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Forum Replacement and Closure of GA

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by arborvita, Oct 24, 2008.

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  1. arborvita

    arborvita Retired. Supporter

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    This announcement is to make everyone aware of Exploring Chirstianity in Outreach that will replace Questions By Non Christiains.

    The FSG's are below
    Also as noted in the title of this announcment General Apologetics will be closed as of Saturday, October 25 around 10 PM CST.


    Here is a statement from Lee
    http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=47885292&postcount=68
    This announcment is going to be open and there will be some admins to be here to help facilitate discussion. Please post within the rules so the thread doesn't get heated and or closed.

    If you have a complaint go to the Suggestion and Complaint Box.


    God Bless,

    Matt
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  2. Radagast

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    That's http://christianforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1037

    I presume the theme is exploring Christianity by genuinely interested non-Christians?

    And I assume that exploring Christianity by Christians is best done in the edification forums?
     
  3. Criada

    Criada Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Yes, the forum is primarily for dialogue between non-Christians and Christians, in order to give a venue to explore complex issues and difficult questions.

    There are a number areas where Christians can discuss their faith, in edification and in the congregational forums. :)
     
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    [serious] 'As we treat the least of our brothers...' RIP GA Supporter

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    EDIT: nevermind
     
  5. synger

    synger Confessional Liturgical Lutheran Supporter

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    There are many places on CF for Christians to explore their faith.

    Congregational forums provide a place for like-minded believers to fellowship and learn

    Theology provides forums for discussing the minutiae of various doctrines

    Edification provides forums to share information and experience about some of the spiritual disciplines common to Christians (praise, prayer, fasting, devotionals, etc.)
     
  6. Bombila

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    Quote: ....Those who want to endlessly debate against Christianity or promote other faiths than Christianity might find other boards more to their liking as CF probably won't be much "fun" for you any more. I hope this helps some to see the direction of where CF is headed. - Lee Dodd

    The direction is plain, and the misinterpretation of the motives of most non-Christians is equally plain. This was insulting when first posted and is still insulting to those of us with an actual interest in debate and an actual interest in theism, in particular Christian theism, which deeply affects our daily lives in ways too numerous to name, both subtly and overtly.
     
  7. Lisa0315

    Lisa0315 Respect Catholics and the Mother Church!

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    The time has come for me to go.

    I came here a wide-eyed baby Christian. I leave a bitter but wiser one. You have no clue what it means to be a Christian. Closing down GA does not make the questions go away. It just means that you no longer have to answer them. It means that a stronger and more loving Christian will have to break through the bitterness and ill-treatment before questions can even be answered.

    Please ban me now. I am done with this place. I will keep my ear to the ground and if this place is sold, I will return. Lee D is disobeying the command of Christ to go into the world and spread the gospel. Jesus never said create hidey-holes and cross the street in case a sinner crosses your path.

    Lisa
     
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  8. synger

    synger Confessional Liturgical Lutheran Supporter

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    I read it somewhat differently, that if I have an actual interest in learning about Christian theism, then I would not be among the subset of "those who want to endlessly debate against Christianity or promote other faiths". I can see your interpretation -- that all non-Christians should go to other boards -- but I don't think that was Lee's intention. My understanding is that those who are interested in learning about Christianity are very welcome to ask questions and engage in discussion in Exploring Christianity. And everyone, Christian or not, is still very welcome to participate in the 250+ open forums on the site.
     
  9. Radagast

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  10. ravenscape

    ravenscape Free Crazy Liz

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    This is my last CF post. I have some regrets, but they're mostly old and dusty at this point. No need to ban me unless you feel you must. My self-restraint was forged and tempered in the fires of the now defunct Discuss Rules forum.

    kthxbai

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  11. synger

    synger Confessional Liturgical Lutheran Supporter

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    I'm sorry that you feel you must leave for good, Lisa. I have greatly appreciated your contributions to the many threads you've participated in.

    Personally, I think that this change will be more likely to bring answers, not less. In open debate in GA, the actual question easily could get lost in the back and forth between believers and non-believers. I know I often lost track of the OP in the pages-long threads in GA, with the vitriol slung from all sides. With this new structure, I sincerely hope that the discussions will be more closely framed by the actual original post, and thus I anticipate that people will actually get their questions answered more thoroughly than they have in GA.
     
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    [serious] 'As we treat the least of our brothers...' RIP GA Supporter

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    You will be missed. Given the recent changes (not just this, but a variety of public and nonpublic decisions) I will be stepping down from staff altogether While this is Lee's site, I do not feel I can endorse the new direction he is taking it.
     
  13. Bombila

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    Lee interprets debate by non-Christians which is not immediately viewable as 'pro-Christian' as trolling or mocking (quote: 'fun'): I think that is quite obvious, and it is insulting.

    The vast majority of those '250+ open forums on the site' are poorly attended because very few people are interested in them, as you no doubt know, or they are forums strictly to do with people seeking help with various life problems. C&E remains a forum of interest to me; I have friends there, and that includes the regular crowd of creationists, as I believe AVET1611 would testify. How long before Lee decides there is too much questioning of Christianity going on there, and closes that forum as well, seeing as there is already a CO origins forum?
     
  14. Tenebrae

    Tenebrae A follower of The Way

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    I wont be financially supporting this site any more.
    And in all likely hood, I will be leaving this site for good.

    This is a bad decision. But then again as the leadership of this site doesnt give a rats whether they are putting stumbling blocks infont of christians, why would i expect them to care about the non christians.

    In reach is a joke, simple as that
     
  15. Criada

    Criada Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I don't think that the idea here is that everyone has to be 'pro-Christian', any discussion is welcome, otherwise the forum would be pointless. The type of posts which I think Lee is referring to are those deliberately mocking without being willing to engage in any actual discussion.
     
  16. CaDan

    CaDan I remember orange CF Supporter

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    No peace among the nations without peace among the religions.
    No peace among the religions without dialogue among the religions.
    No dialogue among the religions without investigation of the foundation of the religions
    ~Hans Küng

    This has been my signature here, on and off, for about three years.

    I do not believe Escalate Media as the owner of the christianforums.com domain will work to achieve goals with which I agree. I do not believe the Advisors will work to foster any sort of ecumenical dialogue. This is not the Christian Forums I joined many years ago.

    CaDan is gone. rigorist continues.

    s/ CaDan
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  17. Bombila

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    You may think that; from this side of the great divide, that is not what it looks like.

    Have you read the FSGs for the new forum, Exploring Christianity? Let me quote:

    "We recognize that real seekers are looking for real answers, and the first reply given may be insufficient to achieve this. It is acceptable for the Original Poster (OP) to probe the answers given, and to continue the discussion on lines which help to clarify their understanding of the Christian faith. If another non-Christian seeker wishes to ask questions about the Christian faith, they may start their own thread. No more than one non-Christian (the OP) may post in a thread."

    In other words, there is no opportunity for non-Christians to support each other, to help a 'seeker' formulate difficult questions, to bring up points the OP may not have thought about. Not all non-Christians are as verbally able as others, and theism is a difficult subject to discuss even with the best of intentions. It is a format I will not participate in, and I seriously doubt there will be much traffic there.

    This is a shutting down of debate, a shutting out of non-Christians, all that will be left soon is a mirror, where Christians argue against their own reflections.

    I am sorry.
     
  18. Radagast

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    I don't think that's a great change from the old QNC rules, actually.
     
  19. Bombila

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    They were bad rules then, they are still bad rules, IMO.
     
  20. Lord Emsworth

    Lord Emsworth Je ne suis pas une de vos élèves.

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    *Stares at CaDan's avatar*
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    Mhmmm ... That reminds me:

    This is the floorshow, the last ideal
    It's populist, got mass appeal
    The old religion redefined
    For the facile, futile, totally blind

    --- The Sisters of Mercy, Floorshow​

    And all the rest of the lyrics. Nail. Head.
     
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