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Forum Replacement and Closure of GA

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by arborvita, Oct 24, 2008.

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  1. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    If Christians are leaving because GA is being reorganized into cyberspace, and not because we (and our Saviour) were called everything but what we are, I say "goodbye". (Besides, I have a feeling they'll be back.) :)
     
  2. Minty

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    I have read the whole thread, Bombila, and I think that Arborvita was just trying to keep things cool...as you know it doesn't take much for some threads to quickly get heated, especially when they are about changes at CF :)

    I fully agree with what you said about CF losing members of all faiths, and it saddens me, it really does, people like yourself should be made welcome here, not be made to feel like outsiders.

    I, for one, am heartbroken over the departure of more than one valuable member here, regardless of their faith, it matters not to me...I consider everyone at CF to be worthy of my respect and they should be welcome to voice their concerns and opinions. :hug:
     
  3. GreenMunchkin

    GreenMunchkin Likes things. And stuff. But mostly things. Supporter

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    On this particular issue, whether it's here or not makes no difference, so my question remains: why would anyone be bothered by Christians believing Christianity to be beautiful?
    I see. Would you remove his freedom to do so? I hold free speech dear, and am relieved that he has the freedom to approach you, just as am relieved you have the freedom to tell him to shut up.

    But the picture am building is you're angry about how Christianity is perpetuated/"forced" upon you in real life, and you vent your anger about it here; if you have an impact on people's faith as by product, so much the better. Is that about right?

    If so, I understand to an extent. I wouldn't want to live in a world where I perceived atheism or another faith were being forced upon me. If there are multiple members who use it similarly, it goes some way to explaining why GA is quite as angry and hi-octane as it is. Factor in the Christians who respond with the flesh as opposed to temperance and love, and GA is a big ole mess, and it's not doing any good to anyone - either Christian or non-.
    The logic doesn't fly, really. But, am really grateful that you're so open about wishing to see deconversions. I don't think many people would be so honest about it.
    Am not the boss of you n all that. If that's how you roll, it's your choice :hug: But at some point it'd be worthwhile acknowledging that by attempting to deconvert people, you've become as the people you're so angry at; the people who think Christianity is so wonderful and try to convert you. So GA is a mire of people trying to convert and deconvert people, getting increasingly embroiled in the ugliness, becoming increasingly desensitized to it and eventually adding to it.

    Ultimately, if you have a desire to see people deconverted, that's your right. But CF isn't obliged to provide a place for you to work it. Looking at it objectively, that's fair enough, isn't it? <Staff edit>
     
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  4. arborvita

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    Thank You for getting to this before I could. :) :thumbsup:
     
  5. Tenebrae

    Tenebrae A follower of The Way

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    That was a quick demodding

    Another good mod bites the dust:sigh:
     
  6. Minty

    Minty S.O.P.H.I.E

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    Anytime, Brother :hug:
    Agreed, Tenebrae :(
     
  7. Crazy Liz

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    "No debating allowed" had pretty much been defined at CF to mean one can't ask any probing or challenging follow-up questions.

    "No apologetics allowed?" :confused: What does that mean? Christians can't give the reasons why they believe or defend the faith there?

    Sounds like a pretty useless forum.
     
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  8. Crazy Liz

    Crazy Liz Well-Known Member

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    How about rewriting these sentences so they don't contradict each other?
     
  9. suzybeezy

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    Since the site was created, its focus was to establish the largest Christian message board community in the world. The forum's motto was "Uniting All Christians As One Body". Forums placed limits on the users who can post on them, many of the forums were only open to Christians (as defined by the Nicene Creed). CF seperated forums into two completely seperate sections - Christian and non-Christian forums. People tend to forget that when the forums were seperate, when there were more restrictions, we had the highest traffic numbers. It was only after the reforms of July 7th, that our numbers began to slip. After a few short months the site was sold to LeeD who returned the site's name to Christian Forums and refocused its vision more in line with the original vision of the site.
     
  10. Crazy Liz

    Crazy Liz Well-Known Member

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    Christians are leaving because, as Bombila said, we are being treated like 5-year-olds. Closing GA is just another in a long string of unwise moves by management that are driving members away.
     
  11. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Greetings. There were many times when I felt there were 5 yr olds on that board. I usually just popped in once in awhile to give some Scripture then retreated back to the GT board, though between those 2 boards, I have never really seen much difference in the debating tactics used. :wave:
     
  12. faster_jackrabbit

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    There's nothing wrong with you believing it. Going on and on about it to someone else is just annoying. Like any other salesman. All of them think their product is the greatest thing ever.

    And in a debate about christianity, it doesn't matter how beautiful you think it is. You have to show it actually exists first. Fantasia was beautiful too, but it is nothing more than sights and sounds in a movie theater. When the projector is not running, it doesn't exist.
    I have never said anything about prohibiting christians from evangelizing. I merely implore them to police themselves by understanding that not everyone is interested, and some of us have bad experiences with christianity. I personally consider it to have destroyed my childhood. Let the other person ask, and then babble about it.
    Changing the behavior is the goal. Full deconversion is not necessary for that. On the other hand, I do not consider deconversion to be a bad thing. If it happens, I think the person is better off.
    Perhaps. It should be noted that any anger from atheists is in reaction. If not for the things I listed, I would not pay any attention to christianity at all. I didn't for about 40 years, not until the political activism started.
    What is wrong with it? I don't want to get rid of christianity, just its power over me. How can decreasing that power by removing votes not help?
    I didn't quite say that. I said they are of benefit to me. If people will learn to stop dominating society just because they can, deconversion is not necessary.

    Besides, it seems to me that conversion/deconversion attempts are inherent in arguments about the validity of christianity. Why get into a debate unless you are trying to get your viewpoint across? Outside of debate class, do people present viewpoints they don't actually believe? So if you get your viewpoint across successfully, how does that not result in conversion/deconversion?
    It's not quite that equal. They do more than try to convert me. They try to restrict my behavior with legislation. In contrast, I don't want to restrict them from practicing their religion or anything else they want to do. Just the things that have a detrimental effect on me.
    Again, apologetics is a christian thing. It is supposed to have a benefit for christians, otherwise why would it exist? It is actually the christians who are using it incorrectly when they preach and try to convert, because it is intended for testing their own faith. What I do falls perfectly well into the realm of apologetics, no matter what my motivation.

    You either have a apologetics forum or you don't. That's up to you.
     
  13. rmw8855

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    In my opinion, we are treated how we act. If all of us would take responsibility for our own posts and think before we post, all of these rules etc. would not be necessary.

    Adults should be aware of how their words affect others and use enough self control to post appropriately. Flaming others, belittling their beliefs (regardless of what those beliefs are), etc. are never acceptable. Since treating us like reasonable people who can act like adults didn't work, the site is forced to make changes to solve a problem that never should have occured in the first place.
     
  14. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Greetings! I noticed some atheists are putting up links to sites for Apologetics. I doubt I will be going to any of them as I really like debating/discussing Scriptures with others Christians.......Peace

    http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7301729

    Alternative Apologetics Websites
     
  15. kiwimac

    kiwimac Bishop of the See of Aotearoa ROCCNZ;Theologian Supporter

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    LeeD is not returning this site to it's original vision. Erwin's vision was a place where people could actually talk and debate among other things. Leed and the advisors, many of whom I foolishly believed to be friends, are set on making this one big US-Conservative Christian hug.

    So I guess I'll pop in from time to time but basically I'm gone as well.

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  16. Tenebrae

    Tenebrae A follower of The Way

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    The fact remains, this site cant even manage inreach effectively. I know of one case where a christian poster made blatant suicidal posts, and it took the staff over 2 weeks to notice that something was wrong. I guess its a good thing that member wasnt relying on this site for support.

    Where two or three are gathered, and the black sheep of the family lies dying in the back room while the nice christians fail to notice the blood seeping under the door.
     
  17. drstevej

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    LeeD has returned the site much closer to the original vision than the 7-7-7 approach Erwin instituted and Lee has stated what he intends the vision to be. It is to be expected that the owner have the freedom to shape the vision and not be bound to the past.

    There is plenty of room to talk and debate consistent with the site's vision. Hopefully, the new path will avoid much of the acrimony of the past. And I admit that I was often front and center in the adversarial nature of the site.

    Hopefully you will drop in from time to time, Kiwi. Godspeed on whichever path you choose.

    RD, pastor and theologian

    former moderator, former senior moderator, former Admin, former super admin, former ambassador, former Protestant affairs director, twice banned, founder of the repaholics sub-forum, banned and finally returned to participate in the community within the rules and vision of the ceo.

    PS _ My thanks to Lee, the advisors and staff. Your job I do not envy, yet I appreciate it. Drop by the rep forum and we'll make ya see stars!
     
  18. scraparcs

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    You know, even many non-Christians would be happy to go with this. It's something that allows serious give-and-take in religious discussion, at least.

    Many non-Christians will be off to sites that are more strongly non-Christian than CF.

    This needs to be emphasized over and over again.
     
  19. Criada

    Criada Well-Known Member Supporter

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    That was inexcusable, and I hope and pray that it will never happen again. :hug:
     
  20. Nilla

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    Let's face it...CF will never be a perfect place for everyone. Why? Because we are different and we all have different needs. Yes I understand that you that have posted a lot in GA are upset and hurt. But why not give this a chance and not jump to conclusions that this will be bad and management is doing a bad job.

    There's an old saying Don't judge any man until you have walked two moons in his moccasins.

    Please give this a chance...that's all I'm saying.
     
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