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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by DennisTate, Oct 17, 2017.

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  1. he-man

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    Oh? I thought everyone knew that if you looked at God you would die instantly. Not even David has gone to heaven!
    Acts of the Apostles 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
    Acts of the Apostles 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
    The vision of the 70 elders Exodus 24:10 And they saw the God of Israel who is the Angel that spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai, as Stephen says, and the Lord that was among the angels there, who afterwards became incarnate, and having done his work on earth, ascended on high, The pure blue of the heaven above them lent its influence to help the inner sense to realize the vision which no mortal eye could behold.
    John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
    1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
    1 Timothy 6:16 but should anyone venture to look on it, his whole frame would be dissolved." In such inconceivable splendour is the Divine Majesty revealed to the inhabitants of the celestial world, where he is said to "dwell in the light which no man can approach unto" . By the "face of God," therefore, we are to understand that light inaccessible before which angels may stand, but which would be so insufferable to mortal eyes, that no man could see it and live.
    Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
    John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
     
  2. DennisTate

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    duplicate post.......
     
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    True........ but the word man refers to a human being......
    stuck here in four dimensional space - time........
    there is a part of each human being that exists before we were born and exists on after we die.......
    that part of us can go up through higher and higher invisible dimensions of space - time... just do a search for the 1943 near death experience of Dr. George Ritchie to read more about this.

    In my opiinion... this explains so many scriptures that I stumbled over while I still believed in the false "soul sleep" doctrine.


    Dr. George Ritchie's Near-Death Experience

    .... it is relevant.... that even in what may be seven dimensional space - time... Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is still invisible.... to people who are in what could well be one part of paradise / heaven..... but not the highest heaven........


     
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  4. he-man

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    Sorry but Jesus was a human and he didn't pre-exist and we didn't either. Hebrews 2:16; Hebrews 2:9
     
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    Sorry but Jesus was just a man and did not pre-exist and neither did we. Hebew 2:16 for verily he took not on him the nature of Angels but took on him the seed of Abraham
     
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    On the other hand.... there are a number of scriptures that can get us going on a fascinating train of thought.... and research........


    Rom 8:29

    For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

    Rom 11:2

    God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?

    Rev 13:8

    and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
     
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    There is a lot of merit to this idea at least from a number of angles.........
    but there is a theory that each and every human soul receives a spark..... from one of the Elohim... who spoke in Genesis 1:

    Gen 1:26


    What exactly is that spark from one of the Elohim?

    Is it the Elohim part of the human soul that goes through a first trimester abortion?
     
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    This is a good summary......

     
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    Good points..... and all of this comes back to the verses on pre-destination or pre-existence of the human spirit or soul before our birth as a human.......... because before our birth our soul..... could meet with G-d............. but once we are in this human form we cannot...... which is why meetings with G-d take place in the out of the body state as alluded to by the Apostle Paul in II Corinthians 12:2-4.
     
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    I heard this particular Christian pastor publicly admit that she believed Colton Burpo herself.
     
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    Colton did great at the box office!

    Low-Budget Religious Movie ‘Heaven Is For Real’ Crushed It At The Box Office

    The success of his book and movie remind me of this prediction:

     
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    This is exactly what I think as well........

    Here are some of Colton's direct statements from "Heaven is For Real" the Special Movie Edition:

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    My first encounter with a near death experience [NDE] was in 1970. I was attending a military advance course. Everyone in the course had at least one tour in Vietnam. One of the officers told us about his NDE after being seriously wounded in Vietnam. I was very skeptical then and for many years afterward.
    .....Fast forward to 2009. I was scheduled for a simple 45 minute laparoscopic hernia repair. There were complications it turned into a 5 hour open surgery. I had afib, acute kidney failure, sepsis [major bacterial contamination] and ilieus [bowel blockage]. After that I am no longer skeptical of NDE accounts.
    .....I have seen nothing in the book or the movie which contradicts scripture.
     
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    Exactly!

    That book contains some of the most powerful evidence for the veracity of both the Christian and Jewish scriptures that I have ever read!
     
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    This ability to command the spirit of a child...... to go back into their body......
    could sure come in handy if we are ever on the scene of an accident..............

     
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    This video clarifies that that the young boy Alex Malarkey...... who recanted his NDE account....... is not Colton Burpo. The Alex Malarkey case is an entirely near death experience from Colton Burpo's.

    (Personally...... I believe the mother put pressure on Alex Malarkey to recant ....... and she seems to have used pastors who knew the Soul Sleep doctrine well to influence that young man. It seems to me like she and those pastors got him to think that his NDE account could not have been real due to it seeming to contradict their understanding of the Bible).



    Here is the other case:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Came_Back_from_Heaven
     
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    All good points........ but these verses still cannot be denied......

    II Corinthians 12:2-4:
     
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    He was in a trance: I knew a man in Christ about fourteen years ago,.... Which is to be understood of himself, as appears from 2 Corinthians 12:7,.

    John is said to be "in the spirit", Revelation 1:10, that is, in an ecstasy; and so here this man was in the Spirit of Christ, and transported by him to see visions, and have revelations; or rather it intends a spiritual being in Christ, union to him, the effect of which is communion with him.
    Dr. Lightfoot puts the conversion of the apostle in the year 34, the rapture of him into the third heaven, in the year 43, at the time of the famine in the reign of Claudius, Acts of the Apostles 11:28, when he was in a trance at Jerusalem, Acts of the Apostles 22:17, and the writing of this epistle in the year 57. [GILL]

    The reason why Paul did not speak of this directly as a vision which he had himself seen was probably that he was accused of boasting, and he had admitted that it did not become him to glory. [BARNES]
    I knew a man in Christ - I knew a Christian, or a Christian man; for to such alone God now revealed himself, for vision and prophecy had been shut up from the Jews. [CLARKE]
     
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