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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by DennisTate, Oct 17, 2017.

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  1. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Also, Scripture says that we will meet the Lord in the air. Then Jesus will return at some point after this upon the Earth from out of the clouds (and every eye shall see Him).

    Yet, Colton's story says something different.
     
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  3. RaymondG

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    Why does one side have to be right and the other wrong? Why cant you both be wrong and God be right? I see the spirit of the pharisee among us. One side say that Jesus will come on a rainbow horse...The other side said it will be a white horse. But what if he comes on a donkey instead? Wont we debate him and call him a liar just like the pharisee did?

    He will come in a manner which we think not, at a time which we think not. Not a good idea to Tell Jesus that you have to come exactly how i believe you should...else we may crucify him just like the religious of old.
     
  4. DennisTate

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    But there are some stories that are far, far, far more unusual than what Colton was shown.


    Ezekiel 10:14


    And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.

    And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar.

    And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them.

    When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also: for the spirit of the living creature was in them.

    Then the glory of the LORD departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims.

    And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD'S house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.
     
  5. DennisTate

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    You are correct that we should be very, very, very careful to not nail down how the grand finale works out........ even Messiah Yeshua - Jesus seemed to leave some room open for variation.

    Matthew 26:39

    And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cuppass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."


    Even before the final Elijah comes along...... .(or near the same time).... there could be a human Christian political leader in the spirit of Cyrus. Isaiah chapters 42 - 46 implies that and a man from Uganda named Eporu Ronald Alfred wrote a brilliant article on that that I did quote into a discussion somewhere here.


    But since Isaiah 45:4,5 says that this person will not know the Lord....... he will probably be rejected as well.

    Do you believe a massive Holy Spirit tsunami is coming?
     
  6. DennisTate

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    Exactly..... .since Messiah Yeshua - Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father..... .how could Gabriel sitting at his left hand be a problem.............????????

    Exactly......... i think
    you were inspired and guided to post this question to reply number one hundred!

    Then again........ do you actually have a problem with this..... and did I take the meaning of your question in the wrong way? I assumed by asking that question......"How is this a problem?" meant that you, like me, were not offended by Gabriel sitting at his left hand?
     
  7. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Asking a question from your proponent's response does not mean I agree with the question asked. The answer to the question should have made that clear to you that I was NOT in agreement with you. I am asking a question briefly in how you or others who are in favor of NDE's would ask such a question and then giving you an answer to that question (that would refute such false thinking). In other words, I am solving a problem with an answer to a question that you would hypothetically ask in that situation.

    For example: Rick (who is skinny) can ask the question to a fat person: "Have you ever struggled so as to lose weight?" This does not mean that Rick needs to lose weight by asking such a question.

    Anyways, my answer was showing you that Gabriel CANNOT be at the left hand of God because to sit next to God shows that you have the same power and authority.

    "God raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places… . He put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.” (Ephesians 1:20–23).
     
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  8. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I did a deep study for a while in what makes a good script for a film and I know what sounds believable and what does not sound believable. A my little pony rainbow horse does not sound believable compared to odd looking angels that God designed. One is unbelievable because it is hokey and cheesy and a clear rip off from secular TV; And the other is simply something we are not used to seeing. Angels with halos is what we see in movies and seems more fictional than what Scripture says about such beings.

    It's like a person who makes an independent film and thinks it's awesome even though everyone else sees that is it is low budget looking and cheesy and the script and acting is just plain awful.
     
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  9. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Because faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God and not false visions that came long after. Colton's story is nowhere near the level of Scripture. It is false because it seeks to glorify angels and not God. This should raise alarm bells for you because Satan seeks to be like the Most High God.
     
  10. DennisTate

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    Thank you for commenting and clarifying your earlier statements that I had misunderstood.

    I guess I may be naive but I really was impressed by both the book as well as the movie but frankly..... I am also especially impressed with all of the published near death experiences that I have read so far by children.

    There is just something so simple and sincere about them. Cecil is only 11 when he has his NDE:

    Near-Death Experiences of Children


     
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    From 1990 - 1995 when I first began to research near death experience accounts I was often asking myself questions much like this....... so I do somewhat understand where you are coming from....... even though I am in a very, very different place these days.
     
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    Thank you for your clarification....... but I personally have no problem whatsoever with Gabriel sitting on the left hand of the Ancient of Days the Father...... at least some of the time...... Colton seeing Gabriel there during his NDE would not necessarily mean that Gabriel was there all the time...........

    Messiah Yeshua - Jesus stated that His Bride was better off..... if He left them.... and sent the Comforter...... the Holy Spirit....... could it be that the Holy Spirit was seated at the left hand of the Ancient of Days the FAther until Pentecost Acts chapter 2??????

    I don't know...... but if so.......
    then maybe the Holy Spirit wanted Gabriel to keep the Ancient of Days company while She went to war....... to set things up for the kingdom of her son....... (there is a school of thought that the Holy Spirit could be the Divine Feminine / God the Mother).... .and I am not smart enough to rule out that theory........ it makes sense to me.
     
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    I tend to believe in these things. One thing I did not like though, was when Colton was maybe 8 or 9 and he was talking about it, I felt like he was checking off a list of items. I felt like the experience had been turned into something it was not. It was like the story was interpreted for an audience, and I doubt the spin his dad gave on it was quite what happened. I don't think it was deliberately repackaged, but it was a tiny kid's story, not something to convert people.
     
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    Good point.......
    but maybe Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is resorting to more drastic measures at this time due to the seriousness of our situation.

    Is this analysis of the probable long term effects of climate change logical?
     
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    This is a good video on the basics of what the Bible says about heaven.

     
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    Wow... 37, 471, 119 views so far!

     
  18. Der Alter

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    To answer your last comment first. Yeah, right, I can see how a 3 1/2 year old boy could be Satan.
    As for Gabriel [Heb. man of God] sitting at God's left hand I don't see a problem because that position is certainly reserved for someone and I don't know if it is Gabriel or not. Neither do any of the nay sayers here. But lets just keep on trying to demonize a 3 1/2 year old boy.

    Matthew 20:23 Jesus said to them, "You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father."
    Seems to me that every "scriptural" objection which has been posted has been refuted.
     
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    I have wondered that myself before Brother. If the Holy Spirit is the feminine personality of God. It would explain why that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable if the Holy Spirit is His Wife. I also feel as if it is none of our business, the answer to this question. So I don't think about it very long...
     
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  20. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    We are told to test the spirits to see whether they are of God or not.
    I would rather be more cautious than accepting of everyone who had a vision these days.
    My trust is in God's Word and not in what mere men say.

    Anyways, May God bless everyone here;
    And may you please be well.
     
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