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Forum Replacement and Closure of GA

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by arborvita, Oct 24, 2008.

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  1. variant

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    That’s the real problem here isn't it?

    That the ideas of some aren't all that well suited for an open debate.

    Best to limit contact with unbelievers?
     
  2. katautumn

    katautumn Wandering, not lost.

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    I'm just curious as at to what lengths LeeD would go to in order to stifle open discussion amongst a diverse group of people. It seems he has made lots of decisions lately to completely silence peer to peer discussion. Shutting down GA and turning it into open season on non-theists with legitimate questions is one way Lee has eliminated "uncomfortable topics" being discussed in the open. The first was when Questions About CF was closed for open peer to peer discussion on policy and decisions that affect the entire membership.

    I figure the next forum to go by the wayside will be NCR, then E&M.
     
  3. Criada

    Criada Well-Known Member Supporter

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    No, I think that the main difference between Questions for Non-Christians and this new forum is that discussion of the replies and development of the ideas discussed will be encouraged rather than shut down.
     
  4. Criada

    Criada Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I am not sure, but I'll find out for you. If not, you can save them before the forum closes.
     
  5. Criada

    Criada Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I agree, there has been some horrible behaviour by both Christians and non-Christians. And I hope that this new start will put an end to that, and we will be able to develop a respectful dialogue.

    I no not think any more forums will be closing.. I hope and pray that they won't, but I am not in a position to give categorical assurances on that.

    And, for what it is worth, you are a lot more than tolerated here, you are liked and respected, and I for one would be very sorry to see you go. :hug:
     
  6. ebia

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    We still haven't got the message that if you want to engage in mission you need to meet people in formats that suit them, not ones that suit us; to listen to them, not tell them what to do?
     
  7. Angel4Truth

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    Posted right on the new forum : "Exploring Christianity A Forum for Non Christians to explore Christianity with Christians. No Debating or Apologetics Allowed."

    Debate will still not be allowed and it will still not be an apologetic forum.
     
  8. Sitswithamouse

    Sitswithamouse I look Time Lord

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    I for one think this is a bad idea.
    I'm with others on this issue that other forums have been closed and wonder which ones will go next.

    In the words of Paul Harris - -
    Segregation never brought anyone anything except trouble.

    These decisions just make christianity and christians look like frightened little children who cannot handle their faith being tested.

    It makes me sad.
     
  9. Criada

    Criada Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I hope this will allow any discussion to develop fairly freely.
     
  10. 3sigma

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    I don’t share your hope. The banner at the top of QNC reads: “This forum is NOT for Apologetics or debates.” whereas the banner at the top of the new forum reads: “No Debating or Apologetics Allowed.” If anything, the new forum warning seems stronger. Time will tell.
     
  11. TheBear

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    Erwin really screwed up when he sold this site...
     
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  12. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    sold out........traitor.....Repent!....:angel:

    John 14:30 "Not still much I shall be talking with ye, for is coming, the of the world, this, ruler/Chief/arcwn <758>, and in Me not he is having anything.

    Mark 14:43 And immediately, while He was still speaking, Judas, one of the twelve, with a great multitude with swords and clubs, is coming from the Chief-Priests/arcierewn <749> and the Scribes and the Elders.
     
  13. Criada

    Criada Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Indeed it will. I know that apologetics as such is not allowed, but there is a fine line between discussion and debate, and I think that as long as things remain civil, honest questioning is fine, and I hope that it will be a venue where Christians are willing to recognise and discuss the hard questions, rather than evading them in favour of the 'smart' or, frankly, trite replies which have often characterised GA.
     
  14. Bombila

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    Again, from the Exploring Christianity FSGs:

    Debate
    This forum is for discussion of questions with non-Christians. There are some areas of theology in which different Christians may believe differently.
    In these cases, we would ask Christians to refrain from debating the matter here. You may point out that there is a differing viewpoint, but please do not use this forum to debate with other Christians. If Christians wish to discuss various doctrines with other Christians, they should do so in the
    Theology forums.

    IOW, complete confusion may reign in these so-called discussions, where a 'seeker' asking a question might get half a dozen mutually exclusive answers from various 'kinds' of Christians, but those Christians will not be able to express why they think their take on it is preferable to another, as that will only lead to 'debate'.
     
  15. losthope

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    A few years ago I was searching for some forums, essentially for Christians but where contributions from non-Christians were welcomed. The majority of the forums for Christians did not welcome contributions from non-Christians. Christian Forums was an exception. In particular, the &#8220;General Apologetics&#8221; forum was valuable to me, someone who has been seeking for the truth for a very long time.

    It is sad that the General Apologetics forum is being closed because of a desire for Christians to be looking inwards. It sounds good to say that you are focussing inward on the body of Christ, but Christ also told his followers to go out into the world to make disciples of all men. There are many forums in CF that are for Christians only, in which Christians can do all of the things that you say are important. In other words, any Christian who wants to avoid on-line contact with non-Christians can do so by only visiting the Christian-only forums.

    If there have been some contributors to CF who have been causing strife and infighting, or endlessly debating against Christianity then maybe your rules should be modified or enforced more strictly to control this. Instead, it seems that all of us are being punished for the sins of a few. However, I realise that the concept of one person having to suffer for the sins of others is an aspect of Christianity, although it is not one that I myself subscribe to.

    The new Exploring Christianity forum will be able to cover a small part of what was possible in General Apologetics. However, as far as I am aware there will be nowhere in CF for the following:

    1. Christians to ask questions of non-Christians, or to challenge non-Christians.
    2. Non-Christians to offer support to one another. It is unfortunate but many people have been seriously damaged by Christianity or by Christians.
    3. Non-Christians to offer support to Christians. Yes, it does happen. For example a person who is going through a crisis of faith can sometimes get better help from a non-Christian &#8211; or a former Christian &#8211; than from a Christian, and be brought back into faith.
    4. Non-Christians to point out the errors of other non-Christians.
    5. Christians or non-Christians to ask non-Christians for information. Information which could help someone to find faith or to have their faith strengthened.

    As a seeker after truth, I have received considerable help from Christians through General Apologetics.

    It is sad that the effectiveness of CF in reaching non-Christians and potentially leading them to Christ is to be reduced simply because of a dislike for debate.
     
  16. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Greetings. But did it help convert ya to JESUS :blush:
     
  17. KCDAD

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    What is it with the threats? You want to close it, close it. You want to ban someone, ban someone. You want to seek the truth, seek the truth. You have the power!
     
  18. [serious]

    [serious] 'As we treat the least of our brothers...' RIP GA Supporter

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    I can't help but think NCR is next on the block. Possibly C&E.
     
  19. Minty

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    I don't think there are threats, just asking everyone to please be calm :hug:
    I know what you mean...I would hate for that to happen, there are lots of wonderful Non-Christians here at CF, and to lose them would be awful :(
     
  20. Bombila

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    Everyone was calm, as you would know if you read the preceding posts. Several people asked why the admonition was made, as none of us could figure out what arborvita was talking about.

    CF is losing Christians as fast as it is losing non-Christians, AFAICS. Too many changes, too much division, too much treating adult Christians as if they were five years old.
     
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