argue that a literal reading of Matthew 16:28 (where Jesus tells the disciples that some of them will not taste death until they see him coming in his kingdom)[42] places the second coming in the first century.
This precludes a physical second coming of Christ. Instead, the second coming is symbolic of a "judgment" against Jerusalem, said to have taken place with the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in AD 70.[43]
For this reason, some people[which?] also call full preterism "the AD 70 Doctrine."[44]
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Detractors of full preterism often refer to the school as hyper-preterism.[45] Many[quantify] evangelicals regard full preterism as outside of Christian orthodoxy.
 
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Is there anyway we can make this thread a sticky so those who are interested in this view can find the topic easier? Thank you.
 
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Full preterism is a false doctrine contrary to Scripture.
Thank you for sharing your opinion that Full preterists should not feel safe in the Full Preterist safe house.
 
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i have heard that full preterism is compatible with amillinialism.

I don't see how that's possible.
That depends on where the parousia is shown in Revelation.

Check out this thread and hopefully bump it up ehehe

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...sia-of-matt-24-showing-in-revelation.7431980/
Where is the Parousia of Matt 24 showing in Revelation? [Poll thread]

Question.
Where is the Parousia spoken of by Jesus in Matt 24 showing in Revelation? Thank you in advance for your votes and responses.

Matthew 24:3 Of sitting yet of Him upon the Mount of the Olives toward-came to Him the Disciples according to own saying "be telling to us when? shall these-things be and what? the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952> and the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age"
 
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LOL! What in the world is "Parousia"?
It is the transliterated greek word for advent, 2nd coming, etc.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3952&t=KJV

3952. parousia par-oo-see'-ah from the present participle of 3918; a being near, i.e. advent (often, return; specially, of Christ to punish Jerusalem, or finally the wicked); (by implication) physically, aspect:--coming, presence.
Strong's Number G3952 matches the Greek παρουσία (parousia), which occurs 24 times in 24 verses

Occurs only 4 times in Gospels, all in Matt 24

parousiaV <3952> Mentioned 6 times. Matt 24:3; Phil 1:26; 2 Thess 2:1,8; James 5:7; 2 Peter 3:4

Parousia <3952> Mentioned 15 times. Matt 24:27, 37, 39; 1 Corin 15:23, 16:17; 2 Corin 7:6,7, 10:10; Phil 2:12; 1 Thess 2:19, 3:13, 5:23; 2 Thess 2:9; James 5:8, 1 John 2:28

parousian <3952> Mentioned 3 Times 1 thess 4:15; 2 Peter 1:16; 2 Peter 3:12
 
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It is the transliterated greek word for advent, 2nd coming, etc.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3952&t=KJV

3952. parousia par-oo-see'-ah from the present participle of 3918; a being near, i.e. advent (often, return; specially, of Christ to punish Jerusalem, or finally the wicked); (by implication) physically, aspect:--coming, presence.
Strong's Number G3952 matches the Greek παρουσία (parousia), which occurs 24 times in 24 verses

Occurs only 4 times in Gospels, all in Matt 24

parousiaV <3952> Mentioned 6 times. Matt 24:3; Phil 1:26; 2 Thess 2:1,8; James 5:7; 2 Peter 3:4

Parousia <3952> Mentioned 15 times. Matt 24:27, 37, 39; 1 Corin 15:23, 16:17; 2 Corin 7:6,7, 10:10; Phil 2:12; 1 Thess 2:19, 3:13, 5:23; 2 Thess 2:9; James 5:8, 1 John 2:28

parousian <3952> Mentioned 3 Times 1 thess 4:15; 2 Peter 1:16; 2 Peter 3:12

I don't digest words like "advent" and "parousia", i just think of it as the 2nd coming of Christ.

His 1st coming was as a baby in a manger.
 
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I have been labeled a preterist by cf because I say the second coming was in 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, and Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow. And he sent his messengers with a trumpet and gathered the elect of all the Church together, to Nicea.
And I say to that - POPPYCOCK!

Isn't that the view of the Christadelphians? [I debated with them on a forum back in 2006]
I found this post of yours on CF:

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...reat-did-not-ride-on-the-white-horse.2231060/
interpreter said:
Tha fact remains that Constantine rode a white horse, and in Rome's official processions, parades, etc. he rode in a chariot pullded by white horses. And he conquered all the known world for Jesus and His Church (after being commanded to by Jesus in a dream). There is no one else that fits the facts (of Rev. 6:1-2).

Barry
 
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i have heard that full preterism is compatible with amillinialism.

I don't see how that's possible.
26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
 
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Wow.

I started this thread in 2013.

At that time, I was interested in hearing about Full Preterism, I was open to it.

Now, I have just started another thread in this subforum (which used to be UDD); in that thread I reject Full Preterism.

I can do Partial Preterism, I can do Amillennialism, but someone posted a video by Don Preston, a FP that I had read a book by. He can be convincing, but I think he is wrong.

What a journey through the past re-reading this whole thread has been.
 
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At that time, I was interested in hearing about Full Preterism, I was open to it.
Now, I have just started another thread in this subforum (which used to be UDD); in that thread I reject Full Preterism.
I can do Partial Preterism, I can do Amillennialism, but someone posted a video by Don Preston, a FP that I had read a book by. He can be convincing, but I think he is wrong.
What a journey through the past re-reading this whole thread has been.
Both sound good to me.
The full preterists must be hiding in the closet.......
 
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It was 2013 that I started this thread -- i just corrected the post where I typo'ed that it was 2003.

Anyway, someone had posted a Don Preston video that they said looked convincing to him -- I had read a Don Preston book (he's full pret) and agreed that it was convincing about its main point -- that Revelation dealt with destruction of Temple in 70 A.D.; but that it was not "convincing of Full Preterism" as a whole.

For a long time I was under the impression that Full Preterism could not be discussed ANYWHERE on CF -- that is still true in End Times but not Controversial Theology

I now flee to the Amill Safe House
 
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It was 2013 that I started this thread -- i just corrected the post where I typo'ed that it was 2003.

Anyway, someone had posted a Don Preston video that they said looked convincing to him -- I had read a Don Preston book (he's full pret) and agreed that it was convincing about its main point -- that Revelation dealt with destruction of Temple in 70 A.D.; but that it was not "convincing of Full Preterism" as a whole.

For a long time I was under the impression that Full Preterism could not be discussed ANYWHERE on CF -- that is still true in End Times but not Controversial Theology

I now flee to the Amill Safe House



Jn.17:3 (K.J.V.) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.




glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.




Rev.21:22 (NAS) I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.



for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.



The Lamb is the lamp.



Rev.22:3(N.A.S) There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it,(her)* and His bond-servants will serve Him;

4 they will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.

5 And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.


No need of the light of the Lamb.


the Lord God will illumine them.


glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.



Acts 2:32 (KJV) This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.



Acts13:32 (YLT) And we to you do proclaim good news — that the promise made unto the fathers,

33 God hath in full completed this to us their children, having raised up Jesus, as also in the second Psalm it hath been written, My Son thou art — I to-day have begotten thee.



2Cor.1:19 (NAS) For the Son of God, Christ Jesus, who was preached among you by us—by me and Silvanus and Timothy—was not yes and no, but is yes in Him.

20For as many as are the promises of God, in Him they are yes; therefore also through Him is our Amen to the glory of God through us.


The promises have been fulfilled.



*will be in it,(her)*.......Tree of Life.
 
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